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Offlinejonnyshaggs420
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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: Swami]
    #461824 - 11/17/01 11:57 PM (22 years, 7 months ago)

Its a beleif that demons don't cause sickness. Prove to me they don't.


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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #461876 - 11/18/01 01:40 AM (22 years, 7 months ago)

after a person dies if an autopsy is performed it is likely that viruses will be found, viruses that are absent in healthy people. Never has a demon or any trace of a demon has ever been found during autopsy why not do you think?

Edited by missulena (11/18/01 01:56 AM)

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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: Swami]
    #462381 - 11/18/01 01:55 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Yes Swami, question authority. Especially those in the scientific community that would have you worship thier god of science exclusively. Thier scientific evaluations still cannot explain the pyramids in Egypt. These people had no GPS they had no cranes or even steel for that matter. They had no horses. They had bronze and copper tools. They even had a primitive form of electric light. So how did they move 20 ton blocks of stone? And then stack them so accuratly that they are lined up with exact true north, not magnetic north? And then on top of that line them up perfectly with the stars in Orions Belt. To do this would mean that they would have had to seen things from above ground level. There are no mountains in Giza. Explain also how the Ancient Sumerian people knew about the planet Pluto? Pluto was not "found" until the 1950's. They also counted the planets from the outside in. They also knew that the world was round. So did the ancient man Job. This is all eons before Magellan or Columbus actually proved this to the ingnorant "scholars" that thought the world was flat and the universe revolved around the earth.


And BTW the human bio-electric field which is measurable and is capable of affecting metallic objects does exist. If you place a non-metallic object behind a piece of glass, which is insulating, you or anyone else will not be able to affect that object. Physically or electrically. It is a proven scientific fact that electricity will not pass through glass. So when scientists gather around someone who claims to have practiced and developed thier "powers" (which is nothing more than thier own natural bio-electric field) the first thing they do is place a non-metallic object surrounded by a piece of glass and tell the person to move it. It's simple physics really. If even kilovolts will not pass through glass than how will the 18+ volts your body is capable of producing pass through it?

Debunkers are as bad at being charlatans as the people who claim to be psychic. There are people out there that have extraordinary abilities. Like the Chi Gung and Kung Fu masters. Yes they do bend spears on thier throats and run razor sharp blades over thier skin with enough pressure to cut to the bone. One young man had so much power that they could place metallic objects on his stomach and they would stick to him. A 67 year old woman can take steel rebar and bend it with her throat. A Kung Fu teacher can take an Iron pipe and bend with his fists, and then immediatly after stand upon eggshells and write chinese caligraphy. This is documented on film. In fact it was aired on a major TV syndication in the US. Go talk to Bruce K. Frantzis. He is a master of the internal martial arts. In fact he has a schools in the United States and Europe. In fact he would be more than happy to give you a demonstration of fa jin, or projected energy.

You cannot see the wind and air. But you can feel it. You can see its affects on the world around you. Most of the time it is a gentle breeze, other times it is a stiff wind, and occasionally it is a wrathful storm. Magick is science that remains to be explained. Science is magick defined.

Truly I say to you, do not listen to me. Find out for yourself. Ask yourself and others difficult questions to answer. Read books of opposite opinions and believe that both observations are correct and that even a third option is possible and could be actuality. People who look for proof that the supernatural does not exist will find more than enough proof that it doesn't. People who look for the existance of the supernatural will find plenty as well. So who is right? Each side can find enough evidence to refute the other. My own opinion is that there is something out there that has yet to be defined by "modern science".
And those that say there is nothing supernatural to be discovered are as foolish as those who would say that we have seen everything there is to be seen in the universe.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: Felstorm]
    #462494 - 11/18/01 03:43 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Especially those in the scientific community that would have you worship thier god of science exclusively.
Who are these dastardly scientists?

Thier scientific evaluations still cannot explain the pyramids in Egypt.
Science is about repeatability. As the pyramids were built long ago any ideas about the exact mechanism of construction will be theoretical. However, as Egypt was known for a fact to have quite a large slave population and the fact that man has built cities that exceed the construction of the pyramids in every dimension by several magnitudes, there is no reason to assume anything supernatural.

And then on top of that line them up perfectly with the stars in Orions Belt.
Whatever "line up with" means. Assuming that this statement is correct, so what? Build any random pyramid and it will align with something.

To do this would mean that they would have had to seen things from above ground level.
Yes, if there were mountains, you would be 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % closer to Orion's Belt which would make a huge difference. Sorry, but you lost me there.

They also knew that the world was round.
Which proves what we all know. That man is capable of puzzling out things through keen observation.

It is a proven scientific fact that electricity will not pass through glass.
Not a good idea to demonstrate your ignorance when trying to make a point. Air has a higher dielectric constant than glass and electricity passes through the air all the time. It is called lightning or static discharge.

Debunkers are as bad at being charlatans as the people who claim to be psychic.
Not even close. Debunkers are not trying to make money off of the gullible masses.

A Kung Fu teacher can take an Iron pipe and bend with his fists,
Any Kung Fu teacher or a specific teacher? My Sifu holds advanced degrees in several disciplines and has devoted his life to the martial arts. While I have enormous respect for his fighting skills, he makes no claims to any extraordinary abilities.

Most of the time it is a gentle breeze, other times it is a stiff wind
Seems that much of this is of the "stiff wind" variety.

Truly I say to you, do not listen to me.
Ok. Finally some advice I can take to heart.

So who is right? Each side can find enough evidence to refute the other.
Not quite. My computer works consistently (excluding Windows crashes) every day regardless of your belief and I can demonstrate this 100% of the time to anyone. This cannot be said for paranormal claims.



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Offlinejonnyshaggs420
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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: missulena]
    #463470 - 11/19/01 01:52 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Sanity is just what the majority views as normal. Crazy people are the best people in the world. They at least know who they are.

Prove to me that virii are not physical manifestations of demons. You cannot prove. You can only speculate. There is no logic in speculation.


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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: Anonymous]
    #464022 - 11/19/01 10:49 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

M?gick, like all concepts, is what one makes it.
This reality is malleable. The attempts at syllabic
interpretation are relative. All motion is ritual, all
thought is a spell/prayer/meditation, and experience
appears to be a reflection of an abstract. Not sane,
but embracing infinite degrees of order with hyper
comprehension.



I am one will
I am one will
I am one will
Pure intent
Pure intent
Pure intent
Pure intent


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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: Swami]
    #464077 - 11/19/01 11:57 PM (22 years, 6 months ago)

Swami your diatribe is compelling.

>>Who are these dastardly scientists?

My answer; Pick one that has a degree.

>>Science is about repeatability. As the pyramids were built long ago any ideas about the exact mechanism of construction will be theoretical. However, as Egypt was known for a fact to have quite a large slave population and the fact that man has built cities that exceed the construction of the pyramids in every dimension by several magnitudes, there is no reason to assume anything supernatural.

Exactly my point. They were built long ago. Scholars have tried innumerable explanations on how they were built. True Egypt had many slaves, but due to the inclines and planes that would have had to been defeated they would have had to build ramps twice as big as the pyramids themselves. Yet there is no remains of these massive ramps. The timeframes in which these massive structures were built does not lend itself to slave labor. Egyptians were meticulous about recording history. Why did they not include documentation on how they built the pyramids? And please name these immense cities that have these immense buildings equal to or greater than the Pyramids in Egypt, and of the same technological level and time period that are still standing and not made of brick.

>>Whatever "line up with" means. Assuming that this statement is correct, so what? Build any random pyramid and it will align with something.

Not like this. These buildings are anything but random. They have shafts inside of them. These shafts have one purpose.. at certain times of year _ONE_ particular star would have been visible through it. Not just any star, but a certain one, and at only one time of year. This high precision stuff you are getting from people that are supposedly just starting to harness copper tools and domesticated animals. You are also talking about many millions of tons of limestone piled up nice and neat that you cannot slip a razorblade between each stone. Each stone is also a perfect cube, supposedly carved from limestone with copper tools. Copper is not noted for its hardness, it would take a long time to carve even one block out of a quarry. And then to make it a cube would be even more fun. It would take many many more slaves than the Egyptians ever recorded onto stone or papyrus to accomplish this feat within 40 years. And the tops of all three buildings _just happen_ to line up just perfectly with the three stars of Orions Belt on the spring equinox?!? I think you need to explain all these random occurrences that are somehow not very random at all.

>>Yes, if there were mountains, you would be 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % closer to Orion's Belt which would make a huge difference. Sorry, but you lost me there.

The distances and positioning of the buildings in Ancient Egypt reflect certain constellations in the sky. In order to do this accurately, you would have to see things from low earth orbit.
Now there are two ways of accomplishing low earth orbit. One
is to strap yourself to several tons of rocket fuel and light the fuse. Egyptians at this time did not have even gunpowder.
And the other is to astrally project your consiousness to that height. If you will see one of my previous posts Astral Projection was at one time worth several billion to the US government and was even utilised to regain a military officer from capture, with uncanny accuracy. Ancient Egyptians were noted for thier mystical schools and magick practicing priests. I doubt if these priests could make it rain frogs or turn water to blood but I do think they were capable of displacing thier consiousness outside of thier body.


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It is an act of kindness to educate the ignorant.
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Offlinemissulena
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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #464123 - 11/20/01 01:10 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

The majorities way of thinking is the most effective way to live in this reality otherwise the psycotics would be the majority.
"theres no logic in speculation"
crazy people do more speculating than most and you sound like you think they have some kind of wisdom or something

You cant prove that about the virus but thats not a good reason to believe it, i cant prove what a 4 year old mutters isnt true but i dont believe it until i have some kind of evidence or someone i trust explains it to me e.g certain scientist





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Re: Thoughts on Magick... [Re: Felstorm]
    #464180 - 11/20/01 02:40 AM (22 years, 6 months ago)

I see that we have subtly switched from "scientists" to "scholars". Good move because archaeology may use scientific methodology from which to build hypotheses, but is not itself a science.

And please name these immense cities that have these immense buildings equal to or greater than the Pyramids in Egypt, and of the same technological level and time period that are still standing and not made of brick.
You add many words to my declaration then ask me to restate it with sub-clauses? That is pretty feeble.

Today we build fantastic cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Tokyo, Sydney, London, Paris, etc, etc. These are more complex, taller, larger, more intricately designed buildings and yet you declare nothing supernatural about them. Man did and continues to extrude monumental works from metal and stone. It is called vision and labor. Show any of these cities to a primitive man that has never left the jungle and he will certainly declare it magic.

Great stone masonry =
a. Alien assistance
b. Magick
c. Great stone masonry

Why did they not include documentation on how they built the pyramids?
I do not believe that motivational psychology is within the course-work of most archaeologists. Don't comprehend how their failure to follow modern precepts is indicative of any sorcery.

Not just any star, but a certain one
Any shaft will indeed display a star. Now where did you get the notion that these particular stars were the result of a desired effect? A constellation is not a natural, but an arbitrary grouping. The constellation of Orion (even if if it had significance-which it doesn't) is a Greek concept, not an Egytpian one.



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