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Re: Incest [Re: kaiowas]
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i believe we evolved to not agree with incest since incesties cannot survive on a long enough genetic time line. the number of people who participate in incest are so little, that our society shouldn't care to take interest in accepting it. lets just live with it, and watch the monkeys die out.

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Re: Incest [Re: Swami]
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borrowed from society-at-large...


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Re: Incest [Re: TheHateCamel]
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TheHateCamel said:
We are animals, and I want to use primates as modles for primal instinct.



The idea that we are animals is an pure speculation. The idea that we are primates is not proven, either. Although monkeys and other primates do resemble us in many ways, this is not proof that we evolved from them.

I cannot prove that we didn't evolve from lower lifeforms. You can't prove that we did.


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Re: Incest [Re: catalyst777]
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"I cannot prove that we didn't evolve from lower lifeforms. You can't prove that we did."

Vestigial tails and our appendix are pretty good indicators that we were once something that had a tail and ate things that needed an appendix to grind.. were we created seperately such things would not be neccessary and in fact would be detrimental, since the energy spent on them could be better used for, say, a larger wang.
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Re: Incest [Re: catalyst777]
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catalyst777 said:
The idea that we are animals is an pure speculation. The idea that we are primates is not proven, either. Although monkeys and other primates do resemble us in many ways, this is not proof that we evolved from them.

I cannot prove that we didn't evolve from lower lifeforms. You can't prove that we did.



PURE speculation? Or is there all sorts of genetical similarities and all sorts of other little pieces of evidence?

Myself, I thought we were all done playing the "I say this, I can't prove it, but YOU can't prove the other one, so ha" card.

Not that evolution is something that makes sense or anything..  :shocked:
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Re: Incest [Re: LoveForGrowth]
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LoveForGrowth said:
i believe we evolved to not agree with incest since incesties cannot survive on a long enough genetic time line.



if we take into account everything the bible tells us, *laughs  :shake: then we are all the products of a wierd kind of incest...  eve was actually a part of adam, so when god started us off, he kind of screwed us, and i feel like adam was screwing himself... quite literally...  :thumbup:

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Re: Incest [Re: Strumpling]
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Actually genetically speaking, its not okay, doesnt that result in the weakining of strong characteristics, makes the offspring very weak? Sure the blood lines will be close, but the genes wont hold up... am i right, or no?

If you took this into consideration, being the ANIMAL that you are (if you think evolution has ANY validity), wouldnt your prime concern be to find the best genetic partner? And not that of your *cough* sister?


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Re: Incest [Re: Zero7a1]
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If you took this into consideration, being the ANIMAL that you are (if you think evolution has ANY validity), wouldnt your prime concern be to find the best genetic partner? And not that of your *cough* sister?

Availability, my man, availability. (Besides, have you seen my sister - woo-woo!)Actually is the female that must be selective (due to the long gestation period) not the male. His biological goal is to impregnate as many females as he can (modern human society not withstanding).


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Re: Incest [Re: Swami]
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Warped words, warped mind.


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Re: Incest [Re: Ego Death]
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Actually, he appears to be right. (couldn't dare say "seem" :grin:)

We have evolved and taken on a lot of different concepts and roles, but our animal instincts are still there, trying to get us to carry on the race... its funny how easily the smartest can fall.... instincts have some power, my friend, it is like they can hit an override button that forces action and completely ignores our evovled concepts of logic and everything...
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Re: Incest [Re: fireworks_god]
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There are two issues regarding incest.

Moral issues, and genetic issues.

Moral wise - This is strictly opinionated, and tied to the current dogmas and limitations of societal belief patterns.

Genetic - I myself havent seen any evidence that would likewise make me think incest is deteriorating to the human condition in anyway, but I am always open to such forms of evidence. There is rumor that I've heard (I call it rumor because I alone am ignorant to any supporting facts, nor am I a breeder) that breeding certain animals purebreed makes the dumb. I'm not sure if this has any connection to the argument at present.

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Re: Incest [Re: Swami]
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well i wasnt speaking in the terms of just bro and sis, but you know... close family male to female, female to male, regardless, my point was just that its bad for the human to consider inbreeding when it can result in bad genetic coupling.. Im glad i dont have to worry about sleeping with my sister... i dont have one!

+ i think after so many generation of cousins, what is it... first, second? That you dont have to worry about the genes fucking up? Anyway..

Im gonna head in another direction now...


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Re: Incest [Re: Zero7a1]
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Speaking of bad genetic coupling...

A few generations back, two first cousins married each other on my mom's side of the family. I think more than just one of them had ADHD. I think they both had it.

Everyone on my mom's side of the family has had it, I believe. I have it, and all my kids have it.


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Re: Incest [Re: Frog]
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Are you descendants of them? If not than it would have no direct affect on you. What i have wondered in my own ranting thoughts, is that ADHD and ADD are social disorders... caused by too much information... people are just not able to adjust while other are... I dont know... maybe not, anyway, if you were descendants of them... Interbreeding is a means to which keep certain traits more expressive.

I think its pointles... perosonally... being a concious thinking speaking animal... i would have to say that i would be interested in "playing the stakes" find a nice woman... and making some truely insanely new kick ass offspring... New.. New New... Push the envelope!


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Re: Incest [Re: Zero7a1]
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Yes, my mom is a direct descendant. No, ADHD is not caused by too much information, but I suppose that's not pertinent to this thread. Personally, I think ADHD people are just way too smart and weren't supposed to use as much of their brain that they do, so they short-circuit.

Anyways, it most definitely would be pushing the stakes to make a new offspring. What if you get a new breed of child that is smarter than others, but has some PITA (pain in the ass) attribute, as accompanies ADHD?


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Re: Incest [Re: Frog]
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shit, im sure i was a pain in the ass child. My childhood has been nothing but hurdles and jumps to overcome.. i know ive been a thorn in my moms arse at times, but its just been hard. A lot of teachers thought i had ADD, and i was going to fuck up in school, but i got really fucked up and when i had this meeting and all this crap happened and i lost a family membe i did better in school after that... But you just have to roll with the punches. I wouldnt want to use the old gene information, i would make new, push the envelope, thats  what evolution is about though right... make new things, so they can adapt. We will need smarter people each generation, just to make up for all the idiots tthat are messing with stuff now :wink: .

Incest as breeding i dont think is a good idea, incest for some sort of sexual gratification... dont ask me, cause i wouldnt do it, why? Cause i have aquired my own stance towards sex, feelings, and family members, along with my intrigue with other *cough* people, sometimes i day dream about hot alien women...  :blush: ... ive gone too far...  lol


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Re: Incest [Re: Frog]
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Frog said:
  Yes, my mom is a direct descendant.  No, ADHD is not caused by too much information, but I suppose that's not pertinent to this thread.  Personally, I think ADHD people are just way too smart and weren't supposed to use as much of their brain that they do, so they short-circuit.

Anyways, it most definitely would be pushing the stakes to make a new offspring.  What if you get a new breed of child that is smarter than others, but has some PITA (pain in the ass) attribute, as accompanies ADHD?



What are the causes of ADHD?  Attention Deficit?  That sounds like someone that can process information faster than others, in a sense smarter, but not neccassarily..  what evidence do you have that there's short circuit-ing of the brain in people with ADHD?

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Re: Incest [Re: Swami]
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Psychologically damaging, yes. The existance of it happening is easily explainable when emotions are left aside. Especially by someone who has faced those troubles himself.

Into the idea of the genetic mutations that come from inbreeding is not necessarily a harmful thing, maybe it's just a misconception that has to do with being outkast from a certain society for doing it.

The way I am able to look at it where it doesn't effect my emotions is to literally remove the thought of my emotions.

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Re: Incest [Re: Droz]
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The best case to look at for insight into genetic damage caused by inbreeding is dogs.
Many breeds of dogs are predisposed to hip dysplexia. dalmations are especially predisposed to deafness. Some breeds, it's blindness; some breeds, back problems, or nasal problems (although back/nasal problems are more often than not more related to the build of the dog's body than any actual genetic mixup -- dachshunds and bassets for back problems due to their odd shape, and bulldogs and other short-snouted dogs for nasal problems due to the extremely compacted shape of their nose).
As we interbred certain breeds for certain features, and thus basically created new breeds, we also bred them for their genetic problems. All dog breeds are really the end result of many generations of interbreeding, aka incest.


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Re: Incest [Re: Swami]
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Someone takes a particularly keen interest in this topic...:smirk:

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