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OfflineFungusBoi
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health consequences
    #840988 - 08/24/02 06:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

one thing i've noticed about the mushroom community is that there's a complete lack of research (caring?) about the health consequences of doing mushrooms. there's millions of articles on the affects of smoking, pcp, coke, whatever, but i really havn't been able to find anything of value on mushrooms. i imagine they can't be to good to the liver, has anyone out there been able to find anything? even erowid doesn't have jack. thanks a bunch girls and guys!


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #841003 - 08/24/02 06:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I do not know shit about research, my kidneys/liver sometimes hurt though after useage, cut my trips down cuz of it. Heart rate goes like a rabbit after any excercise aswell (could be all drugs i`ve had combined)
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Re: health consequences [Re: shroom666]
    #841066 - 08/24/02 07:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Either us shroomerites are in denial, or there really aren't any major health consequences to shroomin.


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Re: health consequences [Re: Poopman]
    #841205 - 08/24/02 08:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think that the reason that this is not talked about as much is as was said above, its just that there aren't many, if any serious, long term health effects from shroom consumption. I mean, many mushrooms are edible and people eat them all the time.
You shoulda done a search. I posted a question about this a few months back, the main reason I was concerned was because of the high levels of bodily discomfort I was feeling while actually on the shrooms, but again I never got any clear cut answers on why this happens.

I agree, it would be great to have clear cut answers on the long and short term health effects of magic mushroom consumption, and what rate of usage does it take to cause these effects (e.g, maybe once a month is fine, but once a week or more could be harmful, etc.)

Here's a link to my original post: Physical effects of shrooms? (Long + short term)


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #841294 - 08/24/02 09:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

there's millions of articles on the affects of smoking, pcp, coke, whatever, but i really havn't been able to find anything of value on mushrooms.



Have you noticed how much the consequences/risks of many drugs are misrepresented and blown out of proportion? If there were any negative affects of mushrooms, however insignificant, you would be well aware of them.
In reply to:

i imagine they can't be to good to the liver



I can understand why you would think that, since just about everything is, but I really don?t think it is true (at least not significantly). However, I can?t pretend to be an expert on this; I really can?t tell you if they are bad on the liver, I just assume that if there was an even remotely serious concern about this, you and I would both already be aware of it.

I think it is also worth pointing out that many of us probably do a lot of things that are far more serious than eating mushrooms in terms of the affects they have on our bodies. I personally don?t do any ?hard? drugs, but I do smoke heavily and drink like a fish. I sure as hell don?t exercise or pay attention to what I eat. All of these things are a lot more legit health concerns than eating mushrooms. If you ever ride in a car, then you are putting yourself in a lot more danger than you are by eating mushrooms or taking a hit of acid. Being worried about eating psilocybe mushrooms is like being one of those people who orders a diet soda with a cheeseburger and fries.

But like I said, this is all opinion and assumption, so I am trying to represent any of what I said as fact.


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Re: health consequences [Re: MechanicalMan]
    #841713 - 08/25/02 06:51 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

My liver is fine. I am anti tylenol too. heh


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #841771 - 08/25/02 08:04 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I know that the LD50 from Cubes,, LD50 is lethal dosage 50% of the time,, Is so high that it would seem that the stomach would hemorrhage from the amount and kill you long before the shrooms did.This is probably why no one worries to much about the risk of doing them. The fact that they are a illegal drug with no pharmaceutical use at all at the moment means that any long term health study depends heavily on antidotal evidence,like the Mexican Indians using them for 2000 or more years with no noted health problems, I agree that more research is needed especially with interactions with other drugs including alcohol. The only reported problems I have found all were due to miss identification of the mushroom species which led to poisoning remember that most of the world will consider the effect we seek from them as poisoned this being why most psychoactive mushrooms are listed as poisonous. IMHO if you don't consume alcohol or mix other drugs with them they are probably one of the safest drugs out there


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Re: health consequences [Re: MechanicalMan]
    #842042 - 08/25/02 12:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i wasn't arguing that other things in life arn't dangerous, driving is certainly more dangerous than most things. but i don't HAVE to shroom, i do have to drive, so there's a definite difference between the benifit and risk ratio between those two activities.

i am a very fit person, so i care about all the health consequences of everything i do. just because you drink to excess and that's probably going to be your worst concern doesn't mean that you should just let all other damaging activities slide, the sum of them could be worse than your one major health problem. i don't eat fries and burgers, and sit on my ass all day, so i actually care about what happens to my body because it's taken a lot of work to get as healthy as i am.

i don't wanna come off as being a jerk, just rebutting what i think is an attitude that's used to rationalize away any consequences that arn't immediatly life threatening.


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #842533 - 08/25/02 06:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The way your liver will fuck up is if you eat poisonous shrooms, which is where this romour started. Some dumb fuck ate some shrooms and they were poisonous and had his lived fucked up. So he said it's bad for your liver. dumb piece of shit.


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #843800 - 08/26/02 09:57 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

do a medline search


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #843911 - 08/26/02 10:53 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

well when you at the magic mushroom you become one.......


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #852476 - 08/30/02 05:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Here some important info from the Peace Patrol post ( i mean IMO off course)


TREATMENT FOR PSILOCYBIAN MUSHROOM POISONING


The major dangers associated with psilocybin poisonings are primarily psychological in nature. Anxiety or panic states ("bad trips"), depressive or paranoid reactions, mood changes, disorientation and an inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy may occur.

Recommended treatment for this type of poisoning should always be primarily supportive. Mycologist Dr. Joseph Ammirati of the University of Washington and his colleagues claim that "no specific treatment can be recommended for psilocybin poisoning in humans". Other doctors have "stress[ed] the importance of measures to reduce absorption of the toxins involved". This involves either, e.g., gastric lavage or emesis Lincoff & Mitchell, 1977; Rumack & Saltzman, 1978; Smith, 1978).

Emesis. 15-30 cc of ipecac syrup followed by large amounts of oral liquids (500 cc).

Supportive treatment: i.e. the "talk-down" technique is the preferred method for handling "bad trips". It involves non-moralizing, comforting, personal support from an experienced individual. This is further aided by limiting external stimulation such as intense light or loud sounds and letting the person lie down and perhaps listen to soft music.

Tranquilizers need only be used in extreme situations and are generally not considered to be necessary. Diazepam, 0.1 mg/kg in children, up to 10 mg in adults, may be used to control seizures.

According to Dr. Rick Strassman of the University of New Mexico, anti-psychotics have gone out of favor for the treatment of `bad trips'. Specifically, medicines with anti-cholinergic side effects, such as chlorpromazine, should not be given as these mushrooms can have marked anti-cholinergic effects of their own.

In 1988, Dr. Jansen noted that cases which present medically fall into several groups:

Those who have taken the drug with little knowledge of hallucinogens and in the absence of sensible persons who can take care of them. These are more likely to be adolescents. They may self-present but are more often brought for medical attention by their parents.

Those who fall as a result of impaired balance or muscle weakness and are knocked out or otherwise injured as a result.

Those who are having a `bad trip'. These may involve acute anxiety and panic, depression, paranoid reactions, disorientation and an inability to distinguish between reality and fantasy.

Cases of idiosyncratic physical reactions such as cyanosis.

Those with recurring phenomena after the mushroom effects should have passed, including prolonged psychosis.

When the history is clear and the signs are suggestive of psilocybian intoxication, it is best not to artificially empty the stomach either by emesis with ipecac or by lavage. Treatment shows that emptying the stomach had no effect on the duration or intensity of the experience once psychological manifestations had properly commenced. Dr. Jansen maintains that unless there is a reason to suspect that a more toxic fungus has been ingested, or if the patient is a young child, induced emesis is not necessary, not helpful and may make the situation much worse if the patient is already aggressive and agitated.

Other doctors have also speculated that a lavage is not merited if psilocybian mushrooms have been positively identified as the source of discomfort. It has also been suggested that "gastric intubation can be difficult in these young patients who are often already distressed and not infrequently aggressive. Furthermore the mushrooms may block the standard lavage tubes [used] for drug overdoses."

The inherent danger from the ingestion of wild mushrooms lies not so much in the consumption of an hallucinogenic variety, but rather in the picking and eating of a toxic species which might resemble an hallucinogenic variety.

Dr. Gast?n Guzm?n (and his colleagues wrote that "field and laboratory studies strongly indicate that psychoactive mushroom use as it normally occurs does not constitute a drug abuse problem or a public health hazard" (Guzm?n et al., 1976). In addition, a recent survey conducted among college students in California, suggests that "the low frequency and few negative effects of [hallucinogenic mushroom] use indicate that abuse does not present a social problem, nor is there evidence for predicting the development of a problem" Thompson et al., 1985).


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Re: health consequences [Re: MechanicalMan]
    #853421 - 08/30/02 03:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

for the record, cubies are nothing compared to a cheeseburger.
dont insult them like that.
-vegan


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Re: health consequences [Re: iam_craig]
    #855974 - 09/01/02 01:06 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, from what I looked up it would seem that shrooms seem to be quite the opposite to what most people would assume, ie: they are amazingly "safe" in comparison with most drugs, they have a higher lethal dose level than T.H.C, and every seems to accept that as a non harmful drug.
Ive herd that noone has ever died from a weed overdose, has any one died from a shroom one (the shrooms, not as a result of trying to fly while on them ect)?
The majority of problems "needing" medical treatment seem to be people who trip too hard and freak themselves out.

Hype and mis info seem to be rampant around this area, even the fda site have nothing really bad to say about them than their effects, but general feeling seems to run flush with the drug wars propaganda.....................

I never could understand america, govenments chosen by the people, that ignore violence on tv, huge porn industries, violent crimes everywhere...... and yet seems pre-occupied with stopping ppl who, if in their own decisions with drugs will only hurt themselves if ne one.
It seems as if perspective has been lost....... the reminants of the propaganda wars are entrenched firmly within the minds of your politicians, so put down those shrooms, go by a gun, hire some porn, get pissed as hell and have flag burning party, as you wouldnt want to break any laws now would you?, no no........ that would just be immoral.
(sorry, im off the topic, but eh)


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Re: health consequences [Re: FungusBoi]
    #856051 - 09/01/02 02:41 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i assure you that they are perfectly safe for your body unless you can't handle an increased heart rate for a while. www.erowid.org read up on their effects


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Re: health consequences [Re: Eightball]
    #860905 - 09/03/02 07:32 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I know, psylos are just as safe as mushrooms you might order on a pizza, just with a little bonus after you eat them. :smile: 


Edited by Amber_Glow (09/03/02 07:34 AM)


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Re: health consequences [Re: MechanicalMan]
    #861748 - 09/03/02 02:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well said MM.  Whats funny about the cheeseburger people is that they'll never admit to getting the diet coke for weightwatching.  They'll say they like the taste.  But I've come to the conclusion that diet soda is an aquired  taste and they've only aquired it because they thought that drinking this shit would make them thin. And so they drank more.  These people are better known as "half steppers".
As far as shrooms go, I'd be more worried about things that can happen to you while you're on them.  I also think there's a thin line between careful and obsessive-compulsive/anal-retentive. 
If some new study came out and told you that shrooms are dain-bramaging, or eating out your liver would you stop eating them?
Enjoy your life :cool:


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