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From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals
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From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals

09/18/2008

A community organization, with longstanding ties to Barack Obama, has, according to numerous reports, repeatedly run afoul of voter registration laws both locally and nationally.




Mr. Obama worked for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now's Project Vote voter-registration campaign in 1992 after graduating from Harvard Law School. He directed a successful voter-registration campaign, credited with electing Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate. Primarily targeting African-Americans, Mr. Obama's efforts added an estimated 125,000 voters to the rolls.

He also participated on a team of attorneys working on behalf of ACORN. They filed a 1995 lawsuit, which required the state of Illinois to implement the federal "motor-voter" bill. He still maintains a relationship with the organization. Mr. Obama's campaign had to file amended federal election reports in August. They paid more than $800,000 to Citizens Services Inc. (CSI), an ACORN subsidiary, to turn out for the campaign during the primaries. However, the campaign listed CSI's activities as polling, advance work and staging major events.

ACORN has a checkered past - and present. It is a grassroots political organization founded by Wade Rathke and George Wiley, both of whom were community organizers for the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO).
That checkered past also has turned up locally.

Philadelphia election officials recently accused ACORN, of filing multiple fraudulent voter registrations during the 2008 Pennsylvania primary. The case has been referred to the U.S. Attorney's office, according to Philadelphia Deputy Election Commissioner Fred Voight.

Delaware County election officials have made similar allegations against the group, and criminal indictments are pending.

This past July 24, Dauphin County detectives offered a $2,000 reward for information about the whereabouts of Luis R. Torres-Serrano, an ACORN worker, who was accused of submitting more than 100 fraudulent voter registrations.
ACORN's legal problems with their voter registration efforts stretch beyond state boundaries.

The Milwaukee district attorney is investigating 39 ACORN employees for criminal violations, including offering gifts to sign up voters and falsifying driver's license numbers, Social Security numbers or other information on voter registration cards.

Five ACORN employees were convicted and imprisoned in Washington state, in 2007, for what was described by Washington's Secretary of State Sam Reed, as, "was the worst case of election fraud in our state's history. It was an outrage."

"(ACORN) Workers ... said they were under pressure from the community-organizing group that hired them to sign up more voters," The Seattle Times reported . "Workers told investigators they went to the Seattle public library and filled out the voter registration forms, by using contrived names, addresses and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book."

Numerous ACORN-related indictments and, or convictions, have been seeded across the country in recent years.
Four part-time ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City, Mo., for voter registration fraud in November 2006. Two Colorado ACORN workers were sentenced to community service, in January 2005, for submitting false voter registrations.

During the 2004 election, ACORN, and its sister group Project Vote, ran a nationwide voter mobilization drive that was rife with allegations of voter fraud. A worker for one ACORN affiliate in Ohio was allegedly given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and voters named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. Four Ohio ACORN employees were indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms.

Messrs. Rathke and Wiley formed ACORN in the early 1970s, expanding their involvement beyond welfare recipients to all issues touching low-income and working-class people. According to Discoverthenetworks.org, they enlisted civil rights workers and trained them in a program at Syracuse University patterned after the Saul Alinsky school of activist tactics in Chicago.



Today, ACORN is the largest community organization of low- and moderate-income people in America, with over 400,000 member families organized into more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in 110 cities across the country.

ACORN founded the Working Families Party in New York in 1998. They endorsed Hillary Clinton for her Senate campaign that year. Canvassers from ACORN and its sister groups launched a statewide voter-mobilization drive that proved influential in Mrs. Clinton's victory.
Yet, opponents say ACORN has violated its own mission not to mention numerous laws meant to protect poor and working class citizens and voters.

The New York Times reported in July 2008 that a whistleblower forced the organization to publicly disclose an embezzlement of almost $1 million in 1999 and 2000, involving Dale Rathke, the brother of the organization's founder Wade Rathke.

Some ACORN executives kept the information from board members and did not tell law enforcement. Meanwhile, Dale Rathke remained on the payroll until June 2008, when disclosure of his theft forced the organization to dismiss him.

"We thought it best at the time to protect the organization, as well as to get the funds back into the organization, to deal with it in-house," said ACORN President Maude Hurd. "It was a judgment call at the time, and looking back, people can agree or disagree with it, but we did what we thought was right."

The Consumers Rights League spokesman Jim Terry said, "ACORN has a long and sordid history of employing convoluted Enron-style accounting to illegally use taxpayer funds for their own political gain. Now it looks like ACORN is using the same type of convoluted accounting scheme for Obama's political gain."

ACORN did not respond to requests for a statement. However, they did refer to a statement by Ms. Hurd, in a Sept. 12 press release, saying, "ACORN has NEVER been indicted for voter fraud, violating elections laws or encouraging ineligible citizens to vote."


http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20128338&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8




Why do lefties complain about republican voter fraud when there are far more example's of voter fraud from the Democrats then the Republicans?


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

Edited by lonestar2004 (09/25/08 05:27 PM)

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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: lonestar2004]
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Please add something to start a discussion about this, or it will be locked.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: lonestar2004]
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"More than a 100" fraudulent registrations out of hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of signups, spanning over the course of a decade.  Notice that nowhere does it say that any of those were malignant.

Sounds like a pretty fucked up lawsuit to me.  Who fucks with voter registration groups when they're just trying to do their jobs legitimately?  That's low


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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ACORN has been caught dozens of times over the years. They are the worst of the worst at election fraud.





Phred


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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Elections Officials Look Into Voter Fraud

Local elections officials are looking into potential election fraud and some of the information is pointing to a Democratic-leaning voter's group.

ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations For Reform Now, has been registering thousands of new voters for this year's election, but in Seminole County, some voter applications are being withheld until it's proven they're legitimate.

Election fraud is a felony, but first it has to be proven and someone has to be charged.

So far, elections officials said they are just beginning to gather clues in this case.

Seminole County's elections supervisor is holding up dozens of voter registration applications because they appear to be fraudulent: wrong addresses, bad signatures and more.

James Stanley of Winter Springs said he was contacted by the elections office, and told his date of birth and Social Security number were wrong on his form.

He never filed this paperwork, and the signature is not his, which makes him worry that he won't get a ballot on Election Day.

"My biggest problem is when I show up to vote I want to make sure that I can cast my vote and the problem that I saw is that someone was questioning my validity to be able to cast that vote," voter James Stanley said.

Many of the applications with suspect information were turned-in by the activist group ACORN.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17541353/detail.html


Acorn is so fucking dirty, do want more links?


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: lonestar2004]
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> Acorn is so fucking dirty, do want more links?

Haven't I heard their name associated with the current financial problems... ?


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Seuss]
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Their name does sound familiar somehow.

I'm ignoring this until I see a conviction though.  People sign the wrong shit all the time, it's the fact of life for the business.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> Acorn is so fucking dirty, do want more links?

Haven't I heard their name associated with the current financial problems... ?




:grin:Thats Right!




Acorn  lobbied for loans and pressured Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to purchase more subprime mortgages, and they were represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama....


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: lonestar2004]
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Ah, I remember now.

So that's where this baseless litigation comes from.  Besides the always nice benefit of fucking over an organization that is trying to get more people to vote than old white men, they want to raise the profile of a group that has mud already thrown on it.  Makes strategic sense.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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It's not baseless at all. ACORN has been caught many, MANY times in the past. They got whacked in the 2004 elections in several different states around the country. They're famous for it. It's what they do.





Phred


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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In recent years, ACORN's voter registration programs have come under investigation in Ohio, Colorado, Missouri and Washington, with some employees convicted of voter fraud.



http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809140383
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ACORN is the nation's largest community organization



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003982533_acorn30m.html?syndication=rss

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Three of seven defendants in the biggest voter-registration fraud scheme in Washington history have pleaded guilty and one has been sentenced, prosecutors said Monday.

The defendants were all temporary employees of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, when they allegedly filled out and submitted more than 1,800 fictitious voter-registration cards during a 2006 registration drive in King and Pierce counties.



http://www.nlpc.org/view.asp?action=viewArticle&aid=2048
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On May 17, Carmen R. Davis became the latest casualty of an ongoing case of election theft on a grand scale.  Davis, 38, a former ACORN worker, pleaded guilty in Kansas City federal court to filing false election paperwork.  She had been among several defendants earlier charged with voter registration fraud and/or identity theft.  Rathke and other ACORN leaders insist that the indictments were part of an organized effort to suppress minority turnout at the polls.  But as Union Corruption Update indicated at length back in January, the evidence is damning:  ACORN activists in the Kansas City and St. Louis areas padded the voter rolls with 35,000 or more fraudulent or questionable registration cards. 




There's your convictions.  That was a quicky search.  First page.
Only a retarded monkey would think that these people are anything but liars and scum.  Ties to Obama?  You bet.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: zappaisgod]
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I've been hearing about this in the news recently. Thanks for all of the info.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ok, wait up a second.  I just did my own quick research and came up with the same information.  Nowhere in there is the organization itself convicted.  All convictions were against individuals, and I see statements from judges clearing the organization of wrongdoing:

According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."  One could argue that ACORN is asking for this by paying workers extra per signature, but it seems like an effective model to me.

Also, keep in mind the sheer scale of this.  They employ thousands upon thousands (upon thousands) of workers, and only a dozen or so have gotten any slack.  If ACORN were a business, I'd say 'them be good numbers.'

ACORN's site is down by the way, so I can't grab more numbers on hirings.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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If the organization gets convicted who goes to jail?  The organ?  Just fucking stop.  ACORN is famous for fomenting registration fraud.  They do it.  They get caught some of the time.  Deal with it.  It's what we like to call reality.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm saying "they" haven't done anything.  People working for em have.  Give me a break, it's a valid point.

1.7 million people registered since 2004 by the way.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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> I'm saying "they" haven't done anything.  People working for em have.  Give me a break, it's a valid point.

Yet when the people working for Cheney went to prison, all the lefties cried foul because the individuals apparently represent the whole.  Double standard.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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Oh, and if you can show me a judges opinion or comment specifically condemning certain practices of the organization itself, I'd be much more inclined to see things from your angle.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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Why do I need a judge to weigh in on anything other than a sentence once a guilty plea is entered?  You asked for something, I got it for you.  There is a historical pattern of fraud from ACORN.  It is a fact.  Get over it.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: zappaisgod]
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I asked you to show the organization is guilty, which you clearly haven't done.


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Re: From Little ACORNs Grow Big Scandals [Re: Ferris]
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Yeah... it's just coincidence that employees of ACORN in states coast to coast, doing the work ACORN hired them to do, all managed to break election laws. Because there's, you know, just so much PROFIT to be made by forging voter registration documents. 

Get real, Sparky.





Phred


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