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lukey2411 said:
Go right ahead and make all sorts of threads on the topic, but someone obviously wants support; is it that hard to save your views on the topic for another thread and offer some simple words of kindness - without the logical deconstruction of it all?

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He could have posted in Physical & Mental Wellbeing if he chose.  P&S is for debate and logical analysis. 

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YawningAnus said:
you know.... im sure this will come off as assholish. (i should just make that statement a macro to head all my P&S posts) But why do people take up these causes at these moments in time.

k, you believe in the power of prayer or positive thought... awesome. im not knocking that, but wouldnt it make more sense to just have all the people that do that kind of shit just do it for everyone all the time?

its like people like Christopher Reeves, I hated that douchebag. everyone was saying "omg, he is so brave" and you know, whatever, he fell off a horse, its the risk you take when riding a horse, it would have been a completely different public opinion had he had some accident off the coast of dubai on his 110 foot yacht. But that isnt what got me, what got me was that he suddenly wanted to raise all this money and awareness about spinal chord injuries and research...
and still people want to say "oh he is so brave and charitable".... no he isnt, he is doing what everyone does in those situations where all avenues have been extinguished: the hope for a miracle.
it is a self serving agenda, maybe one of the most basic, inherent traits of almost all living things is the struggle to stay alive even in the face of imminent demise, but to disguise it as some selfless heroic act is just bullshit.

it is ultimately self-absorbed behaviour. save me!

but back to the point... so yeah, little girls getting lukemia are a far cry from the irony of superman being paralyzed by a horse, but why waste that energy?
seems like those bracelets people wear to show how they care 5$ more than you (plus it matched their outfit). it is such a hollow gesture... a formality of despair.
these people spend so much of their few remaining moments of their life after suddenly realizing how much they have taken life for granted, trying to extend their time, that they eventually die waiting for the governor to call.
im not saying one should abandon all hope, but when you get to the point of asking complete strangers to perform some mock gesture that they probably only tell you they performed to make you and themselves feel better... couldnt that time be better spent enjoying life, or coming to terms with death?

its like skydiving, and your parachute doesnt open.... do you flap your arms and try to fly for your last few minutes alive, or try to enjoy those last moments or atleast come to terms with death and your existence?

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Icelander said:
Bite me. This is a debate forum and if you don't like it leave.

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Actually no, this may be described as the debate forum, but as I said earlier, it wasn't that way until it devolved into a place for skeptics to pick on those with different ideas.  One of the principles in forcing the issue and remaking the Shroomery into his playground is in this thread.

Not every conversation has to be a debate, even in a "debate" forum.  Please notice I rarely debate here.

We had a few assholes that used to use opportunities like these to try and make people as miserable as they are/were.  Certain members come immediately to mind.  I consider them sad creatures and they have my deepest sympathies.

Let's remember where we are: The Shroooooomery.  Should we expect anything more?

Nope.

This ain't church or some "Brotherhood of the Shroom."  It's an underground where bottomfeeders wallowing in misery use drugs as a way to escape the pain that life has inflicted on them. 

Then, there's the good people.  Like you and me. 

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chef Jay said:
My little sister is terminally ill with leukemia and she is getting very close to the end.  Today she was admitted to the hospital with a kidney infection.  I just ask that you all could pray for her so that she is not in much pain and that she could pull through for me to see her again.  I live in Florida and She is at home in Pa.  This has been a very hard time for my family and I just hope that things can get better for her before she is gone. 
I do not believe in religions but I do believe in a connection to a higher power and that is the being I ask things of
What ever your beliefs are pray for her and our family.

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lukey2411 said:
I can't believe you guys managed to hijack this thread.

Go right ahead and make all sorts of threads on the topic, but someone obviously wants support; is it that hard to save your views on the topic for another thread and offer some simple words of kindness - without the logical deconstruction of it all?

"...do believe in a connection to a higher power" - this is probably why he posted it in this particular forum.

I don't wanna sound like (whatever the fuck I know you will call me) but have some tact and compassion. There are all sorts of ways you can try and justify this, but really, disconnect your logical brain for a second. My views are similar to yours, but shit, not the right time...



To the o.p, go spend time with her. I don't know why you aren't with her, and the reasons are probably understandable, but shit, just get there, go now. I can't imagine how I would feel if one of my immediate family were in that situation.

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I have compassion. I just didn't believe that my telling this person I would pray for their personal desires would be compassionate. In fact I felt the opposite.

Then I went on to discuss this issue as per the rules of this forum. I kind of consider their behavior inappropriate to this forum. If I was personally really upset I would be doing the praying and not asking others. And I would not be on my computer at the Shroomery.

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Icelander said:
Bite me. This is a debate forum and if you don't like it leave.

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Actually no, this may be described as the debate forum, but as I said earlier, it wasn't that way until it devolved into a place for skeptics to pick on those with different ideas.  One of the principles in forcing the issue and remaking the Shroomery into his playground is in this thread.

Not every conversation has to be a debate, even in a "debate" forum.  Please notice I rarely debate here.

We had a few assholes that used to use opportunities like these to try and make people as miserable as they are/were.  Certain members come immediately to mind.  I consider them sad creatures and they have my deepest sympathies.

Let's remember where we are: The Shroooooomery.  Should we expect anything more?

Nope.

This ain't church or some "Brotherhood of the Shroom."  It's an underground where bottomfeeders wallowing in misery use drugs as a way to escape the pain that life has inflicted on them. 

Then, there's the good people.  Like you and me. 

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