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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Cracka_X]
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First you spoke about evolution(in a speciation sense), but I guess you're really talking about the evolution of the first proteins or building blocks to life??




I never restricted it to development of species. I don't see at all why the content of what is evolving makes a difference.

Anyway, I don't really care about this topic anymore.

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:
So to what extent am I evolution? Am I within, or without?

I do not understand how the prospect of freedom can arise from a causal principal (evolution)?
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How does evolution relate to human creativity, and what does it mean?
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to no extent - unless you are personally recorded accross a large time scale as fossil residue.
evolution is not causal nor a pricipal, it is a way of seeing relationships accross time between species of life forms, many of which have become extinct before life forms that resembled us roamed the earth.

evolution is one of the creative syntheses of the human mind to understand the world around us.

the pursuit of creative endeavours has been of an adaptive advantage for our kind; we are less specialized than other creatures, so we must be creative with what we have to compete in nature.

David Lynch, on the other had is a great fossil.
what a relief!


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Why is David Lynch a great fossil?
Whatever movie I saw of his I really didn't like.

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Epigallo]
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I like this dude lots
but he is a great fossil because of the imprint he is leaving in everybody's minds
his fame is like the preserved bones of dinosaurs in rock.
and I called him a relief because he stands out from the rest of the rock as if in relief.
it's a bit twisted but it suits him.


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: redgreenvines]
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haha
now can you explain why everyone here likes using puns so much?

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:
I do not understand how the prospect of freedom can arise from a causal principal (evolution)?


Causal principal?  Like, deterministic?  I dont think the mutations that facilitate evolution are deterministic.  The mutations are random, even if the selection mechanism is somewhat deterministic. 

So if you started a second universe in the exact same manner as this, then it wouldnt be identical to this one.  Life on earth could be different, or even not exist.

Back on topic... Systems like our body and mind are just very hard to understand, I dont think anybody has enough evidence and insight to claim that free will exists or not.  And I see no reason why the theory of evolution and natural selection would entail that it doesnt...  Understanding 1 particle or an infinite amount of particles is easier than understanding the the moderate amount in the mind oddly enough.  But I know philosophers claim to have alot of understanding about it, I just dont believe them usually.  :tongue:

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Epigallo]
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Anyway, I don't really care about this topic anymore.


hahaha
I'll take that into account.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Patisotagami]
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smmu said:
Coming from a long background in Biology, ecology, and evolution, I am saying this as fact and not really something that can be debated. Though if there are any Creationists on this board, I apologize for undermining your belief system.


First, your distinction between evolution acting on a population vs a smaller group is just semantics.

Second, you didn't address creationism at all, so I don't know why you think this requires an apology.  Where we came from has nothing to do with evolution unless you want to expand that word to include non living things which I don't think you were doing.

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
the selection due to melanonin via skin cancers would not set in early enough to affect reproduction




why not?

I think the average age of onset is around middle age right now.  Given the presumably higher-exposures during most of the evolutionary period of relevance I would think it could be relevant.  And though you didn't say it, it seems that you are implying if a trait doesn't stop the individual from reproducing that it can't be relevant, which is obviously wrong.  It is the species that matters not the individual.

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Nexion]
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Nexion said:
bradley said:
Do you think evolution is blind?


Show me it's eyes...


We can not show you its eyes, however we can show you its arse.

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evolution is not a process, it is a summary of history.
history is not a process, it is all the stories all together.
it never even got into a single book.
the editors have always excluded the unsavory bits.



aka the boring bits...

But never fear, natural selection shall ensure this train of thought's prompt extinction.

yeah, it's 3:45am, I needed a laugh, what are you gonna do?


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
redgreenvines said:
the selection due to melanonin via skin cancers would not set in early enough to affect reproduction




why not?

I think the average age of onset is around middle age right now.  Given the presumably higher-exposures during most of the evolutionary period of relevance I would think it could be relevant.  And though you didn't say it, it seems that you are implying if a trait doesn't stop the individual from reproducing that it can't be relevant, which is obviously wrong.  It is the species that matters not the individual.


true the individuals will reproduce, get sick and die
their children will reproduce get sick and die
same as now, just no internet and health care or environmental crises

in my opinion, the enclaves of look-alikes in regions of the world are largely due to RACIAL CLEANSING which is a flaw in mentation and social behavior that we still suffer. (gang related violence and bullying is also related to this low brow social issue)


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Tribes fighting for land and resources so they can procreate. In our minds most still are being chased by tigers, just blindly trying to survive in the way they always have. Not realizing it no longer works.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Icelander]
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on the contrary. It does work. And it works with out drastic concequences. If people could wake up and realzie that they do not need money to live. That they still can grow all there food, and trade with others. There was nothing flawed about this. We are constantly fed flawed lies about progression. Ie. medical, and industrial advances. Keeping people alive longer, is to many important, but can we really keep sustaing a rapidly growing population? Answer, probably not. The quality of life, in the  wilderness is probably a great deal higher, if you get rid of the idea that luxeries, define quality of life. They don't have to worry about the same shit, someone living in a civilized nation or state has to.


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: flip3084]
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I'm sorry but you totally didn't get what I was saying.

I'm replying in agreement with RGV's statement about racial cleansing.

I was in no way addressing what you are talking about.:shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: Icelander]
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Oh, no worries then. I have been randomly looking for things to respond to, cause the subject is way to big to try and do a sweeping attack of.. Peace


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: flip3084]
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If people could wake up and realzie that they do not need money to live. That they still can grow all there food, and trade with others.


So you grow all your own food or you are just waiting for everyone else to?


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Im waiting like the first person at the buffet line." you guys go first, this was my idea":rabble:


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: flip3084]
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So life would be cool if 'others woke up', but not you. Do you realize how pathetic an outlook this is?


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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just mildly average pathetic
not like darwin award pathetic


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Re: Do you think evolution is blind? [Re: redgreenvines]
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not like darwin award pathetic


I already gave that award out in one of my ratings.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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