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Death The Key to Infinity?
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The universe created itself out of pure nothing, and when I mean pure, I mean complete and total nothing. There is no telling what absolute nothing looks like. Its not black, for light would theoretically have to exist to even understand the concept of black. But nothing, absolute nothing is what dictates everything, drives matter, time, space, reality etc, and that instant of nothing immediately takes place before every instant of creation. Reality is just a dying star of consciousness, your life, your thoughts, the universe you dictate has been decaying, shrinking, moving one step closer and closer towards its demise, since the instant you created yourself from nothing. There is no telling how old the universe is; its as old as you tell yourself, and quite frankly its the same age as you but again how old are you when you decide for yourself how you perceive time.

So why do we do it, keep creating? Are we searching for answers within ourselves, the universe, or do we create, live, thrive, in order to be infinite. I always wondered why life, a complex machine built and manufactured to be the universe's greatest achievement, why does it always fail, die, all life come to an end? Is there a point to this endless cycle of death? Is the key to creation and existence not contained in life and its living, but in its dying? Death is coming. Its right around the corner for each and every life form in existence. Why such a guarantee?

So why do we exist if the outcome is the always the same? To live. You've heard it a hundred times and and hopefully discovered it for yourself, that the meaning of life, is to live, but thats only half of the equation, actually you're missing the more important part, and that is the meaning of life is to die. You must die in order to exist. That is how the universe, actually you (God), figured out how to become infinite. Not physically speaking, but mentally. Infinity is an endless cycle of life and death. Time, space, matter, energy, etc. are not infinite in the infinite sense. They all have their end and their beginning. The only infinite part to all this, the only action, event, that is unchanging, is life and death itself.

Finally , when the consciousness of I expands to point of red giant status, the mind, reality, everything in your known universe implodes upon itself, gravitates towards it self, there comes a moment of intersection. When all knowledge, matter, energy, time, space, everything to be exact, pulls together, shrinks together, and comes to a head, the intersection of life and death takes place. Existence disappears and for just an instant, all things become nothing, and out of the nothing springs everything.

Do not be afraid. You built it this way. Its the only way.


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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Well, for one, we don't know that the universe emerged from nothing.

Also, I don't think we will ever know what this whole life deal is actually about. Are plants aware of their role in life? No, they just go with the motions.

I think we should do the same. Sometimes it's nice to just say "fuck it" and eat a hamburger.

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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mikebart101 said:
That is how the universe, actually you (God), figured out how to become infinite.


But death does not always come at the end of ones life, it is spontaneous and happens at all times lived. So how would one have time to figure this out, if it is killed off when it's young?


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Bernackums]
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how exactly does death not come at the end of one's life?

maybe that's because it's phrased badly. death is the end of one's life [with this current physical body]


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: demiu5]
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Ah, your right that was phrased very badly. What I meant to say was that many things die before they would have any time to "figure out" how to become infinite, so how would one become infinite? That was the question I was raising.


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Edited by Bernackums (01/02/08 04:51 PM)

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Bernackums]
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Where did nothing come from, what was it made of, and who the hell made it? lol jk


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Gretchenmeister]
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Much too complex for us to even speculate whether the universe came from "nothing" or not. Attempting this is futile. Even the most advanced forms of consciousness from the farthest reaches of the cosmos couldn't possibly know. Because the only thing that we do know is that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Only transfered or transformed. Therefore...


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Ginseng1]
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What I believe doesn't matter.

Or what anybody else does for really.

But I believe that there is this perfect and complete connection between consciousnes and clumps of energy aka matter.

The universe was dreamt into existance... but energy had to have existed for the dream to even be concieved in the first place.

Man.. forget it..


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Ginseng1]
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My question is if pure energy (all energy in the known universe) were to be collaborated and combined together, would there be anything else except complete and total nothing; just some incoceivable small minute point of everything that could also be considered nothing?

sorry for the spelling errors, my spell check will not function right now.


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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The universe created itself out of pure nothing, and when I mean pure, I mean complete and total nothing. There is no telling what absolute nothing looks like. Its not black, for light would theoretically have to exist to even understand the concept of black. But nothing, absolute nothing is what dictates everything, drives matter, time, space, reality etc, and that instant of nothing immediately takes place before every instant of creation. Reality is just a dying star of consciousness, your life, your thoughts, the universe you dictate has been decaying, shrinking, moving one step closer and closer towards its demise, since the instant you created yourself from nothing. There is no telling how old the universe is; its as old as you tell yourself, and quite frankly its the same age as you but again how old are you when you decide for yourself how you perceive time.

Hello? Here is a finite mind telling me what the infinite Universe is. Why do I doubt you are doing anything but subjectively guessing based on whatever you have been reading and thinking about lately. You have no way of knowing what the Universe did or did not create itself out of or if it created itself.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Icelander]
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I feel that the purpose of life sometimes is to truly accept death of oneself. I am not regarding my idea as fact, but merely presented it in the same way as you would compose your own idea to yourself; you would believe it.

I never had my own understanding of the movie 'The Fountain' until just recently. I feel that the whole thing is about accepting death, and that possibly the whole thing takes place in Jackman's head as he 'dies' at the foot of tree of life. All the contemporary plot is just his own form of release and that Izzy is his own personal manifestation of the queen and consequently his love for her is a love of life.

I would like to think that the concept of life, its evolution, etc. is dictated by baby steps; steps that one must take, one at a time, throughout the course of his/her own existence. These steps include, learning how to create oneself, help thyself, love thyself, and finally how to let go of oneself. I don't know if it is possible or even feasible to accomplish all within a lifetime, but instead you must tackle a single feat entirely, one at a time, forever.


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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mikebart101 said:
&feature=related

I feel that the purpose of life sometimes is to truly accept death of oneself. I am not regarding my idea as fact, but merely presented it in the same way as you would compose your own idea to yourself; you would believe it.

I never had my own understanding of the movie 'The Fountain' until just recently. I feel that the whole thing is about accepting death, and that possibly the whole thing takes place in Jackman's head as he 'dies' at the foot of tree of life. All the contemporary plot is just his own form of release and that Izzy is his own personal manifestation of the queen and consequently his love for her is a love of life.

I would like to think that the concept of life, its evolution, etc. is dictated by baby steps; steps that one must take, one at a time, throughout the course of his/her own existence. These steps include, learning how to create oneself, help thyself, love thyself, and finally how to let go of oneself. I don't know if it is possible or even feasible to accomplish all within a lifetime, but instead you must tackle a single feat entirely, one at a time, forever.


What a beautiful post. I couldn't agree more.:thumbup: When I saw the Fountain I was just beginning to delve deeply into my death anxiety. I saw the metaphor and so watched it several times to help it all sink in. It's a powerful movie.

Edited by Icelander (01/07/08 09:23 AM)

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
You have no way of knowing what the Universe did or did not create itself out of or if it created itself.



You obviously have never done DMT, 400 mics of Orange Sunshine, 5 grams of shrooms and a dozen peyote buttons at the same time.


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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No, I accidentally added some ketamine.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: Icelander]
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Sheesh! Everyone knows that negates the cosmic knowledge portion of the show. :nono:


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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mikebart101 said:
My question is if pure energy (all energy in the known universe) were to be collaborated and combined together, would there be anything else except complete and total nothing; just some incoceivable small minute point of everything that could also be considered nothing?


This happened.  The entire universe was condensed into an inconceivably small volume of infinite density and infinite energy.  What happened next was the Big Bang and the universe has been expanding ever since.  What was in that atom sized universe was definitely not nothing.  The question to me is what if anything was outside of the this atom sized universe...?
:strokebeard:


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: JackthaTripper]
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JackthaTripper said:
This happened.  The entire universe was condensed into an inconceivably small volume of infinite density and infinite energy.  What happened next was the Big Bang and the universe has been expanding ever since.  What was in that atom sized universe was definitely not nothing.  The question to me is what if anything was outside of the this atom sized universe...?
:strokebeard:


I used to think the same way, that a 'physically' huge amount of energy, bigger than anything conceivable to the human mind, was condensed into a very small ball and consequently exploded; however, I have a different belief as to what took place.

Think of the universe as infinitely infinite in every way, most importantly infinitely energetic. That being so, no matter how big or small a piece of the universe you wish to understand, it is just as infinite in its being as the entire show. Now rewind to the beginning. There is nothing around; nothing happening, no energy whatsoever and consequently no matter, until something unexpected took place that remains a mystery to this day. A small piece of energy, possibly just 1 atom, a piece of an atom, something not completely nothing to be exact came into existence. Although small in earthly terms, it quickly diffused throughout the nothing like air in a vacuum and turned all that nothing into something. That small, weightless, almost nothing piece of something, expanded and expanded until that something became our lives, the universe, everything.


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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mikebart101 said:
Think of the universe as infinitely infinite in every way, most importantly infinitely energetic. That being so, no matter how big or small a piece of the universe you wish to understand, it is just as infinite in its being as the entire show


Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, are you saying that a section of the universe is just as infinite as the entire universe, in terms of energy? If so this doesn't align with Conservation of Mass/Energy.




mikebart101 said:
Now rewind to the beginning. There is nothing around; nothing happening, no energy whatsoever and consequently no matter, until something unexpected took place that remains a mystery to this day. A small piece of energy, possibly just 1 atom, a piece of an atom, something not completely nothing to be exact came into existence. Although small in earthly terms, it quickly diffused throughout the nothing like air in a vacuum and turned all that nothing into something. That small, weightless, almost nothing piece of something, expanded and expanded until that something became our lives, the universe, everything.


Once again I don't see how an atom could 'diffuse' into a void creating more mass as it grows. Mass/energy cannot be created or destroyed.


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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: JackthaTripper]
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Created or destroyed; created or destroyed, but what about manipulated, transformed, changed, etc?

As human beings, we always think of powerful things/events as physically large, loud, bright, and so forth, but when in reality a single atom or cell may contain more energy in itself than we have the capacity to understand; that every piece of the puzzle could very well be just as powerful as the whole.

The strange thing that scientists are discovering about the conservation of mass/energy is that those equations work perfectly for large objects like planets and galaxies, but when one moves down to the atomic scale, problems begin to emerge and those equations hold no ground. There are no point masses, and consequently energy can not be attached to any member accurately.


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So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

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Re: Death The Key to Infinity? [Re: mikebart101]
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mikebart101 said:
The strange thing that scientists are discovering about the conservation of mass/energy is that those equations work perfectly for large objects like planets and galaxies, but when one moves down to the atomic scale, problems begin to emerge and those equations hold no ground. There are no point masses, and consequently energy can not be attached to any member accurately.


Quantum mechanics is a tricky beast and I have not devoted enough time to understand its complexities, but we are talking about a very massive universe were Conservation of Mass and Energy definitely holds true.


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