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Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11
    #909705 - 09/26/02 02:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Five hours after the 9/11 attacks, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld is already given information that three of the names of the airplane passenger manifests were suspected al-Qaeda operatives. The notes he composes at the time are leaked nearly a year later. He writes he wants the "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time. Not only OBL. [Osama bin Laden] Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not." [CBS, 9/4/02] So clearly the plan to defeat Saddam Hussein's Iraq is planned almost instantly despite a complete lack of evidence showing Iraqi involvement. How can any later evidence pointing to Iraq complicity in 9/11 be trusted?


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Rono]
    #909730 - 09/26/02 02:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If there is a link between Iraqui wealth and Al Queda's recourses, and if we knew such a link existed prior to 9/11, then your point is stupid.


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #909735 - 09/26/02 02:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The point is there is no link... hence the part that says " despite a complete lack of evidence showing Iraqi involvement "


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Edited by Rono (09/26/02 02:20 PM)


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Rono]
    #909763 - 09/26/02 02:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

According to whom?


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #909782 - 09/26/02 02:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Let me try to put it this way...name a significant country that DOESN'T have links to terrorism..or even Al Queda? I doubt you can... The Bush administration is grasping at straws to gain public support for a war on Iraq.


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Rono]
    #910001 - 09/26/02 03:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Bush dept has got to step things up now that more and more people are starting to speak out publicly in oposition.

Its all Ive heard the past two days is the arguments between parties and other politicians for and against...


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Rono]
    #910675 - 09/26/02 10:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Well, duh... OF COURSE there were plans for a US-engineered regime change in Iraq prior to September 11, 2001. That's what they DO in the military... contingency planning. There are literally hundreds of pre-planned scenarios tucked away in the Pentagon dealing with everyone from Angola to Zaire.

I can guarantee you that such plans re Iraq existed during the eight years Clinton was in power as well. I think it almost a certainty that some of Clinton's advisors suggested to him more than once -- when Hussein was making life difficult for UNSCOM inspectors and resolution after resolution was being signed in the UN condemning Iraq's recalcitrance while Clinton was battling scandal after scandal at home -- that it might be a good idea to depose Hussein, and had detailed plans on hand (most probably several different scenarios) on how best to accomplish it.

As for there being no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda, I think it naive in the extreme to believe there is none, since it seems Al Qaeda has cells in almost every Islamic nation on earth, as well as the support (albeit usually clandestine) of many Islamic governments. Given the nature of Iraq's internal security apparatus, if there are members of Al Qaeda in Iraq, they can only remain there at Hussein's sufferance.

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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Phred]
    #911002 - 09/27/02 12:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So are you saying you agree with the post?    Or would you prefer that we argue about something? :smirk:


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Rono]
    #911058 - 09/27/02 12:31 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Not agreeing with the post at all. You said:

So clearly the plan to defeat Saddam Hussein's Iraq is planned almost instantly despite a complete lack of evidence showing Iraqi involvement.

It wasn't planned "almost instantly" after 9/11 at all. It had been planned out years before, and could have been initiated at any time. Doubtless there had been people in the administration who had been urging action against Iraq for years, but Clinton, and (at first) Dubya declined to act. Rumsfeld probably felt that with the 9/11 attacks, Dubya may have been willing to change his mind, and take action against Iraq immediately. Obviously, Dubya didn't take that advice, at least not till almost a year after the attacks had occurred.

Note that to date, NO ONE in the administration has accused Iraq of complicity in the 9/11 attacks.

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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Phred]
    #911075 - 09/27/02 12:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I couldn't agree more...So why are you trying to argue? We both agree that the government has plans to attack any country at any given time, but all they need is an excuse. (meaning an "instant opportunity") Does that pretty much sum what you're saying? Or would you like to beat this dead horse a little more? You do enjoy your antagonism don't you?


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Re: Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 [Re: Rono]
    #911128 - 09/27/02 01:00 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sigh. Your post title says "Plans for attack began on 9/11". They didn't. Rumsfeld ASKED if it was "good enough to hit S.H. at the same time". Obviously, it was decided that it WASN'T. Therefore, the decision to attack Iraq was not made on 9/11.

You go on to say: So clearly the plan to defeat Saddam Hussein's Iraq is planned almost instantly despite a complete lack of evidence showing Iraqi involvement.

That assumption is wrong on three levels:

1) The actual attack "plan" has been on file for years.
2) The decision to IMPLEMENT the plan is not made on 9/11.
3) The JUSTIFICATION for implementing the plan has nothing to do with 9/11.

Note that 9/11 is NOT being given by anyone in the administration as a justification for action against Iraq.

You do enjoy your antagonism don't you?

Less than you enjoy misinterpreting things.

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