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How bad are drugs for your health, really?
    #7537105 - 10/19/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm sick of the bullshit they tell you in school and the rumors that get spread around like mushrooms making your brain bleed and shit... i would like to get a few things cleared up

firstly, does weed kill brain cells?
second, does mushrooms, acid or any other hallucino kill brain cell's?
Ecstacy? is it that bad for your spine and brain and stuff? I know its definately bad for you but how bad?

and what would be the shortest possible intervals you could take these drugs and still avoid most of the long-term affects?

sources would be cool, i'd like to have some proof next time someone tells me i'm destroying my brain.

basically what would/do you say to these dicks who insist that these or any other drugs are just horrible for you?


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537172 - 10/19/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

weed is safer than tylenol lol, it does not kill brain cells or cause cancer. Mushrooms do not kill brain cells either, the only thing I can think of is inhalants like dustoff and alcohol. Ecstasy is not as most people think it does not burn holes in your brain that's not true, you just have to wait a couple of weeks before using it again, it's bad when you use them a lot. The reason they try to make all drugs out to be horrible is to scare kids away from doing them, it's just propaganda.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537184 - 10/19/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Weed kills brain cells, but so does beer. Or bumping your head. It won't cause you to be stupid.

Mushrooms and Acid, I don't know if they kill brain cells, but if they do it'd be in minimal amounts.

E is slightly worse for you. MDMA isn't THAT bad for you. It's actually relatively safe. It's just that most pills out there are cut with all sorts of shit that's bad for you. MDMA also damages serotonin receptors with heavy use, but they can repair themselves if it's not too bad. I'd still personally stay away from the shit, though.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537200 - 10/19/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Who cares. Life is fatal anyways, so might as well have all the fun you can. drugs ftw.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537232 - 10/19/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I do not really know every all of them by heart... but here's a list list I made of the Health section of some Psychoactives from the website Erowid.
Alcohol
Cannabis (Weed, Pot, Marijuana)
DXM (Cough Syrup) - I had to put DXM/Cough Syrup, there's many debates over here about this Over-the-Counter drug.
GHB
Ketamine
(Surprise, no health section for LSD, guess why :wink:)
MDMA (Ecstasy)
(Again, no Mushrooms, guess why, again!!)
(No Salvia neither)

There are no Health section for Cocaine, DMT, Heroin, Meth, LSA (Morning Glories, Hawaian Baby Woodrose), LSD, Mushrooms, Salvia.
And as far as I know, cacti (Peyote) are not dangerous, if you do everything correctly. But street Mescaline... is something else.

As far as I know, Nitrous is the only inhalant that can be safe, if you have a good food-quality batch!

So, why do mushrooms, LSD (and salvia) have no health documentations? Because they are safe for your body. If it was that bad, wh would know it.

But, like they say...
Every individual reacts differently to every chemical.
Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.



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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7537243 - 10/19/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MDMA also damages serotonin receptors with heavy use, but they can repair themselves if it's not too bad. I'd still personally stay away from the shit, though.



MDMA is fuckin beautiful...nuff said


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7537251 - 10/19/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Justice_Fish said:
I do not really know every all of them by heart... but here's a list list I made of the Health section of some Psychoactives from the website Erowid.
Alcohol
Cannabis (Weed, Pot, Marijuana)
DXM (Cough Syrup) - I had to put DXM/Cough Syrup, there's many debates over here about this Over-the-Counter drug.
GHB
Ketamine
(Surprise, no health section for LSD, guess why :wink:)
MDMA (Ecstasy)
(Again, no Mushrooms, guess why, again!!)
(No Salvia neither)

There are no Health section for Cocaine, DMT, Heroin, Meth, LSA (Morning Glories, Hawaian Baby Woodrose), LSD, Mushrooms, Salvia.
And as far as I know, cacti (Peyote) are not dangerous, if you do everything correctly. But street Mescaline... is something else.

As far as I know, Nitrous is the only inhalant that can be safe, if you have a good food-quality batch!

So, why do mushrooms, LSD (and salvia) have no health documentations? Because they are safe for your body. If it was that bad, wh would know it.

But, like they say...
Every individual reacts differently to every chemical.
Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.



Justice_Fish



a+++++ post, would read again


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537260 - 10/19/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Most drugs actually don't cause any brain or bodily harm, whatsoever. Imagine if people shot and snorted prozac and zoloft all day long: they'd be fried/dead. Most recreational drugs are extremely non-toxic, only causing complications when abused heavily/used in lethal doses.

Another thing to take into consideration is the factthat anti-drug websites

http://www.freevibe.org/
http://dare.com/home/DrugInformation/Defaultc096.asp?N=DrugInformation&M=11&S=0

don't even tell blatant lies like: pot/acid/shrooms/heroin kills brain cells. The only substance for which the D.A.R.E. website uses uses the word "toxic" is methamphetamine. Of course, they still have to make other drugs look bad: "Heroin can lead to AIDS AIDS AIDS"

but they can't get around the fact that most drugs don't cause any inherent damage. The reality is that only meth and possibly (these drugs probably are pretty risky) ecstacy and the dissaccociatives (Olney's Lesions — a theory), when abused, causes brain damage, and pretty much all the other popular substances are safe, inherently.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7537286 - 10/19/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haunting Soul,

MOST Hallucinogens cause no physical harm whatsoever

Pot itself does not kill braincells, the smoke from it will though

Ecstasy, no one truly knows. Some studies say its terrible, some say once in a while is ok. Use your best judgement on this one.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7537288 - 10/19/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Pot itself does not kill braincells, the smoke from it will though




The old lack of oxygen one, eh? for your information, there's probably plenty of oxygen contained in the smoke. And does holding your breath kill brain cells? If it does: plenty of oxygen in smoke.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7537327 - 10/19/07 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Pot itself does not kill braincells, the smoke from it will though




The old lack of oxygen one, eh? for your information, there's probably plenty of oxygen contained in the smoke. And does holding your breath kill brain cells? If it does: plenty of oxygen in smoke.




eh... smoke contains free radicals which does attack brain cells.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7537342 - 10/19/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, you're probably right. But our atmosphere contains free radicals, so the brain damage that pot causes is so miniscule to the brain damage we get just from living post 19th century.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7537345 - 10/19/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Marijuana smoke does contain a significant amount of tar. Heavy smoking can cause lung infection, and lead to various lung problems. However, if you don't smoke marijuana too heavily, then I think the benefits outweigh the costs. Other than this Marijuana is quite safe.

Mushrooms do not cause the brain to bleed. Bleeding of the brain is a stroke, thus if Mushrooms caused strokes, then you would see people with brain damage and the long lasting effects would be used in anti-drug campaigns. Within the numerous studies involving use of psilocybin, none have reported bleeding of the brain, and if it were so I would assume they would be discontinued. LSD also presents no detriment. Obviously, any drug, especially psychedelics, can cause psychological harm if abused, or used by people who have a history of psychological illness in their family.

Ecstasy, from what I've read can be detrimental, but may be debatably safe. There are at least documents I've read claiming that overuse of the drug results in one becoming an e-tard, because of chemical factors effecting the brain. I will not say this is entirely true, but Ecstasy as with any pill can be cut with many substances. Know your sources, and don't trust pills with substances you aren't willing to take the risk of having in your body, or at least devote a little time researching any potential harm of drugs you use.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: confusion]
    #7537362 - 10/19/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

hehe, junkfood, don't get me wrong about pot smoke. the brain damage we are speaking of here is so miniscule it barely makes a difference.

I'm guessing you would have to smoke 3 joints a day until the age of 55 to experience a 5 point drop in your iq.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: confusion]
    #7537370 - 10/19/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

everything kills brain cells all the time but you've got so many brain cells to last to thousands upon thousands of years, not to mention Princeton did a study and it found that brain cells do regenerate.

Marijuana does kill brain cells but so do a lot of "normal" activities. What I hate as much as people saying any drug will instantly make u crazy/die is people that say there is 100% no physical hard from weed. Yeah there is but not as much as people say. Even though there was that 17 yr study that shows that excessive long term marijuana smoking impares short term memory...

1. It's called moderation goddamit, nothing is good in excess even water!! zomg
2. What is retarded is that for some reason Alcohol and Tobacco (containing nicotine which is more addictive than heroin) are for some reason not considered schedualed drugs when they more than meet the requirement.
3. Misinformation bugs the fuck out of me.
4. Obviously if you smoke pot the tar will have an ill-effect.
5. All drugs are drugs, there are no good or bad drugs. A "bad" drug is determined by the society in which it is placed, practically every drug started off as some amazing thing but a few people got pissed at it and made up dumbshit scare tactics which got them banned... except in some cases like amphetamines/opiates when coke/heroin was basically in everything.

Personally I don't understand the double standard in the drug world, there are plenty of perscription pills that people can get hooked on yet non-addictive substances which are non toxic (specifically hallucinogens) are banned. You can't even freakin overdose on em! And even if you can, you can overdose on anything if you really wanted.

They might as well ban water, it's the most addictive thing ever. The withdrawal is death and ur hooked 4 lyfe.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: confusion]
    #7537387 - 10/19/07 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Heres some of my favorite propaganda

1.Pot kills all your ambition
2.Smoking pot prevents learning for 48 hours after smoking
3.The reason mushrooms make you trip is because of food poisoning

that shit is so absurd it makes me laugh, whenever I hear someone spreading misinformation like that I make a point of correcting them.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: 2012shaman]
    #7537399 - 10/19/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"3.The reason mushrooms make you trip is because of food poisoning" that doesn't even make any fucking sense in bizzaro world. What is the logic behind that? If that were true everyttime you had food poisoning you would trip unless there is a special mushroom food poisoning which isn't really poison so much as it is psilocin and other things.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7537546 - 10/19/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The brain is an inconceivably complex, dynamic (always-changing) environment. Today it's less a question of: "Does this drug kill brain cells?" and more a question of: "How exactly does this drug impact the brain, starting on the cellular level?"
At the same time, the brain exhibits "plasticity" which is essentially the ability to adapt and repair itself. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that psychopharmacology and questions about neurotoxicity or long-term changes in the brain are (surprise) extraordinarily complicated when you get down to specifics. And we still know so little...


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7537554 - 10/19/07 10:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Today it's less a question of: "Does this drug kill brain cells?" and more a question of: "How exactly does this drug impact the brain, starting on the cellular level?"




That "impact" can be completely temporary, though.


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Re: How bad are drugs for your health, really? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7537557 - 10/19/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Or it could be permanent, we don't really know yet as studies like this are almost impossible thanks to our friendly DEA.


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