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little sister has kidney infection
    #10025826 - 03/23/09 02:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My little sister is terminally ill with leukemia and she is getting very close to the end.  Today she was admitted to the hospital with a kidney infection.  I just ask that you all could pray for her so that she is not in much pain and that she could pull through for me to see her again.  I live in Florida and She is at home in Pa.  This has been a very hard time for my family and I just hope that things can get better for her before she is gone. 
I do not believe in religions but I do believe in a connection to a higher power and that is the being I ask things of
What ever your beliefs are pray for her and our family.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: chef Jay]
    #10025841 - 03/23/09 02:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My will power is just as powerful as any power in this universe.
And right now, it goes out to your sister, best of luck man.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: chef Jay]
    #10025851 - 03/23/09 02:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

IMO prayer is meaningless as a means to help her.

Why are you posting this here?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10025956 - 03/23/09 02:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My heart goes out to you, your sister, and your family.

Thank you for letting us in on what is really going on in your life.

I understand why you posted this.

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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10025985 - 03/23/09 02:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'd try the physical and mental forum.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: k4ge]
    #10025987 - 03/23/09 02:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you know.... im sure this will come off as assholish. (i should just make that statement a macro to head all my P&S posts) But why do people take up these causes at these moments in time.

k, you believe in the power of prayer or positive thought... awesome. im not knocking that, but wouldnt it make more sense to just have all the people that do that kind of shit just do it for everyone all the time?

its like people like Christopher Reeves, I hated that douchebag. everyone was saying "omg, he is so brave" and you know, whatever, he fell off a horse, its the risk you take when riding a horse, it would have been a completely different public opinion had he had some accident off the coast of dubai on his 110 foot yacht. But that isnt what got me, what got me was that he suddenly wanted to raise all this money and awareness about spinal chord injuries and research...
and still people want to say "oh he is so brave and charitable".... no he isnt, he is doing what everyone does in those situations where all avenues have been extinguished: the hope for a miracle.
it is a self serving agenda, maybe one of the most basic, inherent traits of almost all living things is the struggle to stay alive even in the face of imminent demise, but to disguise it as some selfless heroic act is just bullshit.

it is ultimately self-absorbed behaviour. save me!

but back to the point... so yeah, little girls getting lukemia are a far cry from the irony of superman being paralyzed by a horse, but why waste that energy?
seems like those bracelets people wear to show how they care 5$ more than you (plus it matched their outfit). it is such a hollow gesture... a formality of despair.
these people spend so much of their few remaining moments of their life after suddenly realizing how much they have taken life for granted, trying to extend their time, that they eventually die waiting for the governor to call.
im not saying one should abandon all hope, but when you get to the point of asking complete strangers to perform some mock gesture that they probably only tell you they performed to make you and themselves feel better... couldnt that time be better spent enjoying life, or coming to terms with death?

its like skydiving, and your parachute doesnt open.... do you flap your arms and try to fly for your last few minutes alive, or try to enjoy those last moments or atleast come to terms with death and your existence?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10026011 - 03/23/09 02:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

But that isnt what got me, what got me was that he suddenly wanted to raise all this money and awareness about spinal chord injuries and research...
and still people want to say "oh he is so brave and charitable".... no he isnt, he is doing what everyone does in those situations where all avenues have been extinguished: the hope for a miracle.
it is a self serving agenda, maybe one of the most basic, inherent traits of almost all living things is the struggle to stay alive even in the face of imminent demise, but to disguise it as some selfless heroic act is just bullshit.


Good for you for having the guts to state the illusive obvious.:thumbup:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10026063 - 03/23/09 02:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yawning Anus and Icelander,
Is this really the best time and place to sell your enlightened outlooks on life or suggest that the OP post in another forum?

Unbelievable!

Our fellow Shroomerite just asked for some support in a dark hour.

Have some taste.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026096 - 03/23/09 02:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think your posts here are the ones in poor taste.:thumbdown: Sorry dude. :shrug:

If you don't like this forum you are welcome to leave any time or ignore posts you don't like.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026107 - 03/23/09 02:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

what exactly about our posts is it that is so different than the other "helpful" posts?
I like to think that my assholish insight actually is helpful. maybe it isnt as compassionate and delicate as most would like, but I also think the bluntness provides a dynamic.

what good is outside perspective or philanthropy if you only want to hear your own reasoning reinforced or the same mistakes made over again?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10026165 - 03/23/09 03:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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what good is outside perspective or philanthropy if you only want to hear your own reasoning reinforced




Isn't that the entire point of M&P?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10026201 - 03/23/09 03:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Reply to Anus's Chris Reeves post:

But the original poster's appeal is ultimately based on a connection between him and his sister, rather than just his own. His appeal is ultimately built on an connection, or an awareness of "being in the world" rather than say, Chris Reeves biased appeal that is of "being in itself".

So if you are open to the prayer; or lets just call it compassion for simplicities sake (and this is streamlining the usual Ayn Rand rhetoric), I don't understand what else you could want from the guy. Should he be compassionate or thankful of existence relative to some problem he is not yet aware of? It seems to me the only way for something like this to play out, is to become aware of the world, and somehow deal with it. Call it reactionary, but what is the alternative?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: daytripper23]
    #10026307 - 03/23/09 03:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

preventive.

regarding the OP, like i said earlier, he is either wasting time shouting into the void trying to extend a life rather than enjoying that life (meaning, being with his sister), or he is trying to make himself feel better by buying "awareness" bracelets. some semi-tangible proof that youa re "compassionate" and you were active in the futile cause.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10026350 - 03/23/09 03:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ya'll have the right to say what you want.

Death is painful for everyone, regardless of what they might believe or don't believe.

IMO, when someone goes out on a limb, to ask for support and *gasp, gasp* prayers when they are in a dark hour, it would be in bad taste to analyze the validity of his request.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026363 - 03/23/09 03:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

it would be in bad taste to analyze the validity of his request.

Sources?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10026372 - 03/23/09 03:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

so when someone dies those close to that person have some sort of "do as i say" license for a while?

"pray for my relative or you are wrong!"


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10026436 - 03/23/09 03:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

YawningAnus said:
so when someone dies those close to that person have some sort of "do as i say" license for a while?

"pray for my relative or you are wrong!"




I just try to practice the same manners online as I would if I were face to face with someone.

The fact that you could be offended by a grieving person's humble request of a prayer for his dying sister is mindboggling.

Does this really need to be an argument?

No one asked you to buy a colored bracelet.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026454 - 03/23/09 03:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I just try to practice the same manners online as I would if I were face to face with someone.

Me too. And only if my physical safety would be compromised do I not.

The fact that you could be offended by a grieving person's humble request of a prayer for his dying sister is mindboggling.


Guess it doesn't take much to boggle your mind.:satansmoking:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10026470 - 03/23/09 03:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

*coughs* Pussy! *cough*


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10026476 - 03/23/09 03:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Where?  I want some.:D


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026497 - 03/23/09 03:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Think about it, for any of this to have any meaning, it must based upon meaningful conviction, or choice. Since it is a philosophy forum, we are just naturally assuming that this is going to be appreciated as something explicit, ideally as something genuine.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026501 - 03/23/09 03:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

My little sister is terminally ill with leukemia

Actually here's my real thoughts on this. I hope she dies quickly and painlessly and does not recover to suffer just so her family will not have to deal with their personal fears.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10026529 - 03/23/09 03:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

No one is asking for your thoughts, O Enlightened One.

Way to sum up the OP's family's emotions without knowing them.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026583 - 03/23/09 04:06 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Bite me. This is a debate forum and if you don't like it leave.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10026632 - 03/23/09 04:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It sounds as if you are the one who doesn't like to debate.

You have told me to leave twice, but I am comfortable here.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026658 - 03/23/09 04:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Then why are you constantly attacking other people?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026663 - 03/23/09 04:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Then deal with what I have to say about this subject. You somehow think you are the voice of reason here and right. I happen to think the opposite.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10026695 - 03/23/09 04:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I can respect that.

I don't feel like I have been attacking anyone, nor do I feel attacked by anyone.

I have said from the beginning of this that I understand that everyone has the right to say what they want.

I was only discussing whether some comments were in good taste.

I have opinions too.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10026740 - 03/23/09 04:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

And you are welcome to them here. I'm not asking for yours either but you got the right as I don't own this forum. Try and remember that.:thumbup:

Every time someone dying comes up as a subject this kind of shit happens. I think it's a hoot. It confirms for me everything I believe about human death anxiety.

Death, as natural as life and as necessary. Not to be viewed as a tragedy unless you want and need it to be that way. I've lived long enough to have watched friends and family die. I don't let it upset me much and when I do it's a private affair. Why would I want anyone to interfere with my personal processes?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10026768 - 03/23/09 04:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I've lived long enough to have watched friends and family die.




And some day the detectives will accrue enough evidence...


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10026772 - 03/23/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

They better hope they get here before I eat the evidence.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: chef Jay]
    #10026848 - 03/23/09 04:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to hear.
Best of luck for your sister.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Kickle]
    #10030786 - 03/24/09 03:34 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I can't believe you guys managed to hijack this thread. :thumbdown:

Go right ahead and make all sorts of threads on the topic, but someone obviously wants support; is it that hard to save your views on the topic for another thread and offer some simple words of kindness - without the logical deconstruction of it all?

"...do believe in a connection to a higher power" - this is probably why he posted it in this particular forum.

I don't wanna sound like (whatever the fuck I know you will call me) but have some tact and compassion. There are all sorts of ways you can try and justify this, but really, disconnect your logical brain for a second. My views are similar to yours, but shit, not the right time...



To the o.p, go spend time with her. I don't know why you aren't with her, and the reasons are probably understandable, but shit, just get there, go now. I can't imagine how I would feel if one of my immediate family were in that situation.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10030814 - 03/24/09 03:41 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Go right ahead and make all sorts of threads on the topic, but someone obviously wants support; is it that hard to save your views on the topic for another thread and offer some simple words of kindness - without the logical deconstruction of it all?




He could have posted in Physical & Mental Wellbeing if he chose.  P&S is for debate and logical analysis.  :shrug:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10030983 - 03/24/09 04:53 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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you know.... im sure this will come off as assholish. (i should just make that statement a macro to head all my P&S posts) But why do people take up these causes at these moments in time.

k, you believe in the power of prayer or positive thought... awesome. im not knocking that, but wouldnt it make more sense to just have all the people that do that kind of shit just do it for everyone all the time?

its like people like Christopher Reeves, I hated that douchebag. everyone was saying "omg, he is so brave" and you know, whatever, he fell off a horse, its the risk you take when riding a horse, it would have been a completely different public opinion had he had some accident off the coast of dubai on his 110 foot yacht. But that isnt what got me, what got me was that he suddenly wanted to raise all this money and awareness about spinal chord injuries and research...
and still people want to say "oh he is so brave and charitable".... no he isnt, he is doing what everyone does in those situations where all avenues have been extinguished: the hope for a miracle.
it is a self serving agenda, maybe one of the most basic, inherent traits of almost all living things is the struggle to stay alive even in the face of imminent demise, but to disguise it as some selfless heroic act is just bullshit.

it is ultimately self-absorbed behaviour. save me!

but back to the point... so yeah, little girls getting lukemia are a far cry from the irony of superman being paralyzed by a horse, but why waste that energy?
seems like those bracelets people wear to show how they care 5$ more than you (plus it matched their outfit). it is such a hollow gesture... a formality of despair.
these people spend so much of their few remaining moments of their life after suddenly realizing how much they have taken life for granted, trying to extend their time, that they eventually die waiting for the governor to call.
im not saying one should abandon all hope, but when you get to the point of asking complete strangers to perform some mock gesture that they probably only tell you they performed to make you and themselves feel better... couldnt that time be better spent enjoying life, or coming to terms with death?

its like skydiving, and your parachute doesnt open.... do you flap your arms and try to fly for your last few minutes alive, or try to enjoy those last moments or atleast come to terms with death and your existence?




I had a dream..
About a yawning anus.. as i was trying to butt fuck this black haired girl in my dream.
It started getting bigger .. and bigger.. up unto the point where it was bigger than  my waist..
You could see the pus.. the blood.. the shit...all of that..
And.. for some reason.. i wasnt scared... or disgusted..
I pushed it back together.
so i can keep fucking it.

I look at your comments , and ideas.. and i realize why i had that dream.

And im not judging you..
Dont get me wrong.. I just think.. you and some others , obviously miss the spirituality part of this section of the forum.
Yes.. it is for debate.
And yes.. you can always debate against it..
But..
Lets look at it this way..
Maybe he thought that some people are spiritual.. eat mushrooms.. and meditate..and could meditate on this..
Certain studies  have shown that group meditation can have a profound impact on other peoples emotional state , as well as health.
He never proposed a topic for debate. Didnt see you referring to the rules before you decided participate in this imaginary argument.
Icelander did... but also with a hint of his personal view on it.
And.. he didnt stop.
Maybe the OP broke through his spiritual crisis before by reading some wise council from another member of these boards.
Maybe.. he doesnt buy into false hope and self-absorbed behavior.
And maybe.. thats exactly why he came here.
Maybe.. he feels exactly the same way you do.. and he came here.. instead of buying a bracelet .. or going to church.
Maybe he thinks.. people here are different.
And maybe.. you just fucked that up.

I think christopher reeves is a faggot too.
And i absolutely cannot stand hypocritical compassion. Why didnt he raise funds before it happened to him ?

I think this kind of  ideology some of you guys presented  strives for originality so much , that it is sometimes blinding.

And.. i think the posts were not set out to argue  anything else , but their own controversy.


Im not angry..
Im debating.
And i argue your lack or perceptiveness.. and a judgment clouded by personal biases.
Which could be likened to the same accusation you have put out if we were to operate within your own framework of beliefs presented..
In other words..
>> your closing the anus.. so you could fuck it some more.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10031039 - 03/24/09 05:23 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Bite me. This is a debate forum and if you don't like it leave.




Actually no, this may be described as the debate forum, but as I said earlier, it wasn't that way until it devolved into a place for skeptics to pick on those with different ideas.  One of the principles in forcing the issue and remaking the Shroomery into his playground is in this thread.

Not every conversation has to be a debate, even in a "debate" forum.  Please notice I rarely debate here.

We had a few assholes that used to use opportunities like these to try and make people as miserable as they are/were.  Certain members come immediately to mind.  I consider them sad creatures and they have my deepest sympathies.

Let's remember where we are: The Shroooooomery.  Should we expect anything more?

Nope.

This ain't church or some "Brotherhood of the Shroom."  It's an underground where bottomfeeders wallowing in misery use drugs as a way to escape the pain that life has inflicted on them.  :shrug:

Then, there's the good people.  Like you and me.  :smile:


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    #10031041 - 03/24/09 05:26 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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My little sister is terminally ill with leukemia and she is getting very close to the end.  Today she was admitted to the hospital with a kidney infection.  I just ask that you all could pray for her so that she is not in much pain and that she could pull through for me to see her again.  I live in Florida and She is at home in Pa.  This has been a very hard time for my family and I just hope that things can get better for her before she is gone. 
I do not believe in religions but I do believe in a connection to a higher power and that is the being I ask things of
What ever your beliefs are pray for her and our family.




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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10031299 - 03/24/09 08:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I can't believe you guys managed to hijack this thread. :thumbdown:

Go right ahead and make all sorts of threads on the topic, but someone obviously wants support; is it that hard to save your views on the topic for another thread and offer some simple words of kindness - without the logical deconstruction of it all?

"...do believe in a connection to a higher power" - this is probably why he posted it in this particular forum.

I don't wanna sound like (whatever the fuck I know you will call me) but have some tact and compassion. There are all sorts of ways you can try and justify this, but really, disconnect your logical brain for a second. My views are similar to yours, but shit, not the right time...



To the o.p, go spend time with her. I don't know why you aren't with her, and the reasons are probably understandable, but shit, just get there, go now. I can't imagine how I would feel if one of my immediate family were in that situation.





I have compassion. I just didn't believe that my telling this person I would pray for their personal desires would be compassionate. In fact I felt the opposite.

Then I went on to discuss this issue as per the rules of this forum. I kind of consider their behavior inappropriate to this forum. If I was personally really upset I would be doing the praying and not asking others. And I would not be on my computer at the Shroomery. :shrug:


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    #10031317 - 03/24/09 09:09 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Bite me. This is a debate forum and if you don't like it leave.




Actually no, this may be described as the debate forum, but as I said earlier, it wasn't that way until it devolved into a place for skeptics to pick on those with different ideas.  One of the principles in forcing the issue and remaking the Shroomery into his playground is in this thread.

Not every conversation has to be a debate, even in a "debate" forum.  Please notice I rarely debate here.

We had a few assholes that used to use opportunities like these to try and make people as miserable as they are/were.  Certain members come immediately to mind.  I consider them sad creatures and they have my deepest sympathies.

Let's remember where we are: The Shroooooomery.  Should we expect anything more?

Nope.

This ain't church or some "Brotherhood of the Shroom."  It's an underground where bottomfeeders wallowing in misery use drugs as a way to escape the pain that life has inflicted on them.  :shrug:

Then, there's the good people.  Like you and me.  :smile:





If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.

Note: the most recent changes are italicized.


I don't consider myself a good or bad person.

For all I know someone else might feel just as sensitive about their beliefs as the OP but on a totally different subject. But in fact the OP has not continued in this thread. Some call that trolling and it's possible that it was. I cannot know for sure.

All that gets posted here are words. Words cannot hurt anyone that doesn't allow it. If humanity is to ever progress beyond our uncontrolled emotional immaturity it begins with this awareness.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10031544 - 03/24/09 10:46 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Good luck man.  I thought a thought for you.  Here's hoping life is easy on you in whatever way it can be.


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    #10031556 - 03/24/09 10:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I appreciate that.:heart:  I wish the same for you and for all. And as my not so dear ol daddy used to say. "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride"


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: jivJaN]
    #10031577 - 03/24/09 10:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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And im not judging you..
Dont get me wrong.. I just think.. you and some others , obviously miss the spirituality part of this section of the forum.



and I think many of you guys miss the point of this whole forum. How smug is it to act like you can define what is spirituality and what isnt? none of the engineers of the forum break have ever tried to define spirituality or claim that one is more spiritual than the other, yet many of the people like you , who traipse in here fresh out of philo 101 or just got done watching donnie darko with less than 1k posts under their belts like to think that they have the market cornered on spirituality.
"oh, you didnt express your concept of spirituality in terms that i can grasp or agree with and therefor you are an apathetic, amoral, cold hater of the metaphysical experience".
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Yes.. it is for debate.
And yes.. you can always debate against it..
But..
Lets look at it this way..
Maybe he thought that some people are spiritual.. eat mushrooms.. and meditate..and could meditate on this..
Certain studies  have shown that group meditation can have a profound impact on other peoples emotional state , as well as health.
He never proposed a topic for debate. Didnt see you referring to the rules before you decided participate in this imaginary argument.
Icelander did... but also with a hint of his personal view on it.
And.. he didnt stop.
Maybe the OP broke through his spiritual crisis before by reading some wise council from another member of these boards.
Maybe.. he doesnt buy into false hope and self-absorbed behavior.
And maybe.. thats exactly why he came here.
Maybe.. he feels exactly the same way you do.. and he came here.. instead of buying a bracelet .. or going to church.
Maybe he thinks.. people here are different.
And maybe.. you just fucked that up.




lot of maybes there.
1) see my point about how you think you have spirituality cornered? eating mushrooms = metaphysical experience = spirituality.
2) in my post, i stated that i wasnt here to debate the efficacy of TM or similar methods of scraping the barrel. I merely questioned the motive and how much effort or compassion really goes into such a gesture.
3) and what is this soft story news angle you are trying to take with me "ruining someones perception of mushroom eaters"? seems to me that the only one with a perception of shroom eaters that needs to be shattered is your own.

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I think this kind of  ideology some of you guys presented  strives for originality so much , that it is sometimes blinding.



this statement is a good example of my biggest gripe about you and your ilk. We know we arent original, there isnt any originality in spirituality or philosophy, because many many people have had many many years to really think of every possible combination of beliefs and perspectives. it is only people like you who think that our rash diatribes are striving for acceptance... the only thing blinding in this forum is your assurance that you have it all figured out, or atleast have it figured out enough that you can spot an ideology as "wrong" or "right" according to how it fits into your parameters.

And.. i think the posts were not set out to argue  anything else , but their own controversy.


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Im not angry..
Im debating.



really?
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And i argue your lack or perceptiveness.. and a judgment clouded by personal biases.



judgement is bias.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10031583 - 03/24/09 11:03 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Kind of what I would say if I was articulate.:thumbup::lol:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10031714 - 03/24/09 11:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The OP says they don't care about the responders' belief system, and yet posting the original post was itself a malicious attack on others. The OP figured he was safe behind the guard walls of "good taste", and from that position launched his assault. By asking for thoughts or prayers or what have you, he is attempting to force his own belief system -- one in which 'prayers' have any effect on the livelihood of an unknown, possibly nonexistent, terminal patient -- on to others. Some folk either shared this belief construct or felt socially obligated to pretend to share it, while other folk responded (in what I feel was a level and compassionate manner) to this trojan horse attack. I don't think that anyone should be viewed as somehow morally deficient simply because they refuse to adopt an alien belief structure. 
:2cents:


For my part, while I certainly possess compassion for the OP, his family, and his sister and the pain they must be experiencing, I will certainly not abandon my resolve to temporarily masquerade as a believer of a system that I see as potentially damaging to the OP's ability to cope with his sister's condition.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: xdzt]
    #10031719 - 03/24/09 11:43 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

For my part, while I certainly possess compassion for the OP, his family, and his sister and the pain they must be experiencing, I will certainly not abandon my resolve to temporarily masquerade as a believer of a system that I see as potentially damaging to the OP's ability to cope with his sister's condition.

:thumbup:



However I doubt his intent was a conscious "malicious attack". IMO his programing dictated this behavior for him to feel safe. We all do this most of the time it seems. His mistake was to assume this forum represented his personal programs.

While possibly somewhat uncomfortable, this kind of thread is a very good one IMO, as it gets in to the bones of how we feel about life personally rather than theoretically.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10031986 - 03/24/09 12:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I can't believe you guys managed to hijack this thread.

This is P&S, my friend. The P is for philosophy. Debating the topic of death in a thread about death is hardly a hijack. If you want help with illness, the Physical and Mental Well-Being forum is where you should post. If you want 100% affirmation of your illogical belief system, try the Mysticism and the Paranormal forum. Expect none of those things in P&S.

As for the OP, I don't get why this is a "hard time" for your family. You people apparently believe in prayer and so it follows you also believe in an afterlife. So why is your relative's physical death a big deal? I don't get it.

If I believed someone I love was about to die and go to a better place, I would throw a party for their good fortune. The OP's ideas seem like hypocrisy to me.

Get upset over the good fortune of someone you love. I will never get this. :shrug:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10032052 - 03/24/09 12:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Believing in the afterlife does not follow from believing in prayer. We know nothing of the OP's belief system except that he doesn't believe in religions and does believe in a connection to a higher power who he asks for things. The OP might not believe in the afterlife for all we know.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mufungo]
    #10032073 - 03/24/09 12:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

True. Some believe prayer can work on it's own and groups increase the effectiveness.

I doubt my input would be helpful however.:satansmoking:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mufungo]
    #10032159 - 03/24/09 01:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The OP might not believe in the afterlife for all we know.

This is true, but I think most people who believe in invisible friends who grant wishes and live in the sky also believe in an afterlife. At least that's been my experience.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10032508 - 03/24/09 02:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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This is P&S, my friend. The P is for philosophy. Debating the topic of death in a thread about death is hardly a hijack. If you want help with illness, the Physical and Mental Well-Being forum is where you should post. If you want 100% affirmation of your illogical belief system, try the Mysticism and the Paranormal forum. Expect none of those things in P&S.





Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here, the name of the forum is P&S; the S for spirituality has led some people to reach out for spiritual help in time of need.  I don't think a person whose emotions are running high in the face of a loved one's death take the time to read the fine print before coming in here.  It's obvious, isn't it?

As a solution perhaps some further explanation specifically mentioning THIS ISN'T THE PLACE FOR PRAYER! might reduce these "trolling" threads.  Then again, if the staff thinks this is the best way to handle these situations, i.e. holding people up to ridicule in the midst of emotional anguish, the status quo will remain.

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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #10032523 - 03/24/09 02:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Then again, if the staff thinks this is the best way to handle these situations, i.e. holding people up to ridicule in the midst of emotional anguish, the status quo will remain.




I didn't see anyone in here ridiculing the OP. His ideas, yes, but I thought this issue was already covered. :shrug:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #10032570 - 03/24/09 02:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I only have two questions:

1. Does an omniscient God need to be reminded that one of his children is suffering?

2. If so, who created death to generally be quite unpleasant in the first place?


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    #10032602 - 03/24/09 03:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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The OP says they don't care about the responders' belief system, and yet posting the original post was itself a malicious attack on others. The OP figured he was safe behind the guard walls of "good taste", and from that position launched his assault. By asking for thoughts or prayers or what have you, he is attempting to force his own belief system -- one in which 'prayers' have any effect on the livelihood of an unknown, possibly nonexistent, terminal patient -- on to others. Some folk either shared this belief construct or felt socially obligated to pretend to share it, while other folk responded (in what I feel was a level and compassionate manner) to this trojan horse attack. I don't think that anyone should be viewed as somehow morally deficient simply because they refuse to adopt an alien belief structure. 





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    #10032620 - 03/24/09 03:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

God created ALL things - except cancer?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
    #10032686 - 03/24/09 03:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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xdzt said:
The OP says they don't care about the responders' belief system, and yet posting the original post was itself a malicious attack on others. The OP figured he was safe behind the guard walls of "good taste", and from that position launched his assault. By asking for thoughts or prayers or what have you, he is attempting to force his own belief system -- one in which 'prayers' have any effect on the livelihood of an unknown, possibly nonexistent, terminal patient -- on to others. Some folk either shared this belief construct or felt socially obligated to pretend to share it, while other folk responded (in what I feel was a level and compassionate manner) to this trojan horse attack. I don't think that anyone should be viewed as somehow morally deficient simply because they refuse to adopt an alien belief structure. 



There is a big difference between adopting what you feel is an outdated belief system and exhibiting good taste.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10032725 - 03/24/09 03:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Taste is well... a matter of taste. You are not the one who decides for the rest of us what is "good taste":shrug:


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    #10032732 - 03/24/09 03:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Then again, if the staff thinks this is the best way to handle these situations, i.e. holding people up to ridicule in the midst of emotional anguish, the status quo will remain.




I didn't see anyone in here ridiculing the OP. His ideas, yes, but I thought this issue was already covered. :shrug:




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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032740 - 03/24/09 03:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You said you hoped the OP's little sister dies.

I think most will agree that is poor taste.


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    #10032759 - 03/24/09 03:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Your sig pic is in poor taste.


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    #10032763 - 03/24/09 03:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Touche.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10032783 - 03/24/09 03:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Huh? You do know who I was replying to...


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10032793 - 03/24/09 03:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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You said you hoped the OP's little sister dies.

I think most will agree that is poor taste.





Thanks for ignoring the full statement. I said (since the OP said her condition was terminal) that I hope she dies painlessly and doesn't suffer. Nice try.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10032804 - 03/24/09 03:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Debating the topic of death in a thread about death is hardly a hijack.




Actually most of the debate in this thread is about what should go on in P&S. This thread has been hijacked and it's sad and happens all the time....here are two posts below, that are seen in this thread, that should be deleted immediately.

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*coughs* Pussy! *cough*



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Where?  I want some.:D




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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10032811 - 03/24/09 03:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Almost all threads here go off topic.

But I'm glad to see you retain a sense of humor. (sex and death the ultimate taboos)

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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: chef Jay]
    #10032826 - 03/24/09 03:45 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

chef Jay....

my thoughts are with your family and sister.
I haven't dealt with much death in my life, and can only imagine what it will be like when a close loved one dies.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032837 - 03/24/09 03:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Swyfty Swyf said:
You said you hoped the OP's little sister dies.

I think most will agree that is poor taste.





Thanks for ignoring the full statement. I said (since the OP said her condition was terminal) that I hope she dies painlessly and doesn't suffer. Nice try.




My mistake.  Very classy.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10032847 - 03/24/09 03:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

At least you added more off-topic clutter. Welcome to the club! :hug:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10032856 - 03/24/09 03:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Gee if I'm ever terminal with some dread disease I hope I die painlessly. But maybe I should cling to my suffering just in case you consider my wanting to die in bad taste. Hats off to you Miss Manners.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032875 - 03/24/09 03:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Almost all threads here go off topic.

But I'm glad to see you retain a sense of humor. (sex and death the ultimate taboos)

Maybe you should apply for modship.





again....

why post that kind of shit here?

i would think an old man would have learned when to keep his mouth shut. :grin:

and here i am....perpetuating the problem. :lol:

you know humor does seem to be a good antidote to death.
when i'm on my death bed, or when my mom or dad is, i hope to be able to share some laughs with them or whoever.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032878 - 03/24/09 03:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I am going to make sure you are on an IV drip in some white room so that you can get the full measure.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10032893 - 03/24/09 03:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately (and I mean that) I didn't learn to keep my big mouth shut. It got my ass kicked more than once when I was a teen.

I regret my POV offends some people but I consider it the price of my sanity, what little I have left.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10032900 - 03/24/09 03:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I am going to make sure you are on an IV drip in some white room so that you can get the full measure.




My worse case scenario.:sad:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032916 - 03/24/09 03:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

so wait...

you're frowning about your own death scenario...yet you've rattled on with a bunch of stupid shit with OC throughout this thread.

fucking selfish.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10032929 - 03/24/09 04:00 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't get your meaning here?

But selfish for sure. I have posted on this subject countless times.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032953 - 03/24/09 04:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Others, like MJF, post for non-selfish reasons - like making themselves feel good.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10032955 - 03/24/09 04:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

have some empathy!


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10032975 - 03/24/09 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Will Icey's internal emotional state have any effect on the little girl's disease? Yes or No?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
    #10032978 - 03/24/09 04:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Mod Edit: Nope, you're not going to get away with that here. If you don't like the rules of this forum, stay out of this forum. It's retardedly easy.

Here are the rules, again:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10032984 - 03/24/09 04:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I never mentioned Chris Reeves.:crazy2:

u guys are fucking assholes.

Coming from the likes of you I must consider it a compliment.:thumbup:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10032998 - 03/24/09 04:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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u guys are fucking assholes.... u guys are being huge fucking hypocrits...its selfish to hijack a thread to talk about ur personal opinions




As this is your personal opinion, that would make you a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _? (Let me know if you need help filling in the blank.)


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10033006 - 03/24/09 04:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10033016 - 03/24/09 04:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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u guys are fucking assholes.... u guys are being huge fucking hypocrits...its selfish to hijack a thread to talk about ur personal opinions




As this is your personal opinion, that would make you a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _? (Let me know if you need help filling in the blank.)




ok change the word "opinion" in my post to "tasteless blabbering" and it will free me from hypocracy

im not hijacking his thread....im telling u guys to get a fucking life and not insult ppl's dieing relatives....if ur saying im an asshole for defending someone who is being mocked in an emotional situation....im glad to be an asshole

edit: im adding this before u reply to me again (so u cant call me out for "running from u")....im done posting in this thread, im not going to fuel u assholes....its a done deal, if u guys dont feel bad about ur actions on this thread, more power to u, but im not going to encourage u guys....as orgone pointed out, this is in essence almost as bad as what u guys are actually doing....so peace  :peace:

btw: prayers out for ur sister OP :smile:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10033030 - 03/24/09 04:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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im not hijacking his thread....im telling u guys to get a fucking life




This, mi amigo, is known as hijacking. I saw no prayer for a little girl, just more off-topic blather.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10033038 - 03/24/09 04:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Will Icey's internal emotional state have any effect on the little girl's disease? Yes or No?




Probably not. Because she is unaware of this conversation.

Any form of stress could make the degeneration of a disease worse, or atleast coping with it, worse.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10033044 - 03/24/09 04:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

You can tell me anything you like, as if it matters to me.  I cant help it if the idea of death terrifies you. Your righteous indignation is really something.:satansmoking:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033073 - 03/24/09 04:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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She is unaware of this conversation.




I guess that is reason to get upset then.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033080 - 03/24/09 04:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Will Icey's internal emotional state have any effect on the little girl's disease? Yes or No?




Probably not. Because she is unaware of this conversation.

Any form of stress could make the degeneration of a disease worse, or atleast coping with it, worse.





The OP said she was terminal. That means shes going to die. He wanted her to continue, possibly at any cost so he might see her again.

Now I honestly don't care if that's considered compassionate by you or anyone else here.

I felt that my stance is the truly compassionate one. I don't want her to suffer anymore. In my belief death will be a release for her and I'm not going to be a party to prolonging it.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033102 - 03/24/09 04:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not going to be a party to prolonging it.




As if you had any power... :rolleyes:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10033113 - 03/24/09 04:33 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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She is unaware of this conversation.




I guess that is reason to get upset then.




but her brother isn't.

i'm sorry man...rationaly i agree with what ya'll are saying...
but when i try to put myself in his shoes and think of what i would be like if my little sister was dying in the hospital...there probably wouldn't be a whole lot of rational thought going on. and i would hope that a less emotional...and more rational human...would come along and be compassionate towards me and my situation.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033134 - 03/24/09 04:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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MJF said:
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Will Icey's internal emotional state have any effect on the little girl's disease? Yes or No?




Probably not. Because she is unaware of this conversation.

Any form of stress could make the degeneration of a disease worse, or atleast coping with it, worse.





The OP said she was terminal. That means shes going to die. He wanted her to continue, possibly at any cost so he might see her again.

Now I honestly don't care if that's considered compassionate by you or anyone else here.

I felt that my stance is the truly compassionate one. I don't want her to suffer anymore. In my belief death will be a release for her and I'm not going to be a party to prolonging it.




your stance may be a truly compassionate one, but your portrayal certainly wasn't.

makes all the difference to the OP.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033138 - 03/24/09 04:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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She is unaware of this conversation.




I guess that is reason to get upset then.



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OrgoneConclusion said:
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She is unaware of this conversation.




I guess that is reason to get upset then.




but her brother isn't.

i'm sorry man...rationaly i agree with what ya'll are saying...
but when i try to put myself in his shoes and think of what i would be like if my little sister was dying in the hospital...there probably wouldn't be a whole lot of rational thought going on. and i would hope that a less emotional...and more rational human...would come along and be compassionate towards me and my situation.




Once again. What is compassionate? Are you the one who knows?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033167 - 03/24/09 04:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I am one who feels.

And you weren't being compassionate(IMO), towards the OP. Towards the girl, yeah, maybe....

maybe you should go back and reread your posts in this thread. and stop self-deluding....or just out right lieing. you know certainly well you were not portraying a sense of compassion towards the OP.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033195 - 03/24/09 04:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I never said I cared about the OP. I don't. If he wants to be (imo) delusional that's just fine. I'll gladly debate it if he posts here.

That girl is the only one I'm concerned with here. It's my way of indulging in sentimentality. I don't like physical suffering.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033225 - 03/24/09 04:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

fair enough.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
    #10033227 - 03/24/09 04:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.




:thumbup::thumbup:




i second that... good quote...

i know what would shut icelander up... a miracle... too bad they dont happen though...


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: trip2night]
    #10033242 - 03/24/09 04:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

A true miracle would turn me around 180.

Veronica Mars will never fall for me however.:sad:


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    #10033300 - 03/24/09 05:04 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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P&S is for debate and logical analysis.  :shrug:




Logical analysis, imagine that... i haven't seen that around here much at all. Rarely you can find it between the sophism, positivism, opinions, sarcasm, and one-liners.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: flangenips]
    #10033431 - 03/24/09 05:31 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well we are dealing with humans, mostly young, often stoned.:shrug:


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    #10033483 - 03/24/09 05:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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P&S is for debate and logical analysis.  :shrug:




Logical analysis, imagine that... i haven't seen that around here much at all. Rarely you can find it between the sophism, positivism, opinions, sarcasm, and one-liners.




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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
    #10033523 - 03/24/09 05:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

How about you?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033531 - 03/24/09 05:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Everything I post is trivial.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
    #10033552 - 03/24/09 05:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Perfect Mod material.:thumbup: Have you read the posts most mods make at the Shroomery. V was an exception. Plus you get a tee shirt.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033566 - 03/24/09 05:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

V ever planning to come back?

With her and PhantomCat apparently down for the count, all that's left is Diploid and I haven't seen much from him in the way of keeping personalisms and spurious posts down.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033596 - 03/24/09 05:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I heard Mod V got a wet t-shirt. :naughty:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
    #10033685 - 03/24/09 06:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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    #10033689 - 03/24/09 06:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Screw it, then; let literary anarchy reign.  :satansmoking:


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    #10033782 - 03/24/09 06:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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How smug is it to act like you can define what is spirituality and what isnt?



I never did that.

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yet many of the people like you , who traipse in here fresh out of philo 101 or just got done watching donnie darko with less than 1k posts under their belts like to think that they have the market cornered on spirituality.





Never took philosophy..
And i dropped out of  college anyway..
Watched donnie darko a while ago.. a while..
didnt really like the movie that much.
and... cmon.. the post thing ? less than 1k under my belt ? that completely lacks importance and comes off as highly discriminative.


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oh, you didnt express your concept of spirituality in terms that i can grasp or agree with and therefor you are an apathetic, amoral, cold hater of the metaphysical experience



Thats another thing i never said.


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lot of maybes there.
1) see my point about how you think you have spirituality cornered? eating mushrooms = metaphysical experience = spirituality.
2) in my post, i stated that i wasnt here to debate the efficacy of TM or similar methods of scraping the barrel. I merely questioned the motive and how much effort or compassion really goes into such a gesture.
3) and what is this soft story news angle you are trying to take with me "ruining someones perception of mushroom eaters"? seems to me that the only one with a perception of shroom eaters that needs to be shattered is your own.




1.No.. i dont see your point.. frankly it makes no sense to make such a connection.
I never did state the 3 to be interdependent.. simply.. that when looking at the original post from various angles.. it certainly could be a possibility.
And my emphasis was one your inability to broaden the view which proceeded into a need to personally express yourself on a subject that was never even presented.
2. ...

3. i never said that either..
your putting words in my mouth constantly..
Another example of your biases ruling the discussion , which makes it very uninteresting... Not very mature behavior.. or simply.. another bad judgment..


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it is only people like you who think that our rash diatribes are striving for acceptance



errr ! wrong again..
I think you strive for the complete opposite.
Again.. "people like me" .. being very contradictory buddy..

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you can spot an ideology as "wrong" or "right" according to how it fits into your parameters.





how do you come up with these accusations ? I have no parameters..
Nor do i think your ideology is wrong.. or right..
I just think its overdone in your case..
Its the second  post i have seen from you on these boards since ive been here..
The first one had a video of a guy who was talking about hating people.
I think you were more than delighted when you saw this one..
If this is your only area of interest , and plus you dont have much of an agrument..
I would argue the k's of post you possibly have , do not serve as a good "parameter"..
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really?



Yes.
Really.

 
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judgement is bias.



Good.. then you double fucked up.


This is ridiculous..
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: deCypher]
    #10033807 - 03/24/09 06:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm no dictator and tend to let things go where they will, stepping in only when things get out of hand.

However, if you want me to lay down the law on you, just ask. :devil:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: jivJaN]
    #10033826 - 03/24/09 06:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Nor do i think your ideology is wrong.. or right..
I just think its overdone in your case..


Overdone means wrong, can't you see that. :lol: That's his exact ideology if you think it's over done then you think he got it wrong.

YA used to post here a lot. He has a unique perspective and is a thought provoking poster IMO. I rarely agree with everything he says but he makes many good points and often by pushing my comfort zone to the max. I can handle that.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10033837 - 03/24/09 06:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm no dictator and tend to let things go where they will, stepping in only when things get out of hand.

However, if you want me to lay down the law on you, just ask. :devil:





Yeah! I want you to lay it on me big daddy.:whoa: Many here think I'm way outta line.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033854 - 03/24/09 06:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

if my steak was overdone i'd still eat it.

if it was wrong...i'd give it to the dog.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033864 - 03/24/09 06:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

eating meat is murder.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033868 - 03/24/09 06:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
I'm no dictator and tend to let things go where they will, stepping in only when things get out of hand.

However, if you want me to lay down the law on you, just ask. :devil:





Yeah! I want you to lay it on me big daddy.:whoa: Many here think I'm way outta line.




i really don't think your philosophy is out of line...

but the constant derailment and side jokes with OC are a bit out of hand.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033883 - 03/24/09 06:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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eating meat is murder.




you know i would like to go pescaterian or something...just fish and plants and nuts and stuff....


but...i'm addicted.


now i'm way off topic. wtf?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033891 - 03/24/09 06:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Overdone means wrong, can't you see that




No..  i really cant see that.
A kid in school might have the right answer to the teachers question.. But if he holds his hand up saying ME , ME , ME .. i know, i know..

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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033893 - 03/24/09 06:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)


but the constant derailment and side jokes with OC are a bit out of hand.


Ahh, I just love irony.  :rolleyes:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10033907 - 03/24/09 06:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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but the constant derailment and side jokes with OC are a bit out of hand.


Ahh, I just love irony.  :rolleyes:




:love: he started it. :fingerpoint:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033950 - 03/24/09 06:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I know I get out of hand with the jokes but I get bored with the subject matter here. Often my posts go nowhere because they're about death and unconscious behavior, the decline of humanity and all that nasty shit that doesn't apply to anyone here.

Course you can always skip over the jokes. Did you ever consider that?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: jivJaN]
    #10033968 - 03/24/09 06:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Overdone means wrong, can't you see that




No..  i really cant see that.
A kid in school might have the right answer to the teachers question.. But if he holds his hand up saying ME , ME , ME .. i know, i know..

:nono:




You are making a subjective value judgment here. What is exactly "overdone" and who makes that decision for the whole or for someone else? I'll stick by what I said. If you had liked his content you wouldn't have said a thing.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033974 - 03/24/09 06:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

how do i know whether or not i should have skipped over it with out reading it...or atleast start reading it.

plus it just clutters shit up.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10033984 - 03/24/09 06:55 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Just put me and OC on ignore. Problem solved. That's what ignore is for. :thumbup:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10033994 - 03/24/09 06:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

but i like some of ya'lls stuff....

maybe you could flag your posts with a symbol or something...so that way i would know whether or not to skip over it.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
    #10034002 - 03/24/09 06:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

How about this.:satansmoking:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10034308 - 03/24/09 07:52 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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eating meat is murder.




Not if it's roadkill.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: spyder]
    #10034342 - 03/24/09 07:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

True


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10034443 - 03/24/09 08:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm making a broad reply here, as I've been inactive in this thread for far too long for a more specific one.

I don't think there would be many people here that actually believe that their 'prayers' could cure a terminally ill girl.
I never expected people to believe or to attempt to do so. I just feel that people could have offered support and left their personal views on it behind.

I'm a fairly rational and logical person, but I can see when it's time to be a bit more emotionally-based and just shut my mouth and be nice. I really don't see how this derails my own idea that emotion - without logic - often blinds judgement. Unless you believe that we should only ever view the world with cool logic, then offering some kind words and sympathy shouldn't be such an arduous task.

And just because it's in a forum that you are allowed to debate things, is it a topic that should be debated, here, in this thread, under these circumstances?

I'm trying to see this from the o.p's pov, I feel I'd be pretty dismayed that a seemingly innocuous call for support could be turned into a five page shit-talk about thread etiquette. Even though I do agree rationally with most of you.

And whoever was mentioning that the o.p was religious..."I do not believe in religions but I do believe in a connection to a higher power and that is the being I ask things of" 

I dunno, just my belated, mid-morning thoughts...:shrug:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10034478 - 03/24/09 08:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

just shut my mouth and be nice.

I've been told to do this my whole life. Sometimes I even do it but I never feel good about it. I'm really pretty sure this post will not effect the OP in any major way. He will just write it off as a bad idea and deal with the situation he finds himself in. In a week almost no one will think about this here. In a month many won't remember it. That's how it is with words. They really don't carry much weight in the long run. That's why with all the talk here in P&S we haven't turned out many if any fully realized humans. Words don't count. Actions count.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10034497 - 03/24/09 08:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If I may speak for some of the posters here:

As long as we must tip-toe around the issue of praying for the sick as anything other than fantasy, then we will be stuck with this superstition for many thousands of years.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10034640 - 03/24/09 08:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, fantasy needs eradicating and does no good at all, it serves no purpose at all. Let's cut out all the beliefs that don't match ours and that we don't understand so that we can have as little diversity as possible, and maybe then we'll get along better. Hear hear OC!


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10034646 - 03/24/09 08:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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just shut my mouth and be nice.

Sometimes I even do it but I never feel good about it. I'm really pretty sure this post will not effect the OP in any major way.




I may be extrapolating more out of your words than necessary, but that's half my point; it's not about feeling 'good', it's about putting yourself out of your own mind for a while to TRY and make someone else feel better.

So the chances are pretty slim that it will make the o.p feel better, but even if there is only a small chance it will, taking two minutes to offer some kind words seems like a worthwhile exchange to me.

Orgone - I don't see any tiptoeing about praying in my post? I don't think my thoughts/prayers can effect someone I will never met or have any contact with.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mufungo]
    #10034711 - 03/24/09 08:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I knew you would understand.

If everyone viewed the world rationally as I do, no person would be in prison for merely smoking/growing cannabis, but we need the diversity of some smokers in prison and some on the outside for the sake of balance. :yesnod:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10034723 - 03/24/09 08:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

But I don't want to make him feel better. I was thinking of the girl.

His desire was to keep her alive so he could see her again. What if that involves suffering on her part. She does have terminal cancer. Or did that fall off your radar.

At that moment I made a judgment call and that call was that he was being selfish and might possibly be the cause of physical suffering.

Man I see this all the time with peoples "beloved" pets. They let them suffer instead of putting them down because they can't bear life without fluffy. Fuck that I say. FUCK THAT I SAY

So now you see where I'm coming from. Take it or leave it. I'm not too impressed with your logic either.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10034756 - 03/24/09 08:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck Fluffy? :whoa: :eek:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10034880 - 03/24/09 09:17 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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If I may speak for some of the posters here:

As long as we must tip-toe around the issue of praying for the sick as anything other than fantasy, then we will be stuck with this superstition for many thousands of years.




I will execute power of attorney for some of the posters here:

You have all joined my ponzi scheme.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10034905 - 03/24/09 09:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe so, but I'd like to think that's not the case. You don't know if she is in pain or not.
I have stated a fair few times that I do see where you are coming from.

Fuck, if she is in pain, then by all means, put her down. But I'd prefer not to think the worst of people.

How could he be the 'cause' of her physical suffering? I think it's been widely discussed that our 'prayers' don't mean shit when it comes to extending her life/easing her pain.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10034927 - 03/24/09 09:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

He is the cause if he is prolonging her suffering by keeping her alive


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: learningtofly]
    #10034934 - 03/24/09 09:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'll ask again, how the shit is he keeping her alive?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10034941 - 03/24/09 09:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Through prayer.

We have come full circle and may now lock this thread.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10034993 - 03/24/09 09:32 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Through prayer.

We have come full circle and may now lock this thread.




It's a miracle. :laugh:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: chef Jay]
    #10035093 - 03/24/09 09:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I lived for several months with a guy who had kidney disease. He had been a performing musician and sailor - manager of a yacht club - until it took hold. Now he can't eat most foods, can't walk more than a few yards because of water filling his legs and thus has ballooned in weight, to compound the problem. He had to stay at home every day except when a van took him to medical appointments, and barely had enough money from the government each month to pay rent and food costs. He's low on the list of transplant recipients because of money and the possibility that the condition would persist anyway. Cool guy, though, he kept a great sense of humor and shared many stories.

As for this thread, it's probably not what was wanted or expected, but I think it works pretty well. All the OP has to do is read a few responses and realize time would be better spent in contact with his sister instead. He can also take comfort from the dull banter; pretty soon she will be beyond all of that, or is already due to self-reflections and intimate connections with friends and relatives in Death's antechamber. Show this to her and she'd probably laugh it off - this is life.

Conversation-space is always for whomever wants to converse howsoever they choose - let the moderators pass over - and ideas are for ridicule and misunderstanding and interspersion with pussy talk, and some move on, some find reactive outrage - there's stimulation there, some observe with detached ennui and declare it all stupid, or maybe profound, as if that would alleviate the dullness.

Who knows what is really meant by pray for her; it's probably understood that praying is not about direct causality. Put her in your thoughts, he asks you but really he's already made it unavoidable, here's someone young dying of a rare disease, so reflect on your mortality, maybe bathe a bit in the sadness of it if you still believe in that. Put her in your thoughts, think the best of her so that it's a tragedy instead of a termination of someone with annoying idiosyncratic faults like the people around you and yourself whom you can't stand, reflect on death as if we really are all equalized and made the best we can imagine once we depart, maybe keep reflecting and equalize the living too, if you think that's worth anything.

If death is meaningless collapse of meaningless life, let thoughts of her evoke frustration with the practice of futile prayer, ahd enjoy the irony of then getting worked up over debating the meaninglessness of it. I'm sure there's something to be gained here for everyone, certainly as much for the patient and all of us as would be gained without this, until we circle around some other issue flitting through our minds at the moment, one which different people will find meaningless, and on we continue.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: zannennagara]
    #10035181 - 03/24/09 10:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Wow! 8 pages of blather and the first real post. :thumbup:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
    #10035192 - 03/24/09 10:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

wow...someone actually reported me to a mod on this thread (im assumin icelander)....real class move, why dont u move to china, they love hitting the delete button on people's opinions too.....the fact that a mod actually deleted what i said is even worse...wtf

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lukey2411 said:
I'm making a broad reply here, as I've been inactive in this thread for far too long for a more specific one.

I don't think there would be many people here that actually believe that their 'prayers' could cure a terminally ill girl.
I never expected people to believe or to attempt to do so. I just feel that people could have offered support and left their personal views on it behind.

I'm a fairly rational and logical person, but I can see when it's time to be a bit more emotionally-based and just shut my mouth and be nice. I really don't see how this derails my own idea that emotion - without logic - often blinds judgement. Unless you believe that we should only ever view the world with cool logic, then offering some kind words and sympathy shouldn't be such an arduous task.

And just because it's in a forum that you are allowed to debate things, is it a topic that should be debated, here, in this thread, under these circumstances?

I'm trying to see this from the o.p's pov, I feel I'd be pretty dismayed that a seemingly innocuous call for support could be turned into a five page shit-talk about thread etiquette. Even though I do agree rationally with most of you.

And whoever was mentioning that the o.p was religious..."I do not believe in religions but I do believe in a connection to a higher power and that is the being I ask things of" 

I dunno, just my belated, mid-morning thoughts...:shrug:




lukey2411 got it right....the OP was clearly not looking for a debate on prayer, he/she was looking for support....there was no reason to put ur views up and basically hijack the thread....if the ideas about prayer were so terrible that u had to say something, just make a debate oriented post about it and its a win-win....we all get to have a productive debate (instead of a forum etiquette discussion) and the OP's thread is left to supportive comments....im once again done posting here, im not trying to fuel u guys (i felt justified a third post since my first was deleted)


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10035377 - 03/24/09 10:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

the OP was clearly not looking for a debate on prayer, he/she was looking for support

Wrong forum.

Once again, from the rules:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664

If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.

Is that written in Chinese or something?


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: zannennagara]
    #10035435 - 03/24/09 10:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure there's something to be gained here for everyone,

This is how I feel.

This is the kind of P&S I thrive on.  It's not just an intellectual exercise if you get into it. It's life and death and how we feel and why.

Interesting post.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10035443 - 03/24/09 10:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

wow...someone actually reported me to a mod on this thread (im assumin icelander).

You assume wrong. I have no interest in you.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10035791 - 03/24/09 11:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
the OP was clearly not looking for a debate on prayer, he/she was looking for support

Wrong forum.

Once again, from the rules:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664

If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.

Is that written in Chinese or something?




Not sure about the pooh-poohed part, sounds icky.:shocked2:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: flangenips]
    #10035941 - 03/24/09 11:41 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That's better than in OTD. There it's poo poo. :poop:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Diploid]
    #10035966 - 03/24/09 11:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

This is the most I've seen you post in six months.

Too bad it's all trash talk. You used to be a class act. :satansmoking:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: jivJaN]
    #10036531 - 03/25/09 02:03 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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jivJaN said:
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How smug is it to act like you can define what is spirituality and what isnt?



I never did that.



no, you didnt realize that you did that. which is one of the reasons i post like I do. I know how to take a stance that is offensive and at times taboo but at the same time make it very difficult for people to attack my position without becoming hypocrites or showing just how self-righteous/absorbed they are.
let me walk you through it.
1) someone posts a sob story which is designed to make the common/average person become filled with a very fleeting moment of emotion and expects people to respond accordingly.
2) someone does not respong accordingly and in fact goes the other way in such a manner that is seemingly an afront to all things we hold sacred. where a simple and polite decline of default (read: expected) reaction to the situation would have even been a personal slight to humanity, this poster decided to twist the knife and break it off.
3)  you come in to berate hte offensive poster stating that said poster should act and respond in a certain way and that anything less is an affront to compassion, a trait that you would expect from a group of people that you perceive/hope to be "spiritually elevated", or atleast towing what you think is the "party line" of compassion.
4) i try to explain to you in terms that were apparently too advanced due to my assumption that you could grasp the concept of self-righteousness and were able to step outside of yourself and your conditioning...

its very simple. you, and a majority of people on this earth feel very emotional about the sick, the dying, and the dead.... some reverence passed down from cultures of ancestry worship and "woe are the huddled masses" complexes. I make an action/statement that is in direct violation of your preconceived notions/rules of "proper" response and behavior to the aforementioned situation and you cry foul.

get it? 

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and... cmon.. the post thing ? less than 1k under my belt ? that completely lacks importance and comes off as highly discriminative.



and whats wrong with discrimination? pay your dues. in the world of strangers, nepotism is the only express lane open and sometimes even then you are met with suspicion and dubiousness.

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it is only people like you who think that our rash diatribes are striving for acceptance



errr ! wrong again..
I think you strive for the complete opposite.
Again.. "people like me" .. being very contradictory buddy..



so i strive to be ostracized? and i dont see what is contradictory about saying "you people". you need to cleanse yourself of your knee-jerk reactions to buzz words and phrases. discrimination = bad, "people like me" = bad, communists = bad.
 
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judgement is bias.



Good.. then you double fucked up.



you make no sense.


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This is ridiculous..
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #10036854 - 03/25/09 03:29 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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no, you didnt realize that you did that. which is one of the reasons i post like I do. I know how to take a stance that is offensive and at times taboo but at the same time make it very difficult for people to attack my position without becoming hypocrites or showing just how self-righteous/absorbed they are.
let me walk you through it.
1) someone posts a sob story which is designed to make the common/average person become filled with a very fleeting moment of emotion and expects people to respond accordingly.
2) someone does not respong accordingly and in fact goes the other way in such a manner that is seemingly an afront to all things we hold sacred. where a simple and polite decline of default (read: expected) reaction to the situation would have even been a personal slight to humanity, this poster decided to twist the knife and break it off.
3)  you come in to berate hte offensive poster stating that said poster should act and respond in a certain way and that anything less is an affront to compassion, a trait that you would expect from a group of people that you perceive/hope to be "spiritually elevated", or atleast towing what you think is the "party line" of compassion.
4) i try to explain to you in terms that were apparently too advanced due to my assumption that you could grasp the concept of self-righteousness and were able to step outside of yourself and your conditioning...

its very simple. you, and a majority of people on this earth feel very emotional about the sick, the dying, and the dead.... some reverence passed down from cultures of ancestry worship and "woe are the huddled masses" complexes. I make an action/statement that is in direct violation of your preconceived notions/rules of "proper" response and behavior to the aforementioned situation and you cry foul.

get it?




Yes ! :smile: I completely understand !
Thats why i am talking to you.
Do not flatter yourself..
Everytime you think ive misunderstood.. leave open , the option that it might be the other way around.
I do it..
And i have honestly waited , and expected such a thing from yourself when i spotted this big post.
The reason i post here.. believe it or not.. is to be proved wrong.
Thats how i learn.
You know.. you remind of a guy who was having a discussion with me.. and backing up the republicans.. and shitting on the democrats.. with a very fiery attitude towards me , only to figure out that i am neither. I dont care about politics..
I was simply challenging his irrational arguments based on my personal opinion.
You see..
I believe the worst mistake you can make is to shove me in a category..
This is why you are posting , thinking its me that doesnt understand something , and you go off with the illusion of victory.
You take it.. personal..and you assume to much.
You dont respond to my valuable arguments , rather you extract pieces which suit you for countering..
I dont cry foul..
Do what you want.. say what you want.. I obviously wont stop you even if i wanted to.
My observation was that you rushed to this topic to prove your attitude and "non self-righteous/absorbes behavior , when no one really asked you about it..
Its like you got something to prove..
You come off as someone who wants attention.

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so i strive to be ostracized? and i dont see what is contradictory about saying "you people". you need to cleanse yourself of your knee-jerk reactions to buzz words and phrases. discrimination = bad, "people like me" = bad, communists = bad.






No..
By pointing out the complete opposite of acceptance , you exhibit exactly this same attitude of perceiving notions through the polarity of good and bad.
Also.. by saying "you people" you again , put me in a group of sorts .. after crying how i did the same to you.
That is hypocrisy..

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nepotism is the only express lane open and sometimes even then you are met with suspicion and dubiousness.



Maybe some incest too ?
Just to be sure ?


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you make no sense.




Good.

How about .. i try and make some sense.. right now.
Plain .. and out in the open.

Your posts do not strike me on a personal level. I have learned to understand both parts of the illusory equation of morality , or whatever word you wish to use for the obvious polarity present among humans.
I have.. even learned to respect some of you evil critters. And i say "evil" only for conversational purposes.
Like deCypher ( and im sorry for using his name , if it is not appropriate).
I can respect that.
He has tact.. Subtlety..Fines... often leaves me speechless while im starring at the same thing i wished to battle in the first place.
He has the skill.. and goes for the kill... and you might just end up free.

You..
Your just rattling the cages.

If you want my honest opinion..
I dont feel bad when people die.
I .. am utterly convinced it isnt the end..
As for pain and suffering.. i believe that.. to also be a pre-incarnative choice , set up for learning.. Whatever the lesson may be.
That would go for him.. and his little sister.
And.. even if it were in my power to alleviate it.. i would not feel inclined to do so , due to the law of free will i also respect ..for  it would be interfering with the lessons.. and nobody would learn anything

I am saying this now.. Only NOW.. and only to show you something.
I didnt run out to shock everybody with my attitude .. which very similarly to yours would be perceived as  "negative" and controversial due to , (IMO) peoples inability to recognize the same things for which you have cursed them.
I dont have those issues...


Get it ?


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They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: teeter]
    #10037067 - 03/25/09 05:45 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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lukey2411 got it right....the OP was clearly not looking for a debate on prayer, he/she was looking for support




Then maybe next time he should look in which forum he's posting before he does! :flowstone:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: jivJaN]
    #10037267 - 03/25/09 08:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:rofl2: What a load.:thumbup:


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
    #10043612 - 03/26/09 05:01 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

this is hardly philosophy. Who then can give me a definition. it's fairly simple, hop on google and type in philosophy definition. here we go..Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.So at what point is it wise to challenge the op. To assert in anyway that this is a ploy for belief bending is absurd;it is in no way wise to degrade character to make a point.


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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #10043672 - 03/26/09 05:24 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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this is hardly philosophy. Who then can give me a definition. it's fairly simple, hop on google and type in philosophy definition. here we go..Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.So at what point is it wise to challenge the op. To assert in anyway that this is a ploy for belief bending is absurd;it is in no way wise to degrade character to make a point.




I looked up Philosophy myself because your definition seemed like a pile of BS.

1. Knowledge, learning, scholarship; a body of knowledge; spec. advanced knowledge or learning, to which the study of the seven liberal arts was regarded as preliminary in medieval universities.

2. The love, study, or pursuit of wisdom, truth, or knowledge. Now rare.

3. The branch of knowledge that deals with the principles of human behaviour; the study of morality; ethics.

4. a. Rational inquiry or argument, as opposed to divinely revealed knowledge; (in depreciative use) mere argument, sophistry

5. {dag}a. The branch of knowledge that deals with the principles governing the material universe and perception of physical phenomena; natural science, scientific knowledge.



I find it interesting that you cherry-picked your definition, one listed as "Now rare" when you could've used number 4 which directly corresponds to argument or any of the others which would still back up the quest for knowledge displayed in this thread.


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