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 Ellis Dee
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Innvertigo, if a woman has had an abortion and regrets it greatly and is genuinly repentant for it would that make any difference to you? It surely would for me.
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 Re: Abortion.  [Re: Ellis Dee]
#523547 - 01/17/02 01:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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it would be tough because it's against my beliefs. Don't confuse my comments with the hatred towards that person because i don't hate those that have an abortion. I do however hate what they have done and would have to question their belief system. Them being truly sorry is not something that i could ever know and would find myself questioning it everyday. Being truly sorry doesn't hide the fact that what she did was wrong. It would have to greatly depend on the circumstances....but i guess i should never say never.
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 Re: Abortion. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#524255 - 01/18/02 07:51 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Innvertigo, does that spirit of forgiveness apply to all those who commit crimes? or just chicks? If there were a female mass murderer who was repentant and regreted her actions, and you liked her, would you consider dating her? *Just curious since you equate abortion with murder.
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Innvertigo
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Re: Abortion. [Re: PGF]
#524272 - 01/18/02 08:12 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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who said i forgive them? since we're talking about the spirit of forgiveness and all, no i wouldn't consider a mass murderer, no matter how hot or nice they were. It would take an act of God for me to even consider a woman who had an abortion....sheesh am i the only one with standards?
*****Just curious since you equate abortion with murder. ****
I don't equate it..it is murder
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OK, damn it. I was directing that last post to Rail Gun. I have to stop getting you two mixed up. He said that he could be with a female who has had an abortion and was remorseful and regretted the act. ......
"sheesh am i the only one with standards? "
I have very low standards.But, it's ok as long as I hang out with friends with even lower standards.
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Re: Abortion. [Re: PGF]
#524300 - 01/18/02 08:47 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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***OK, damn it. I was directing that last post to Rail Gun. I have to stop getting you two mixed up. ***
LOL..sorry, but now this is beginning to be funny
****I have very low standards.But, it's ok as long as I hang out with friends with even lower standards. ****
HA HA..that's good..does that include Fat chicks?
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no fat chicks....a good buddy of mine has a weird fat chick fetish that only manifests when he drinks...it disturbs me. He's a decent looking guy too......weird.
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Re: Abortion. [Re: PGF]
#524309 - 01/18/02 08:56 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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If a woman gets pregnant and cannont afford or doesnt want the child for whatever reason then what are her options? She can... what? put it up for adoption? yeah right... you know how many of these kids never get adopted, or get adopted by crazy religious people that no one in their right mind would leave their kids to? What I suggest to all these self-rightous pro-life people to do is this... go out and adopt a kid.. show these mothers that the system does work and they dont have to "kill" the child. You may say, well why dont you do that? Because I dont like kids and I dont particuarly care if a mother has an abortion. By the way they arent a human until they are kicking and screaming and in my phone book.
Have a nice day.
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 Re: Abortion. [Re: Nomez]
#524334 - 01/18/02 09:20 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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****If a woman gets pregnant and cannont afford or doesnt want the child for whatever reason then what are her options? She can... what? put it up for adoption? yeah right... you know how many of these kids never get adopted,***
you're mistaken..there is a waiting list for adoptions
****or get adopted by crazy religious people that no one in their right mind would leave their kids to? ****
yeah..that sure is better then death..sheesh
****What I suggest to all these self-rightous pro-life people to do is this... go out and adopt a kid.. show these mothers that the system does work and they dont have to "kill" the child. ****
no we wouldn't want the baby producers to learn responsibility, it's not their fault that their legs are always apart..it's societies fault. I realize the word responsibility isn't in your vocabulary but you might want to look it up.
*****By the way they arent a human until they are kicking and screaming and in my phone book.****
most people aren't in the phone book untill 18 dumbass
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Ya, there's a waiting list for cute widdle pure-bred babies with all their papers and shots. There're hordes of babies on this planet, many of which would've been better off terminated before they got the priveledge of being born to an existance of starvation, disease, filth, near constant pain...
I'm pro-euthansia. (Ever wished you hadn't been born? Ever had a reason to wish that?)
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Re: Abortion. [Re: Ulysees]
#524479 - 01/18/02 11:42 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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well if you kill yourself there will be one less......practice what you preach  j/k
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 Re: Abortion. [Re: PGF]
#524520 - 01/18/02 12:22 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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PGF, it depends on the circumstances. Lets take a girl that was sexually active and got pregnant. Her parents put pressure on her to abort the child. She doesn't want to but gives in to her parents so that she can still have a relationship with them. Then she regrets it and is very repentant for it for the rest of her life.
There are a lot of bad situations that young girls get themselves in to and their parents can pressure them and when they're 14 they're going to do what their parents want. It's tragic really, abortion is always tragic.
To answer your question, it would depend on the circumstances if I would date a girl that has had an abortion. Most likely not, but if she was sorry and really repentant I don't think Ide hold it against her. And no I would not date a serial killer. The difference wouod have to do with societies perceptions in general, although they are both murder.
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There are shitloads of kids out there who need to be adopted.
Adopting a child who's older isn't popular because it's usually a hell of a hard time. Kids who have had several disruptions in care are generally riddled with problems, and have a hard time getting close to people
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Re: Abortion. [Re: Ellis Dee]
#524720 - 01/18/02 03:41 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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And no I would not date a serial killer. The difference wouod have to do with societies perceptions in general, although they are both murder.
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But they are both murderers who are remorseful and repentant. What if it was not a serial killer? What if it was a run of the mill one person murderer?
I understand what you are saying though. Still, both if both are murderers, how can one be less of a murderer and more worthy of forgivenes and your affection?
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Ellis Dee
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 Re: Abortion. [Re: PGF]
#524731 - 01/18/02 03:54 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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PGF,
Perhaps it's because I'de be afraid of being around a person who kills adults, but I wouldn't be afraid of a person that only preys on the helpless. But like I said; it would depend on the circumstances. Everyone deserves forgiveness no matter what they've done. But me getting close to them if not the same as forgiveness. It would depend on the circumstances, how old was the girl when she aborted her kid, did her parents pressure if she was very young, did she realize what she was doing was wrong or did she just think of it the way her parents explained it to her, etcetera. Abortion is tragic and it's consequences in the surviving victims of abortion are also tragic.
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isis
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There is a waiting list for white babies.Not for all the other babies.Just white infants...
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Re: Abortion. [Re: isis]
#525381 - 01/19/02 07:06 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dark babies grow up to go to prison while whitiey babies go to college.
Which one do you want?
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Innvertigo
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Re: Abortion. [Re: isis]
#525428 - 01/19/02 09:17 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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who cares? there are only 10-15% black people in the US There are more white people...don't make this a politically correctness issue. Kinda like that fireman statue..shheesshh
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isis
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I'm just saying there is a waiting list for white babies.The rest sit there waiting,and waiting. Don't make it sound like there is a waiting list for all these kids to be adopted.That is just not true.
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Innvertigo
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Re: Abortion. [Re: isis]
#526181 - 01/20/02 01:01 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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***Don't make it sound like there is a waiting list for all these kids to be adopted***
who cares? whites put up thier babies for adoption more because we make up most of the population..ie: there is a waiting list. why does everything have to be black this white that minority this minority that? In general there is a waiting list.
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