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Organic
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: confuzed]
#5131013 - 01/02/06 12:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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*you're
Way to reply to yourself and null your overwhelming "I know you are but what am I" argument.
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: confuzed]
#5131022 - 01/02/06 12:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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To Confused.
You do not know pot 'causes' schizofrenia if you 'abuse' marijuana, and your hypothesis on how pot grows bad for post people and causes panic attacks is completely illogical - If you are basing this on people you've me, its flawed in the fact that you have only met .0001 percent of pot smokers- if based on research (scientific studies eh?) done, show me, and then show me its sample size.. and then respond to the phrase corrolation is not causation, and try to objectively prove pot is the link to that, if its not just a case of predisposition - Again, completely off base... Do you know how many active, GENIUS's in the work of science, psychology, theology, and other highly active scholarly fields smoke pot and have smoked pot for immense amounts of time? Have you ever been to amsterdam or BC, or actually met an intelligent active long time user of pot? Theres tons of them.. Pot affects people in different ways... In some people, yes, pot gives them panic attacks and causes them to be dull-witted; however, in others, it gives them added energy, added focus, contentness, EUPHORIA, and absolutely zero negative side effects besides the method of ingestion, which is obviously detrimental to your lungs; Besides, the people who it gives negative side effects and meshes sourly with their brain chemistry will usually smoke it 2-3 times before they stop.. Why would they smoke it more if they dont like what it does? I'm guessing you are one of the people who doesnt like what it does, or one of the people who it doesnt give energy, alertness, and motivation to- There are more unlazy, unmotivated, losers who DON'T smoke pot , then DO smoke pot.. Its only logical that some of those people would smoke pot anyways- To some users it makes them lazy and unmotivated, and will only enhance that lifestyle - But people could substitute video games, or other sedentary lifestyles in the same manner marjiuana is, although not as directly as if THC gives them the lazy/euphoric feeling - but that would be indica, not sativa ...
If an AMBITIOUS, MOTIVATED individual smokes pot, it will do absolutely nothing to alter those descriptive adjectives, and underlying personality/character traits into something more undesireable..
again, it's very illogical, and I could go on and on and im sure many people would about how ignorant that is, and how you have no evidence backing you up, its just a blind statement..
Does pot gives you positive side effects that benefit your motivated lifestyle and increase your energy? No? Well it does for some. Did you react negatively to pot, or use it chronically in such a way that it contributed to an unproductive lifestyle? Probably.
What possible evidence, or reason do you have to say what you say? Tell me, so I can tell you how wrong you are. Panic attacks happen eventually to all chronic users, followd by schizofrenia?
And I could go into, scientifically, why you're wrong about what pot does to the brain, but i'm sure you wouldnt understand half of it, based on your assumptions about tetrahydrocannabinol.
Edited by dubbyah (01/02/06 12:34 PM)
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confuzed
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: dubbyah]
#5131272 - 01/02/06 01:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"dubbyah"
In fact, 1 in 3 suffer panic attacks attributable to marijuana, it's extremely common and it's not outside the realms of possibility that those who haven't yet, at some point will.
As far as the depersonalisation goes, it tends to effect people who are already day-dreamers and engage in magical thinking, they're already accustomed to emotional and psychological escapism (perhaps because of traumatic experiences) so when confronted with the situation of marijuana-induced panic they do what comes most naturally - and that's to depersonalise. It's self-perpetuating too, and the more one enters this separated state, the more engrained it becomes.
Marijuana also alters response to stress in a highly unpredictable way, by interfering with the natural endogenous cannabinoid system which is responsible for stress response, and inhibition of the HPA-axis, whereas exogenous cannabinoids activate it almost immediately. (surprise surprise)
What's so positive about your beloved drug which increaases the release of stress hormones (reduces your immune responses) Champion?
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But people could substitute video games, or other sedentary lifestyles in the same manner marjiuana is, although not as directly as if THC gives them the lazy/euphoric feeling - but that would be indica, not sativa ...
Interesting, because most of the studies focus on THC. First of all, hardly anyone uses %100 Sativa such as DP or isomerise they're gear, and secondly, it's the THC which causes the majority of the cardiac effects potentiating the common, severe anxiety and panic attack.
Do you know how many active, GENIUS's in the work of science, psychology, theology, and other highly active scholarly fields smoke pot and have smoked pot for immense amounts of time?
Nope, I don't. List them. Do they work for cannabis.com by any chance? :P
I always have evidence backing me up...how about you?
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What possible evidence, or reason do you have to say what you say? Tell me, so I can tell you how wrong you are. Panic attacks happen eventually to all chronic users, followd by schizofrenia?
No! Panic attacks are common, but they don't necessarily develop in to schizophrenia or even panic disorder. Sometimes, especially if it's early on in nieve users, panic-like effects are felt because it's good weed or too much has been smoked, but later when the euphoric effects wear off (less laughter is a sure sign) AND panic and depersonalisation is experienced enough, then a disorder can develop.
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And I could go into, scientifically, why you're wrong about what pot does to the brain, but i'm sure you wouldnt understand half of it, based on your assumptions about tetrahydrocannabinol.
your probably right, try anyway though. I'm always willing to learn.
Edited by confuzed (01/02/06 02:21 PM)
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: confuzed]
#5133811 - 01/03/06 12:33 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been smoking 1-3g a day for a year and a half, 1/4g a day for a couple years before that. The only substantial negative health effect is coughing up phlegm with little (or occasionally large) chunks of tar in them (I don't smoke cigs, so that can't be the culprit). I have a vaporizer, and that pretty much solves the issue. The vapor clears out your lungs (via THC-induced bronchodilation, I assume), and doesn't build up nasty black deposits... unfortunately, it's not as viscerally satisfying as ripping a fat bowl to the dome, so I don't use it as much as I should and still cough up nasty black shit. If it bothered me that much, I'd vape more.
Also, I don't know if it'd be considered a health effect or not, but my mind is generally fuzzier when I haven't smoked. Caffeine counteracts this by making it seem like my mind is clearer and more agile (like it is when I'm high), but I learned long ago that this effect of caffeine is largely an illusion... my mind is indeed working faster, but there's correspondingly more errors in logic. Nothing can hold a candle to mary jane for going on a mad researching binge.
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: confuzed]
#5133848 - 01/03/06 12:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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confuzed said:
Do you know how many active, GENIUS's in the work of science, psychology, theology, and other highly active scholarly fields smoke pot and have smoked pot for immense amounts of time?
Nope, I don't. List them. Do they work for cannabis.com by any chance? :P
Methinks confuzed is confused...
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Revelation]
#5134018 - 01/03/06 02:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe Organic was referring to the way you derailed this thread with your veiled attacks against Wiccan Seeker? You're not fooling anyone with your bullshit either.
Veiled attacks? Bullshit? That anger may give you a coronary. See the earlier references.
Wiccan_Seeker:
You believe that Karma will get you when it's time. I subscribe to that...
Personally I believe in a kind of karma...
He believes in karma, so when I ask if his condition is a result of karma (a priniciple he believes in), how is that an attack?
Legitimate studies that show anger has a significant role in heart attacks. The link to marijuana smoking is only tenuous at this stage of research so may be due to other factors. It is certainly worth considering.
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: ph30n1x]
#5134095 - 01/03/06 04:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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in my experience, smoking too much grass for too long makes me feel paranoid (not just when i'm stoned, in general). it also lessens my motivation to do, well, anything. that's just my experience, it could just be bullshit that i'm imagining.
i don't know the proper arguments from either side of this debate, and to be honest i don't give a crap, i just feel that smoking every day is definately unhealthy for me. plus, smoking less often gives me so much more enjoyment than when i used to smoke every day.
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Organic
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Swami]
#5134203 - 01/03/06 07:24 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I guess you're not going to contribute anything to the actual thread starter's topic, not enough drama there? Perhaps I should berate your posting style to make you feel more at home in this forum and invoke a response Not really, I love you Swamster
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Swami]
#5135089 - 01/03/06 02:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swami said: At age 28, I nearly died from acute hashish intoxication. No, not a psychedelic ego-death experience or just thinking I was dying, but had a real hypertensive crisis off of eating 1 gram of black Nepalese hash and one hit of weak acid. I was going to post this, but expected that everyone would parrot that cannabis cannot kill you. I beg to differ unless the hash that I took was tainted.
An athlete going at maximum output might get a heart rate of 180-190 bpm at peak. I had a sustained resting heart rate of 240 bpm! The doctor said I was lucky to have survived and if I was not young and in top condition that my heart would have literally exploded! It was the worst nightmare imaginable.
I could not even smoke a joint for 15 years due to acute anxiety and paranoia. That might give a little insight into my fear. Guess I have been heading back down this road due to many devastating personal crisis. Somewhere along the way I lost my spirit and joy for life. Trying to get back on track and to learn to accept death and loss and find some purpose.
I guess my disappointments in trying to find something "real" is reflected in my sometimes harsh approach to fellow posters. Maybe just acknowleging my own fear and anger is a step into the light...
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Revelation]
#5135145 - 01/03/06 02:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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When i used to smoke marijuana i had one major chest pain..and i was walkin down the street with my homie and i just had to sit down on the curb. And i was gaspin for breath and freaking out. He freaked out to because he got me high he thought he was gonna get in trouble. lol. he ran. but i just took a break and after 15 minutes i was fine..except for fucking cotton mouth..but ive smoked weed probably about 20 times and only one of those times i had heart problems..5% not too bad
But it gave me short term mem. after 20 times..i guess i burn out faster than most people. most people it takes years
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: LightItUp]
#5135507 - 01/03/06 04:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i smoke alot . only thing is that im tired .. or sometimes a headache .. other than that its like normal air
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: eNmity]
#5135663 - 01/03/06 04:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I smoke 4 to 5 times a week on average. I've been smoking for about 2 years.
THC does increase heart rate, about the same amount exercise does. If you have a medical condition where going on a run would put you at risk of injuring yourself, then don't smoke.
Also, I've witnessed the effects of marijuana on someone who may have an underlying schizophrenic tendency. I am near certain he had nothing else that night. You can see that report here.
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sever
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? *DELETED* [Re: Jfisher]
#5135975 - 01/03/06 06:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deviate
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: confuzed]
#5136215 - 01/03/06 07:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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confuzed speaks the truth. this post perfectly describes the evolution of my relationship with marijuana:
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confuzed said: Marijuana causes a f'd up incurable form of panic disorder, and depersonalisation disorder. That's why people who have suffered panic responses induced by it can never seem to turn back the clock even with long breaks.
The initial panic response is compounded by orthostatic/postural hypotension and compels the sufferer to lay down due to dizziness and cardiac neurosis, the resulting predicament forces upon the sufferer a double-edged sword, (1) to continue to worry about his/her heart or (2) to separate mind from body and depersonalise.
It's not good for the heart and the panic disorder doubles to triples the risk of heart disease..
It's worse for the lungs than tobacco by miles.
This is the normal course of events: Happy times/weed is my best friend-----minimal laughter and euphoria---panic, depersonalisation with or without psychosis, or schizophrenia
Repeated over and over and over, everywhere you go. Many of the people who report only positive experiences just haven't smoked for long enough or they are in denial, or they still have HIGH hopes for a return to the glory days which will never happen...
furthermore, from what i've seen, this type of repsonse is not at all uncommon. i know many people in real life who were once heavy smokers and quit because their reaction to marijuana completely changed and they began to have panick attacks and anxiety. in addition, i've been a reader of forums such as this one, bluelight and yahooka for about 3 years and over that time i've seen literally countless posts being made about these exact phenomena. i've even seen several posts describing psychotic episodes induced by cannabis (i believe there was recently one in the physical and mental health forum here) check erowid and you'll find multiple reports of this sort of thing, even self-mutilation. whenever i'd reply with my experience to one of these posts in a place such as yahooka or bluelight i'd get multiple PM responses saying "the exact same happened to me". it's quite amazing how similar many of our experiences were. of course, i'm not claiming that everyone who smokes marijuana regularly develops these problems but it does seem to be extremely common and poses a great risk for marijuana users. the longer and heavier you smoke the more likely you are to develop a panick reaction. just because it hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean it won't happen to someday if you keep smoking and doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other people.
Edited by Deviate (01/03/06 07:58 PM)
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: ph30n1x]
#5136331 - 01/03/06 07:48 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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WTF? Have you been reading the Coach Dan's Chalk Talk on Marijuana before sleep? Dude, get wise and don't base your judging on rotten BS.
i could just as easily say WTF to you. what hes saying is dead on.
Have you been smoking Jane long enough yourself to make such a weird statement?
i cannot speak for him but i have and i can verify that what he says is true.
Accept SCIENTIFIC MEDICAL RESEARCH DATA only, and filter the BS fed to you by old farts who are still uncomfortable with the fact that Earth ain't flat and rotates around the Sun and not vice versa. Just google "Medical Marijuana" or "Steve Kubby" or go find a local rasta and have a 10 minute talk with him or go to Amsterdam and have a look around before raving on stuff that you probly even have no 1st hand experience with.
why shouldn't personal experience be an acceptable way of learning about marijuana? also, there are scientific studies that link marijuana to anxiety, schizophrenia, panic attacks and despersonalization.
here's an example of a few studies:
http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/510418.html
http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=10399
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...9&dopt=Citation
Have you ever thought that pot was smoked freely 99,99% of human history in almost every civilization around the world and the ban is less than 70 years at work? Do you seriously believe there's less "panic disorder" in these 70 years than it were before, and mankind became healthier since then?
what? im sure people developed panick attakcs long ago as they do now. as far i know, the usage rate of marijuana in the USA is higher now than it was 70 years ago.
Sorry, mate, do you think at all before posting?
his posts appear more well thought out than yours.
Edited by Deviate (01/03/06 08:00 PM)
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Deviate]
#5136448 - 01/03/06 08:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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not any.. just some short term memory fuckups
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ph30n1x
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: sever]
#5136600 - 01/03/06 09:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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sever said: I had put quite a bit of thought into my post, and then the computer froze, and I lost everything.
LOL, this actually mad me laugh at my desk. Not laughing at you man. It's just that, that is such an easy scene to imagine: Guy works hard at a creating a profound resonce then... BOOM...all gone. *He stairs blankly at the screen and rewrites a scrappy and less organized version of his previous post with a blanc/stern/upset face* I did put too much effort into that explination.
I did like your post though, seriously. So twas not a waste.
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: ph30n1x]
#5136705 - 01/03/06 09:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once I smoked marijuana and thought I couldn't breath. It was very scary as my heart was racing and I just tried to breath normally. Another time I smoked weed and my heart was just racing like mad. Racing more on weed then methaphetamines... very strange indeed.
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Fluxburn]
#5136832 - 01/03/06 10:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've clocked my resting heart rate at 180 bpm on marijuana and i wasn't panicking or feeling overly anxious at the time. that was shortly before i decided to never smoke marijuana again.
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Organic
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Re: anyone had/have adverse health effects from smoking pot? [Re: Deviate]
#5137632 - 01/04/06 03:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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just because it hasn't happened to you yet doesn't mean it won't happen to someday if you keep smoking and doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other people. [
I think every smoker will concede it happens to some smokers. Probably less than or equal to the same percent that would not enjoy mushrooms, but you don't see people saying something along the lines of I had a horrible PTSD inducing trip on mushrooms, now I fear I am losing my mind--so will all of you, it's inevitable.
Some like a scapegoat...who is to say anxiety would not have developed naturally, without marijuana or mushrooms in many of these cases, in these individuals PREDISPOSED to anxiety problems... It's so easy to look at past drug usage and blame it for something due to correlation, even easier to tell people how THEY will react to a drug by making assumptions about their habits and health. Neither is reliable.
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