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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Luke]
    #4761143 - 10/06/05 12:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"i think the add campaigns that show these adolsecent looking girls(and guys) are just tapping into the biological tendencies of all of us. if we weren't naturally more attracted to the younger girls, why would their images be plastered everywhere?"

This reminds me of my first girlfriend who was bulimic. She used to say how emaciatedly thin women are the ideal. I would tell her that that body type is unhealthy and unrealistic. Big beautiful curves were normal, and ideal, i would tell her. But she would continue to defend her POV by telling me to look at advertising. "All the models and girls on TV have this ideal body! Why would they be so desired, and photographed so much, if it wasn't the ideal body?" I'd go on to say that it was a cultural thing and that it has been mainly pushed by mass media and consumerism... etc, etc...

She obviously thought that this was an ideal body type because of her mental disorder (and trust me, she was mentally disordered!!). She was conditioned by society and her own disatisfaction with her own body, that nothing could convince her that this "ideal" was nothing more than a cultural construct. I think we should keep this in mind when we talk about "ideal sexuality"...

But there is no doubt that once a girl hits puberty she can be sexy! I mean that's biology, as was said above. It follows that there is also something UNIQUELY sexy about girls on the CUSP of puberty. A blossoming sexuality, if you will.

So here we have the issue of cultural definitions of pedophilia. In the middle east, a 30 or 40 year old man can marry a 14 year old and it is not pedophilia. They might say that he is too old, but it is not illegal and considered perverted like in the U.S.

But I think we can also assume that no culture exists where it is normal for a girl to marry BEFORE puberty. She cannot bear children, and is not a woman. There is no purpose for her to marry.

Would this be a universal definition of pedophilia? If not then what would be? Is pedophilia a cultural concept, or is a universal archetype? And do Western Standards of Beauty rely on an implicit pedophilic desire for a prepubescent body-type?


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4768873 - 10/07/05 02:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Pedophilia was a norm since Ancient Greece till the 20th Century.



Did this include sexual actions ? I think, if at all, it was not the main factor...




It definitely included sexual actions. Those Greeks and Romans were a bunch of dirty pederasts. During the middle ages in Europe, it wasn't uncommon for 13 year olds to get married to men that were two, three, or four times their age. In less developed regions of the world, this still continues.
Not until the Victorian era did pedophilia fall out of favor in Occidental society.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4772712 - 10/08/05 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm going to admit something to the Shroomery that I have never before told anyone else. As a young boy, I was seduced into having oral sex with a 14 year old teen boy. It hasn't exactly effected me a whole lot (That is to say I'm mentally sound and not nessesarily scarred from the experience) or ruined my life, there is still one thing that came as a result that I can not help, or could not forseen before the attraction began. Once I reached about age 15, I began to have fantasies of young girls. Really young girls. I hated it. I couldn't stop these urges, and I knew it was weird from a current social standpoint.

These things continue on even today, and it feels horrible, but my brain made the connections that it did and it would take a lot of work to reverse what my attraction has become. It's young girls. Anywhere from 9-12 (But, it should be noted that I still find girls my own age attractive). You want to talk about not feeling like you get a choice to be attracted to who you want to be? Having the strongest urge to look at the prepubescent buttocks, but realizing what it makes you and how it makes you look. I'm not some horrible person, and my greatest defense is simply that I didn't choose it, or I didn't have the tools needed to nip it in the bud when it began.

When a 12 year old walks in with short tight shorts on, and she nicely shaped assets, does no man look? What happenes when he does look? Is it disgusting? Is it attractive? Does he find it disgusting that it could he could possibly be attracted if he let himself cater to that urge? I wonder what other guys do as far as this age of girl is concerned. If you guys would fill me in, I would love to know and be able to compare.

That's when I also made the connection, as you have, to current models. They're shaven. They're skinny. They're like little girls. In fact, it's ALMOST a turn off to see pubic hair. Some guys like their women thick, I like them petite. I'm sure many other men do too, but that doesn't nessesarily mean they like little girls (Though, I'll bet if they grew up in a social environment where marriage and sex with 12 year olds was normal then they would have no problem with it). What kind of women DO you guys like? How does it compare with prepubescent girls?

Note: I want it to be known that I would never innappropriately touch a young child in any way, even if, perhaps, provoked. I agree that they simply aren't developed enough psychologically to handle that kind of activity, especially with somebody as old as I am (18).


Edited by SketchyTX05 (10/08/05 02:19 PM)


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: SketchyTX05]
    #4773596 - 10/08/05 06:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you for sharing...

"When a 12 year old walks in with short tight shorts on, and she nicely shaped assets, does no man look? What happenes when he does look? Is it disgusting? Is it attractive? Does he find it disgusting that it could he could possibly be attracted if he let himself cater to that urge? I wonder what other guys do as far as this age of girl is concerned. If you guys would fill me in, I would love to know and be able to compare."

If a girl has a nice shape, guys are going to notice, even if it is culturally taboo. And if americas' sex icons have the bodies of 10 year old girls...


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #4773838 - 10/08/05 07:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

One can admire a rose without trying to eat it.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4774157 - 10/08/05 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

exactly


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4774214 - 10/08/05 10:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree, which is why administration in the [A] Miami middle school that I work in decided in putting kids in uniforms this year. Midriffs were always against the dress code, and I would frequently tell 13-14 year old girls to "get outa my face," and "give me a break, I'm an old man, wanna give me a heart attack?," when they would swarm me at my desk. I don't want to see a 12 year old in tight hip huggers that says "Juicy" on her pubescent buttocks, neither do I want to see them in push-up bras.

Since the school year began, behavior has been different. With the absence of female sexually provocative clothes, the resultant male arousal rate has been greatly diminished. On picture day, kids were allowed to wear street clothes and the atmosphere was crackling with derepressed sexual energy again. We had two [MILF] mommies show up and complain that the new uniforms did not allow their daughters to display their femininity! Pardon the apparent bias, but a lot of Brazilian and other Latin American cultural attitudes are behind 'Brazilian jeans' and other provocative female styles. Meanwhile, while girls wear clothing that is notably two sizes too small, boys would continue to wear clothes that are two sizes too large. I'm against quelling adolescent expression, but I am equally against precocious adolescent sexual acting out.




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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4775553 - 10/09/05 03:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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One can admire a rose without trying to eat it.




Not in this culture. Psychiatric and legal orthodoxy regard such "admirers" as potential rapists and molesters.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #4775920 - 10/09/05 07:01 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think pedophilia is becoming more taboo, and more common, and I think that the two are closely linked.

As a male, you can't really say something like "that's a pretty little girl" without being looked at like a pervert, yet tons of twelve year olds dress like Britney Spears.

I think that people are subconciously drawn to taboos. Little girls sexualize themselves, and society becomes far more strict about condemning pedophilia. The news is filled with information on anti-child porn campaigns, and people are constantly expressing their disgust for pedophiles publicly.

People become somewhat afraid of being/being seen as a pedophile. It becomes something that they're constantly aware of "why did I look at that girl? I'm not attracted to her, am I? I don't think a little girl is beautiful, do I?"

Of course, there are lots of beautiful little children, a fact we all readily commented on 100 years ago. But now, thinking that a child is beautiful is immediately linked with thinking you want to have sex with them. People become so afraid of thinking about that, that they think about it all the time.

Fetishes and various things that attract people are built into culture. Spanking used to be a MUCH bigger fetish back when people grew up being spanked in schools.

We might end up with so many pedophiles in the future, that a campaign to view it more liberally becomes more mainstream.

The idea that acting against them could be creating them is kind of scary. Then again, maybe they aren't more common, and it just seems that way. But it sure seems like child porn is a major commodity.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #4776702 - 10/09/05 01:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ever notice the tendency of males to be into youthful females, yet a lot of females are into older men?

Just a thought from our evolutionary roots:

Take a look into the wild. As a male creature of a social species, your goal is to spread your seed. Now, do you go looking for the older females that are less likely to be fertile? or do you go for the females that have reached a childbearing age, but are still in their prime to bear offspring?

Now, as a female creature in a social species, do you want to bear the offspring of a well-established male who has proven himself to be fit genetical material? or do you settle for the male specimen who is still young and weak?

The ideal mate for males of the species, just so happen to be the younger females. And the opposite is true for the females.

Seeming as how our society is the product of the evolution of species, in some sense, I see it as being natural for males to be attracted to the ideal of a woman in prime child-bearing years...

Consciousness has given our females a much greater chance to present themselves as "ideal mates", and thus, to me it seems natural for the "ideal" figure to be that of a younger woman...

That being said, I feel I have some sense of the situation, but PEDERASTS SHOULD DIE!


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Phluck]
    #4776754 - 10/09/05 01:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Here's my take:

I don't think about age when I notice sexual appeal. If a female is sexually mature (large breasts, shapely hips, etc..) and attractive, then I am going to notice (as will all other heterosexual males). I've seen girls as young as 14 that met that criteria and I've seen women that were much older that met that criteria.

I will say that anybody out there who is sexually attracted to non-developed girls has a serious problem though.

Looking and acting are two different things. Will I look at a shapely 15 year old girl? Probably. Am I going to pursue a shapely 15 year old girl? No. A girl that young is probably incapable of a serious relationship and it is irresponsible for an older person to take advantage of her.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4777135 - 10/09/05 03:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Everything is more beautiful when it is untouched, innocence and still pure. The sexual attraction seems out of place to me, like some sort of mistake. Models tried to add some sexy flare to the innocent girl image and got out of control. You can see it in their eyes, they don't really have it, they are just actresses most of the time.

It seems cyclical. It seems like older women try to mirror young girls because they miss the simple attractiveness of their youth and then the little girls try to mirror their elders, grasping for understanding at the cusp of their innocence and approaching sexual maturity. It's difficult to be content.

I'm not prepubescent, I'm 19, but I feel often feel as innocent as I did when I was a child. Am I just fooling myself? I get really angry at people who look at me, touch me and talk to me while disregarding these feelings.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #4777137 - 10/09/05 03:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My post was supposed to be a reply to the main one...oops.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Jaimie]
    #4777152 - 10/09/05 03:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What is innocence? Can an old man, or old lady be innocent?


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Unagipie]
    #4777220 - 10/09/05 03:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes! I think it's a choice, but I'm not sure if it's possible to ever regain the same innocence of our youth. I don't think it is.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4778066 - 10/09/05 07:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

RF I think you hit the nail on the head. It's natural to want to look and even become aroused. Nothing wrong with that. But there are other (social) factors that come into play with girls in their young teens, that keep older guys from pursuing them.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: moog]
    #4778157 - 10/09/05 07:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

but I'm not talking about girls who are sexually mature/maturing. This isn't really pedophilia. I'm talking about undeveloped girls... PREPUBSCENT.

Does the connotation of innocence play an intrinsic role in pathological pedophilia? Whether it's an admiration of innocence or an urge to destroy it?

and for the record, I don't believe in youthful innocence. Children can often be more cruel than adults... and it's because they just don't know any better. This isn't innocence, it's ignorance.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: absolute zero]
    #4778511 - 10/09/05 09:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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That being said, I feel I have some sense of the situation, but PEDERASTS SHOULD DIE!




Why?
I feel they should be awarded public service medals in honor of their enterprising libertinage.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Unagipie]
    #4778517 - 10/09/05 09:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What is innocence?




It seems very similar to ignorance.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #4778540 - 10/09/05 09:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is discussing Ephebophilia more than pedophilia.
(Ephebophilia = attraction to post-pubescent adolescents. Pedophilia = attraction to prepubescent)

I think being involved in sexual activities at too young an age can be damaging. I don't know enough about the subject to tell when its damaging and when it is not, but I think a fourteen-year-old is old enough to be mounted without any problems.


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