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OfflineSketchyTX05
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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #4778939 - 10/09/05 11:01 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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but I'm not talking about girls who are sexually mature/maturing. This isn't really pedophilia. I'm talking about undeveloped girls... PREPUBSCENT.

Does the connotation of innocence play an intrinsic role in pathological pedophilia? Whether it's an admiration of innocence or an urge to destroy it?

and for the record, I don't believe in youthful innocence. Children can often be more cruel than adults... and it's because they just don't know any better. This isn't innocence, it's ignorance.





It is hard for me to say what different aspect of young girls attracts me. If it had to do with innocence for most men, they would probably go for all ages of children -- but you'll find that MOST pedophiles are attracted to girls between the ages of 8 and 12. I think that it may have some part to do with innocence, which can be very attractive to some extent, even in older women, but also you have to look at it being taboo. What happens when YOU are into something not accepted by the general public? When in that activity, it is even more sexually arousing (If the taboo activity is indeed sexual). For some reason, which may play deep into our being human, it feels wrong and right at the same time to do something that is agaionst the grain, and that wrongness of it just hightens every aspect. I've yet to read anything regarding this matter, so it is difficult to say just what is going on in the brain while this, the activity that is taboo, is going on.

Think about a pedophile for a moment, if you will. It is very, and I stress very, easy to think of them as really sick people, and perhaps even perverts. Even though I am (unwillingly) attracted to prepubescent girls, when I hear about other pedophiles who like the same age range, I'm almost sickened! Hypocracy at its finest. I think of those men with their balding heads and nasty mustaches on the news who video taped or even had sex with kids against their will. I think of guys lurking behind bushes watching kids on the playground, getting their jollies from their childlike playing.

This isn't what most of us, who are attracted to these younger girls, are like. Most of us feel this way not by choice -- much in the same way homosexuals feel like they didn't have a choice in their sexual preference (Though, luckily, most pedophiles are still attracted to other women their age). I'll be completely honest here for you guys -- so you can hear something from "the other side" that might give you perspective. If a ten year old walks in (And she is one of those with a fair face, and you could tell that when she grows up she will be attractive), I WILL look at her and, like I would (and you would) with any other woman, I sexually evaluate this ten year old girl. It is completely engrained into the male mind to sexually evaluate other women that you would deem, at least on one level, fit to mate with (Though not nessesarily to bear children). This is no different.

Sure, I could stop myself, but, what's the point? It isn't harming anyone. My attraction isn't going to go away because I refuse to entertain it. All I can do is just promise myself that I would never hurt a kid. Never. Sex, or ANY other related activity (Kissing, groping, holding) is not appropriate. Not nessesarily because biologically they can't handle the lighter stuff, but, in todays society they can't handle it. We all have to fit the mold in some form or another, and our society has little room for "sexually molested" (by todays standards) children. Even if they wanted you to touch them. It's simply not fit for society in 2005.



I accept comments, and even insults or outrage at my post. I understand that it is a very difficult concept to swallow -- and we all, including myself, hold on to our own thoughts and feelings about big subjects like this.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: SketchyTX05]
    #4779108 - 10/09/05 11:30 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I appreciate your honest :thumbup:

I've been thinking about this... How much damage is done by the sexual act alone and how much damage is done by society telling the victim that they've been harmed or abused in some way. Suggestion is a powerful.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: SketchyTX05]
    #4780618 - 10/10/05 04:04 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I was just thinking about what you said, about how it's not hurting anyone and I'm not sure if it's true. A good male friend of mine told me once about his sexual fantasies involving prepubescent girls. This man also claimed to be in love with me, maybe that is relevant. When he told me about these fantasies I got really angry with him, very unaccepting. I think it's because it hurt me. It didn't hurt me because I thought it was wrong, but because it made me feel inadequate, as though I was old, used up, dirty and worthless...and I was only 18 years old.

Maybe I'm just jealous, a bad person, too insecure, but I still consider that maybe the affinity men have for prepubescent girls causes women who have passed that stage, who no longer look that way, to feel inadequate.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4780704 - 10/10/05 04:42 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
The problem you discuss here is not inherant to the teenage mind. This is an attitude implanted in the teenage mind by dysfunctional adults. In a society where children see their married mothers with boyfriends on the side (my brother in law's son once asked my wife "Don't you have a boyfriend? My mommy is married and she has one.") or who have a new "daddy" once a year or every 6 months, a poor example for sexual behavior is set. The example the absent fathers set is just as bad. They demonstrate to their sons that once children are fathered it is time to move on and impregnate more women. It is worth noting that both of my daughters (15 and 18) have no interest in dressing in sexually explicit fashion. They dress like demented freaks to be sure, but they express their individuality with a variety of colors, textures, and styles; not by showing flesh or displaying filthy words on their body. The issue is self respect and it is a matter of upbringing purely.





Very true. In the past 50-60 years, America and Western culture has taken a nose-dive. As we try to "integrate" people from vastly different cultures, our cultural values disintegrate. I wish I lived in a place where divorce was still a dirty word. Instead, the media mongers and multiculturalists have convinced us that it's fine to be a pervert. Not that I'm Pat Roberston here trying toconvert anyone, but I think that a healthy society is one modelled after generations of sucess.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: absolute zero]
    #4780864 - 10/10/05 05:27 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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That being said, I feel I have some sense of the situation, but PEDERASTS SHOULD DIE!




I don't think anyone is talking about pederasty here. Pederasty is sex between an older man and a teenage boy.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: SketchyTX05]
    #4780868 - 10/10/05 05:29 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

You are quite brave to share your story with us. Thank you.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Unagipie]
    #4781743 - 10/10/05 12:24 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)



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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Jaimie]
    #4781783 - 10/10/05 12:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

"It didn't hurt me because I thought it was wrong, but because it made me feel inadequate, as though I was old, used up, dirty and worthless...and I was only 18 years old."

Ultimately you "made" yourself feel inadequate but it appears you had a lot of help. 

A lot of women go through those same kind of feelings when their lover is attracted to or has an affair with a woman half his age.  Most of those women are 40 and the younger woman is 20.  In your case with this guy, she is 10.  :blush:

Are you still in love with him?


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4782128 - 10/10/05 01:41 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Yeah, I accept that it was my fault ultimately, it's just hard to control sometimes. I was actually never in love with him :undecided: , which was the catalyst, in the end, for the demise of our friendship.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Jaimie]
    #4785042 - 10/10/05 11:38 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Jaimie said:
It didn't hurt me because I thought it was wrong, but because it made me feel inadequate, as though I was old, used up, dirty and worthless...and I was only 18 years old.

Maybe I'm just jealous, a bad person, too insecure, but I still consider that maybe the affinity men have for prepubescent girls causes women who have passed that stage, who no longer look that way, to feel inadequate.




And this brings us back to idea of a dysfunctional standard of beauty in American culture...


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #5495675 - 04/09/06 08:15 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

you people are fucked

i hope you all have daughters


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Noetical]
    #5496893 - 04/09/06 05:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Someone certainly is jealous. :shocked:

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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5496972 - 04/09/06 05:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'm jealous.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #5498059 - 04/09/06 11:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

in most people, and most cultures, the biggest determinant of physical attractiveness is a mark of health or fitness to conceive, carry, birth, and/or raise children. young, (but post-adolescent), athletic bodies are attractive. i think that this is still the predominant standard in the west.

Skinny.

usually not to the point of unhealthiness, but yes, skinnier than average. we are a fat culture. unattractively so. it's natural that those who are considered attractive are thinner than average.

Youthful.

youth and the vitality of youth are considered sexy for a reason, and it's got nothing to do with pedophilia.

Not a pimple or blemish.

pimples, blemishes, scars, infections, etc. do not look healthy and so are unsexy.

But you know what girls DO look like this? Prepubescent girls!

and healthy, young, adult women who make suitable mates for breeding. it's evolution.

there is definitely something to what you're saying (look at how much porn advertizes on how young the actresses are, "barely 18"...), but i do disagree with the general accusation. there is nothing wrong with being attracted to physically fit, youthful, healthy women. the pubic hair shaving/short trimming is a recent trend more common among both women and men than 15 years ago, and for reasons other than a pedophilia thing IMO.

i think that there is actually undue pressure on men to overcome their natural and healthy attraction to athletically-built women in favor of fatter, less toned, and less healthy\attractive "natural" women. when we stray far away from health and vigor in our cultural standards of attractiveness, towards the pre-adolescent, submissive, naive, etc., then i'll agree that there is a problem. it seems they have a problem with this in japan. i don't think that we do in america and western europe.

that said, my personal preference is for girls with a little thickness on them, and naivete, submissiveness, and virginity do nothing for me. it's a big turnoff if a woman tells me she's a virgin. i want a liberated woman who has some experience, knows what she wants, and isn't afraid to enjoy sex. i never understood the virgin thing. i do prefer that girls shave their pubes because it's just cleaner and more pleasant to be around, not because i like them to look prepubescent.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: wilshire]
    #5498640 - 04/10/06 02:39 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

16 year old girls are fun to fuck.

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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: wilshire]
    #5499643 - 04/10/06 02:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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wilshire said:
in most people, and most cultures, the biggest determinant of physical attractiveness is a mark of health or fitness to conceive, carry, birth, and/or raise children. young, (but post-adolescent), athletic bodies are attractive. i think that this is still the predominant standard in the west.

Skinny.

usually not to the point of unhealthiness, but yes, skinnier than average. we are a fat culture. unattractively so. it's natural that those who are considered attractive are thinner than average.

Youthful.

youth and the vitality of youth are considered sexy for a reason, and it's got nothing to do with pedophilia.





Yes of course it is natural to be attracted to women who look physically healthy. But I don't think that's what the original post was about. Dromni was talking about pre-pubescent characteristics, and I would have to agree with him. Our media is saturated with images of women who not only look unhealthy in terms of how emaciated they are, how flat-chested flat-butted and no-hipped, but who literally have been air-brushed to the point that their proportions wouldn't occur naturally in a human being.

I think when our ideal of beauty has surpassed what naturally occurs, and is this bizarre blend of childlike and godlike imagined qualities, we should at least stop and acknowledge it. Yes, it is true that pedophilia has existed in many cultures for a long time. But our culture is saturated with images that are designed to titillate and arouse our consumer sensibilities, which is relatively new. The image of a women's body is the single most powerful tool in advertising. Advertisers aren't concerned with beauty or pedophilia or morality or anything, they are interested in exploiting images for making money.

My point is that pedophilia's current manifestation in images in the media is actually connected to the West's ingrained sense of guilt and shame about pedophilia. If pedophilia was an accepted cultural tradition, models who look so prepubescent and helpless yet somehow powerful would not be so vogue. As a consumer culture saturated with products providing instant gratification GUILTY pleasure is perhaps the most potent form of pleasure, and thats why I think pre-pubescent girls who tend to be viewed as if they have mystique and innocence make the most consistently striking image.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #5506486 - 04/12/06 04:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I have a deep suspicion that the people who produce the pre-pubescent style of beauty are mostly homosexual men, and other women.

  • Like the miss america, or miss universe contests. All gay guys and women.

  • Like the supermodel crosswalks. All gay guys and other women.

Heterosexual Men, when in charge, will pick attractive girls somewhere between the age of 16 and 20. These woman will have large breasts, and shapely hips. They will definately NOT look pre-pubescent.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: David_Scape]
    #5506864 - 04/12/06 09:02 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Heterosexual Men, when in charge, will pick attractive girls somewhere between the age of 16 and 20. These woman will have large breasts, and shapely hips




I am a heterosexual man, and I am most certainly NOT attracted to sixteen year old girls with large breasts.  Just because somebody doesn't see beauty the way you do does not mean that person is homosexual.  Talk about ego... :rolleyes:


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: dr0mni]
    #5508340 - 04/12/06 04:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Theres a reference to this concept in the movie 'Donnie Darko'.


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Re: Pedophilia and Western Standards of Beauty [Re: Seuss]
    #5508369 - 04/12/06 04:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

16 to 20 may be a bad number. I just picked a youthful age and went with it. Also, I am going by what I believe would be the average desired attributes males would find attractive, and not necessarily my own. So, all percieved arrogance aside.

My main contention was that the people running the fashion industry and others, are often gay men and other women.

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Just because somebody doesn't see beauty the way you do does not mean that person is homosexual.





I wonder if you are serious with this one... You think that I think everyone who doesn't see beauty the way I do is homosexual?


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