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Re: Never to Harm Others [Re: Swami]
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>> So how and where does one draw the line? How does one follow a vague precept? (Swami)

A vow of this nature is not meant to be viewed as a sustained effort to meet or exceed a higher standard. To some, creating a demand for meat does not constitute harm against living beings. If not, then they are able to distance themselves from the reality that the meat they are consuming was once a living being. I fall into this category. Though in the back of my mind I know that the chicken fillet I just cooked was once a living being, I still have the capacity to consume it even today.

Presently, the vow means to me never to intentionally do such a thing as kick a dog, kill a spider, or become physically or verbally aggressive with the people that I meet. At this stage, that is sufficient. As I develop spiritually along my path, more actions may be included as my awareness and conviction increases. Perhaps someday soon, I will make an effort to avoid eating meat products, or to stop wearing leather. Making radical adjustments to one's lifestyle should be done only when a person is prepared for those adjustments.

Some people might find it ethically acceptable to hunt for food, as a means of honouring the cycle of life, or otherwise. These people may take the same vow. To them it may mean never to waste a part of the animal they hunted, raise their voice at those they encounter, or become violent without necessity. This is as much of an acceptable standard as any.

What matters is the sincere intention to be mindful, not to harm, to make a difference.



>> this makes me wonder why many of us don't have this intent already within us. (kaiowas)

Personally, I believe it to be partly because we have a tendancy as living beings to put ourselves before all others. We all assign highest priority to our needs and wants, which invariably creates conflict. Not all people's needs and wants can be met. When two more individuals have the same objective but see that only one can have the prize, there arises the conditions for violence and chaos.

If we can reorient this view and attain a strong sense of equanimity, we can discover the peace of cherishing others as much as we cherish ourselves.



>> i have an ethical delema with this one, because although i believe in not harming any of gods creatures, i come from a classical hebrew sect and must perform the sacraficial rites every sabbath with my grand father.

>> YHWH tells us animals are created to be used by us, and he also tells us to sacrafice animals at each day of sam-hara. THIS is the main reason buddhist ideology was put on the scroll of eternal shame by the zionist elders. (PHARMAKOS)

I'm sorry to hear of this. It was certainly not my intent to transgress on the belief systems of others, especially since this holiday season is held in accord by the Jewish faith as well.

It seems as though the sacifice of animals does not sit well with you. I hope you are able to resolve your dilemma clearly. The only advice I can offer for this type of scenario is to follow your heart to the best of your ability. Do not fear reprisal from your grandfather, but at the same time do not dishonour him. Maintain clarity as you weigh this issue, and pay close attention to your feelings, thoughts and inclinations.


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Re: Never to Harm Others [Re: Swami]
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Swami said:
It is called "appeal to historical antecedent" or because my forefathers did it or tradition. This is one of the many fallacies of giving away our own power to think and setting others up as experts.


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Re: Never to Harm Others [Re: fireworks_god]
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If you don't want to harm any living being, I suppose you can't eat plants either, becauce digging up a root or picking a berry would essentially kill it.

I'll just stick with my current vow, thank you, which is not to harm any human or animal that didn't ask for it. If a dobermann comes running at me to remove one of my ankles, he'd better get out of my way.

"Provoke not, but retaliate with furious anger." => guess that pretty much sums it up.

Disclaimer: don't try this at home in any given situation. Always outweigh the advantages of beating so-and-so up if they make an honest attempt to do so unto you. The author of the above does not feel responsible to take himself serious, and neither should you.


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Re: Never to Harm Others [Re: Alan Stone]
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I'll just stick with my current vow, thank you, which is not to harm any human or animal that didn't ask for it. If a dobermann comes running at me...

I don't believe in rape, but if a woman comes up to me wearing a mini-skirt and halter top, well...


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