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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Universe Cycling
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Let's assume the universe cycles: it goes from Big Bang to Big Crunch and repeats endlessy.

People who believe this to be so, please explain how it would be possible to arrive at this point in time.


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'd say its possible. We arrive at this point in time exactly the same way we arrived here if there was only one big bang.

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: Epigallo]
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Explain.

How does an infinite amount of time pass?


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I see your point. Logically, there could have been 5 billion universes that expanded and collapsed before ours, but not 10 billion, 100 trillion, 1,000 gazillion ..... (repeat), before ours.

How does an infinite amount of something exist? It doesn't.

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: Epigallo]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Let's assume the universe cycles: it goes from Big Bang to Big Crunch and repeats endlessly.


That's a pretty big assumption.

Since the most recent experimental results show that the expansion is actually speeding up, and not slowing down, it almost disproves the idea of the Big Crunch happening.

Or are you just saying hypothetically?

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: HeavyToilet]
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Let's assume it wasn't hypothetical, and look at the question from that standpoint.

Wait, that's a pretty big assumption. :smirk:

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: Epigallo]
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OK then. Let us suppose that this hypothetical, imaginary universe exists and do it without making assumptions.


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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If time started at a certain point it could still be infinite from then as in never stopping.

In a way you could argue that the universe is infinite because how could it just stop? surely that would be illogical. There has to be something the other side of a wall. Is the idea of nothing not illogical? Even empty space has to have a defined location in space. It has to inhabit.


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: Grapefruit]
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If time started at a certain point it could still be infinite from then as in never stopping.



OK then, with an infinite 'nothing' before the start, how did it get to the start?


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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That does not mean to to say it is not never ending. The universe and time are not the same.


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Edited by Grapefruit (10/03/08 04:50 PM)

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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If time started at a certain point it could still be infinite from then as in never stopping.



OK then, with an infinite 'nothing' before the start, how did it get to the start?


There cannot be an infinite amount of time before time.


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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If time started at a certain point it could still be infinite from then as in never stopping.



OK then, with an infinite 'nothing' before the start, how did it get to the start?


There cannot be an infinite amount of time before time.


I agree.  Time is "something", not nothing.

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Regardless of whether or not the universe "cycles," if you adhere to the theory of relativity, the experience of time in any one of those cycles will be infinite.  Both the departure from and the approach toward the singularity would entail travelling through gravitational fields so intense that time would be infinitely dilated on either end.  Thus, each cycle of the universe would be in essence, its own universe.

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I think that the theories that have come to be accepted in cosmological physics are hardly worth accepting. They are too simple.


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: dirtydirt]
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General relativity and quantum physics are simple?  Your theories must be crazy complex! :crazy2:

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: DieCommie]
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No those are general theories of physics. Im referring specifically to cosmology: the big bang/oscillating universe. Maybe not that it's simple but that science is too quick to accept that the conclusions in this theory are prudent.


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: dirtydirt]
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Thats what cosmology is... its general relativity and quantum physics applied to celestial bodies.

How long do you think they should wait to accept theories that jive with observations?

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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: DieCommie]
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Quick, let me find something on wikipedia to prove you wrong. :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Universe Cycling [Re: DieCommie]
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How long do you think they should wait to accept theories that jive with observations?


At least one full universal cycle.


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