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Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL]
    #910424 - 09/26/02 07:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)


Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties?

The latest news in the America vrs Iraq "war-room" is that there is evidence of a conection between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Here is what ABCNews.com is reporting:

Making the Case
White House Says it Has Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties

W A S H I N G T O N, Sept. 26 ? The United States has long charged Saddam Hussein with supporting terrorism, but the Bush administration is now alleging something new ? what one official called a "current, symbiotic relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda.


President Bush appeared in the Rose Garden today with members of Congress who support him on Iraq and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of essentially the same crime he charged the Taliban with: harboring al Qaeda terrorists.
"The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist organizations. And there are al Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq," he said.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said "Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven opportunities in Iraq, reciprocal nonaggression discussions."

And, he added, al Qaeda is looking for specific assistance from Baghdad.

"We have what we consider to be credible evidence that al Qaeda leaders have sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire weapons of mass destruction capabilities," Rumsfeld said.


A New Scenario

Up until now, the president has described that scenario ? an Iraq-al Qaeda alliance where Baghdad provides biological or chemical weapons to terrorists ? as only a "possibility."

But al Qaeda prisoners are talking, the administration says, and drawing a very different picture.

"In particular some high ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al Qaeda in chemical weapons development. So, yes, there are contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda," said National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

Senior White House officials said the new intelligence information is a few weeks old, and emerged from interrogations of detainees last month. They said the reason they are making it public now is that it took that long to verify it to their satisfaction.

But some public officials are still doubtful.

On Wednesday, Vice President Dick Cheney and CIA director George Tenet briefed a group of senators. Today, one of those who attended said she was surprised by the administration's claims. "Exactly how solid that evidence is, I'm not certain. Some of the interviews come from detainees. And it's a little difficult to draw a pattern from some of the individual interviews that have been done," said Sen. Susan Collins, a Republican from Maine.

No Smoking Gun

A senior intelligence official tells ABCNEWS that there is "no smoking gun ? not even an unfired gun" when it comes to linking Iraq with al Qaeda, even though intelligence officials have been trying to find a strong connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden since Sept. 11.

Even after six months of searching, the CIA could see only contact, not cooperation.

In March 2002, Tenet said of Iraq and al Qaeda: "Their ties may be limited by divergent ideologies, but the two sides mutual antipathies toward the United States and the Saudi royal family suggests that tactical cooperation between them is possible."

At one point the Bush administration argued that Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had met in Prague with an Iraqi intelligence agent. But the administration never found hard evidence ? and dropped the subject.

A Changed Trend

The suggestions of a connection between al Qaeda and Iraq re-emerged strongly this summer, when the administration began speaking publicly about "regime change" in Iraq.

In August, Rumsfeld told reporters: "If you're asking, are there al Qaeda in Iraq, the answer is yes, there are. It's a fact, yes." Intelligence officials do believe there are al Qaeda members in Northern Iraq, where Saddam Hussein is not in control. But Rumsfeld's assertion today that al Qaeda has recently operated in Baghdad is new.

Appearing on Capitol Hill today, Secretary of State Colin Powell said there is no visible link between Iraq and Sept. 11, but said it can't be dismissed.

ABCNEWS' Terry Moran and Martha Raddatz contributed to this report.

This ABCNews report can be found here.


What do people think about this latest news?


Do you believe The White House when it says it has evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties?
YES
NO



I feel this might be a very interesting poll.


Votes accepted from (12/31/69 07:00 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Jammer]
    #910495 - 09/26/02 08:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I havnt read that YET but I need to say this...

Al Qaeda has ties to EVERY country in the world... Cept maybe Australia. Their have been reports of terrorists from all over training or funding or houseing Al Qaeda soldiers since day one... Some of the largerst concentrations are in Europe and Germany but you dont see us going to war with them....

The most well known Al Qeadea link is Saudi Arabia yet were kissing their asses big time, giving them BIG favors for letting us stage our little war from their military bases, many of which we built durring the last war.

Even George Bush has ties to Al Qaeda and many MANY ties financialy with Iraq.

Yah, the aleged Iraq - Al Qaeda ties are propably true but they are nothing to claim that as a reason to attack...


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: GabbaDj]
    #910513 - 09/26/02 08:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

>>>>> President Bush appeared in the Rose Garden today with members of Congress who support him on Iraq and accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein of essentially the same crime he charged the Taliban with: harboring al Qaeda terrorists. <<<<<

Why not, that line worked to overthrow one government, why not another..
Lets not forget that the US used to throw hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of dollars into the Taliban, The Taliban used to be our friends, we liked the Taliban because they kept people from growing heroin and as long as we gave them money we could do whatever we wanted in Afghanistan.

Hell we even knew all along that Osama, mastermind of the WTC bombings years ago and leader of the ruthless terrorist group Al Qaeda, not to mention top of the FBIs 10 most wanted list was protected by the Taliban. Yet we did nothing. We instead trained Taliban soldiers and pumped money into the country which in large part bought weapons and trained Al Qeada soldiers.

The US needs to see its own roll and compare it to Iraq, Ill bet we spent more money and more resources in training the terrorist that were after than Iraq was ever capable of..


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Jammer]
    #910654 - 09/26/02 09:52 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

If you're asking, are there al Qaeda in Iraq, the answer is yes, there are. It's a fact, yes."



Yeah, Al Qaeda is in the US also, is that evidence? I believe that it is very possible that Iraq helps al Qaeda, I just don't trust that our government has the proof that they claim.


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: GabbaDj]
    #910681 - 09/26/02 10:04 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Very good point GabbaDj... I guess I should of worded the poll asking if people believe that the Iraq Goverment was helping al Qaeda...

Also we know that America has recently busted some Al Qaeda cells in America.... I sure hope that this dosent mean that America is planing on attacking it's self!  :smirk: 


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Jammer]
    #911367 - 09/27/02 02:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"But al Qaeda prisoners are talking, the administration says, and drawing a very different picture."

Isn't funny that they started to talk now when the war support is declining.



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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: zeronio]
    #911929 - 09/27/02 11:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

RE: "Isn't funny that they started to talk now when the war support is declining. "

Thats pretty much what I have been saying to my friends recently.... ' something here just dosent seem right!


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Jammer]
    #912157 - 09/27/02 01:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"something here just dosent seem right! "

really.




and all this time i was thinking those dirty rag heads were attacking the Greatest Nation out of jealousy


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Jammer]
    #913158 - 09/27/02 08:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure that al q can be tied to Iraq in the same way it can be tied to extremist muslims in Britain or France or Germany or Canadia, etc.

What I doubt is that SH had any hand in the al Q terrorism of 9-11. And, I doubt the US's ahbility to make such a link, in the open.

Bush's saying what he has said about ties means nothing what so ever until he produces proof. If you believe everything a politician tells you, you are a fool.


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Lallafa]
    #913570 - 09/27/02 11:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

isnt the us tied to al qaeda? didn't bush give the taliban 40 milllion dollars?
doesn't the us have ties to saddam? didn't reagan give him biological weapons during the 80s?


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: 1stimer]
    #914954 - 09/28/02 03:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I think that those days go back to the Reagan era.


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: 1stimer]
    #915338 - 09/28/02 06:43 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yep, the US was sending Saddam as many chemical and biological weapons as he could. They knew he was using them on the Iranians but it didn't matter. Even after Saddam gassed the kurds at Halabja Bush insisted the evidence had been faked and the year after (1989) gave Saddam a billion dollar loan.

According to reports of a Senate Committee in 1994, the United States government allowed firms to export a variety of biological materials to Iraq from 1985 -- if not earlier -- through 1989 pursuant to application and licensing by the Department of Commerce. As documented in Rogue State by author William Blum, the materials included bacillus anthracis which causes of anthrax; clostridium botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin; histoplasma capsulatam, a cause of a disease attacking the lung, brain, spinal cord, and heart; brucella melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs; clostridium perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria which causes systemic illness; clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic chemical; and escherichia coli (E.coli).


Dozens of other pathogenic biological agents were shipped to Iraq during the 1980s. The Senate Report pointed out that "These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction." The committee reported that it learned later "that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program." The report also noted that American exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities and chemical warhead filling equipment. These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Sh'iites since the early 1980s as part of its war with Iran.

Interesting article here:

http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book23Ch.4.html


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Re: Evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties? [POLL] [Re: Xlea321]
    #920402 - 09/30/02 09:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting results in the polling!

- 18 No's to 9 Yes....

We have exactly 2 to 1 here polled that at least dont believe that the Iraq goverment has ties to Al Qaeda..


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