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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Sleepwalker]
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When you lose ego you realize life is all phat and that pain, fear, anxiety are pointless. Why overpower them with good things when you can experience only good things! As i said before, heaven is a state of mind.

Survival can be easily done without ego. Even better in fact! are there not massive herds of wilderbeast? When everyones fighting against each other for survival of their ego, we just cause each others downfall. That's why it's chaos cause everyone is just fighting against each other instead of just working with each other.

Is it not better that four people work towards the same goal together than against each other?

Look at politics today. All the politicians and countries work against each other. Same with everything. Would it not be better if they worked in harmony? Harmony without ego getting in the way and causing greed?

Equality is there for mankind to have if that's truly what they want. Doesn't work when everyone's working for themself though.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

Edited by Grapefruit (05/14/08 07:40 AM)

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
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I say let him be, if he likes having ego, illsionary as it may be he is happy to not go further.

I'd say only unless you really have a deep inner urge to be free & find out the deepest truth of existence, only then find out how to be ego-less, otherwise just live & be happy :thumbup:

Both end up in the same place, being simply happy to exist, one is a rollercoaster of misery & glimpses of bliss, the other is just bliss & peace.

:psychsplit:


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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Chronic7]
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I say let him be, if he likes having ego, illsionary as it may be he is happy to not go further.


You're right of course, it's just so very hard to see why somebody wouldn't want to look deep inside themselves and find what we all have, when it creates such an infinite bliss. Hard to understand why someone wouldn't want that.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
I say let him be, if he likes having ego, illsionary as it may be he is happy to not go further.

I'd say only unless you really have a deep inner urge to be free & find out the deepest truth of existence, only then find out how to be ego-less, otherwise just live & be happy :thumbup:

Both end up in the same place, being simply happy to exist, one is a rollercoaster of misery & glimpses of bliss, the other is just bliss & peace.

:psychsplit:


:thumbup:  We're all heading for that big funeral home in the sky.  All the coffins are overpriced, but what can you do?

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Oweyervishice said:
:thumbup:  We're all heading for that big funeral home in the sky.  All the coffins are overpriced, but what can you do?


Stay with that thought, please, right now actually see yourself and all of us come & go, see even this planet burn to ashes & disintegrate, feel it go, the whole solar system gone, the whole galaxy, the whole universe, stay as what remains, simply having the courage to do this you will catch a glimpse of awakening. Seriously just try it, watch it all come & go, the universe was born, it will die. Stay as what is always.

:rose:


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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Oweyervishice said:
:thumbup:  We're all heading for that big funeral home in the sky.  All the coffins are overpriced, but what can you do?


Stay with that thought, please, right now actually see yourself and all of us come & go, see even this planet burn to ashes & disintegrate, feel it go, the whole solar system gone, the whole galaxy, the whole universe, stay as what remains, simply having the courage to do this you will catch a glimpse of awakening. Seriously just try it, watch it all come & go, the universe was born, it will die. Stay as what is always.

:rose:



Even if I don't consciously acknowledge it, isn't whatever is eternal always with me anyway? What difference does it make, besides to my mind?  :sunny:

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Sleepwalker]
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I am that which Is


:goose:

rhetoric jargon Love via linguistic um

well,

so, its not wednesday


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in all of Infinite
there is but One
and it is nOne
ever and always
in every and all ways

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: MokshaIs]
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MokshaIs said:
I am that which Is


:goose:

rhetoric jargon Love via linguistic um

well,

so, its not wednesday



Duck, duck, duck, duck.........

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Icelander]
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I can't believe how egotistical some of these, "Enlightened" posters of ours can actually be.

If you must insist you know all the answers when you clearly don't... that is your ego speaking.

If you are compelled to prove yourself right, without any evidence at all... that too, is your ego. Why else would you need to make your point? If you were ego-less, and truly one with everything... it wouldn't matter... right?

If you feel the need to make fun of people who use things like logic and facts, simply because you believe in an unproven concept... you are once again, talking out your ego.

Assuming a skeptic can't understand the concept of oneness... ego.

Stating that oneness is the, "One true way"... ego.

Tickling another Shroomerite's scrotum just 'cause they too can talk in silly circles... ego.

Thinking only "Believers" can "Understand"... ego.

I can't believe how easy it is for people who "Know" we are all one... to act as egotistical as a Christian Fundamentalist ascending up to heaven... during the Rapture.


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Fiddlesticks.


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Re: Onenhess vs Skeptics [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Um guys, no the REG thing is very real. It is being done at princeton right now en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project they have over 100 major events where the readings become non random, this is real university research not crackpot theories. They can't predict where something is going to happen, but they get readings that something is going to happen.

Here you can look at the list of events and the time and statistical data for their events http://noosphere.princeton.edu/results.html

It is proven fact that humans can influence REG just by thinking.
from wiki on GCP:

Roger D. Nelson developed the project as an extrapolation of two decades of experiments from the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab (PEAR) which repeatedly show that electronic noise-based, truly random number generators (RNG or REG) seem to be intentionally influenced to bring about a less random sequence of data - in other words, that human intention can reduce natural entropy and create greater coherence within a random series of events.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Onenhess vs Skeptics [Re: Cannashroom]
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If you must insist you know all the answers when you clearly don't... that is your ego speaking.

If you are compelled to prove yourself right, without any evidence at all... that too, is your ego. Why else would you need to make your point? If you were ego-less, and truly one with everything... it wouldn't matter... right?



Missing the point entirely if this is directed at me, not oneness, emptiness. Who knows what is right? So emptiness is what we must become and emptiness is how we must remain. There aren't any answers, that's the whole point.

I'm not compelled to prove myself right. I'm trying to help you understand, so you can all have peace. Not for myself, because i don't have self.

It's because i love you all, truly. :heart:


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

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Re: Onenhess vs Skeptics [Re: Cannashroom]
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The need to believe is strong in young Cannashroom, but alas there is no substance. Will he hold onto this nonsense well into old age or will he be emotionally devastated when he realizes he's been had? Stay tuned for the next ho-hum chapter.

OC looks out the window at YET ANOTHER BILLION DOLLAR CASINO being built because humans believe in luck and telekinetic control despite ALL evidence to the contrary.


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Re: Onenhess vs Skeptics [Re: Cannashroom]
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Did you actually care to read the criticism section ? I think it rises interesting points.

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
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Bullshit.

How on Earth can you claim to know how every single skeptic will react to ego loss?

How can you assume skeptics have not also seen what you choose to believe in?




Because it's better than beleiving in self. So you may as well believe in it. Peace is just nicer! :smile::thumbup: :frown::thumbdown: The skeptic would ask themselves(mental monologue)...

"So if i now i don't beleive in self and i see emptiness. Then both can be perceived in the mind as true. Thefore i do not know which is right because there is no way to know. Therefore the best decision is to go with what feels best. Because i'm given no more information than i can feel."

I don't choose to believe in emptiness. I am emptiness just like for you right now you are self.

Enlightenment literally is Enlightenment. You feel like a massive weight has been lifted from your brain is the best way i can describe it to you. You realize ego put this on your brain, disallowing peace.

Also the enlightened one is the true sceptic because he holds no notions. Right now you're mind state is self whereas i mine is neither self or selflessness. So I have no beliefs about what life should be. I am emptiness. I see it for only what it is. Peace :heart:


Why do I smell puppet.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Icelander]
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'cause you're eating them ?

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: deimya]
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I do like to munch the newbies.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Onenhess vs Skeptics [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
I'm not compelled to prove myself right. I'm trying to help you understand, so you can all have peace. Not for myself, because i don't have self.

It's because i love you all, truly. :heart:


It wasn't specifically aimed at you...

But the section I just quoted from your previous post is bullshit.

AND your assumption that us, "Skeptics" don't understand is both ego driven and offensive.

If you assume, "Skeptics" are not at peace... that is ego talking.

If you don't have a self, who is doing your posting?

If you think you love EVERYONE, that is either delusional, or you don't yet understand what love is and are confusing love with another emotion.


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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Cannashroom]
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I did read it actually, did you read the actual article? Human brains create a magnetic field that permeates through the entire universe, 6 billion together would create a field together. Of course it is ridiculously slight and tiny, but it is there and real, do way to dispute it. I'm not saying it is true for sure, I am just giving you some interesting studies that point to that conclusion. My main thought is all matter created together (big bang) matter was once all at a point of infinite density, and they it blew apart into our universe. What if our universe was just a projection into a different dimension and everything is still connected in another dimension. M-Theory predicts 11 dimensions, whats happening in those other 7? Some physicists think consciousness might actually contain some of those dimensions, the the fact is NO ONE KNOW ANYTHING! We can argue and put arguments for either side, but no one will prove either side, there is not circumstantial evidence to point to a global conciousness, but we have a bit.

I was just throwing out some ideas of mine on the topic, and you guys in your fervor to reject anything of the sort flamed me to hell, these are just Ideas, not hard held beliefs of mine.

But I think the electromagnetic field from the brain is the best evidence, because we KNOW they exists and can interact.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Cannashroom]
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matter was once all at a point of infinite density, and they it blew apart into our universe.


The alien overlords?

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But I think the electromagnetic field from the brain is the best evidence, because we KNOW they exists and can interact.


We know that electromagnetic fields can interact which is entirely separate from telepathy / telekinesis.

When you have real evidence of either of those powers, be sure to collect the Swami Thousands or the Randi Millions.

FYI, having an idea deconstructed is not flaming and is part and parcel of this forum. You may mosey on over to M&P wherein every one will :yesnod: your statements and knowledge will stagnate. It is cozy, safe and warm there. :heart:


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Re: Oneness vs Skeptics [Re: Icelander]
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The problem with having a philosophical conversation on religion is that there is no proof on either side of the question. The facts are there one way or the other, we just have not found them. Atheists are just as unreasonable as Christians in the arguement, but I do have some facts that might support an intelligent design theory. When the protein in your DNA produces an amino-acid and it mutates, that mutation is recessive and will not duplicate itself. This fact puts a big hole in the theory of evolution where there are many other holes.

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