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Atheism and Shroom-taking
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I was wondering if there are any other atheists on these boards who do shrooms. Many people talk about spiritual experiences or other instances seemingly supernatural as reasons to take shrooms, as a method of expanding your mind in these ways. But I can't think of any reason to do shrooms other than they are a fun thing to do. Having said that, I truly want to believe that there is something to be learned or experienced through the use of hallucinogens.

What I'm trying to get at is why would an atheist do shrooms knowing full-well (if only in in their own mind) that the result will be nothing more than a chemical imbalance temporarily altering the way we perceive the world. Furthermore would a trip even have any lasting relevance to an atheist?

I ask these things because I find myself inexplicably attracted to the effects of shrooms; an attraction that goes beyond "its fun to trip" but I can't quite place it. Almost a spiritual aura to it, but in my mind there is no room for religion or spirituality.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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MeatyVitamin said:
What I'm trying to get at is why would an atheist do shrooms knowing full-well (if only in in their own mind) that the result will be nothing more than a chemical imbalance temporarily altering the way we perceive the world. Furthermore would a trip even have any lasting relevance to an atheist?



Uhhh because it temporarily alters the way we perceive the world ,,,, Why would an atheist not wana do shrooms ??

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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: benrules92]
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LSD is slowly softening my atheism into a form of agnosticism/spiritualism. We'll see where it goes.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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very very interesting question i used to be religous actaully lsd is what introduced the thought to me that beleving in something you cant prove have never experinced and were just told your whole life is fucking retarded im agnostic but i guess we will al find out someday who wins this stupid argument about religion and god.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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"I ask these things because I find myself inexplicably attracted to the effects of shrooms; an attraction that goes beyond "its fun to trip" but I can't quite place it. Almost a spiritual aura to it, but in my mind there is no room for religion or spirituality."

I felt EXACTLY like that, until I took 7g dried... I guess I could call the experience I had spiritual. but still, a total atheist (I was more just skeptical) might have the exact same experience (a connection to the "source of it all", and everything in the universe, as well as meeting various alien entities) and not feel the need to label it "spiritual". That "source" doesn't have to be named God, and those entities you meet might not be "spirits". You might say "yeah, but they're all just hallucinations" but in my opinion the things you experience on a level 4+ trip of shrooms feel more real than anything ever has in your life (while you're on them, anyways). I'm rambling, stoned, sorry. haha.

I guess my point is that maybe if you do a higher dose, or maybe just have a more mentally focused trip, your opinion of what the experience really is might change...

but then again who knows? Maybe there's just a hidden scientific explanation for some of the specific effects/experiences of a trip.

Edited by CMACD (12/18/07 02:15 AM)

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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Ness1]
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Ness1 said:
LSD is slowly softening my atheism into a form of agnosticism/spiritualism. We'll see where it goes.


Yup, same for me except with shrooms instead.

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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: somebody041]
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It sounds like you're already having trouble reconciling your beliefs (or lack thereof) and your experiences.

Either way, have fun.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: somebody041]
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As an atheist, I still find shrooms 'spiritual.'
It should also be noted that many Buddhists are atheists and yet they find extreme therapy in meditation.
I suppose you could put tripping on the same level as meditation and get your explanation.
Just because you know everything can be explained does not mean its any less magical.
In the future, human-created technology will be so strange and unimaginable that, to our minds, it may as well be magic. That isn't to say it actually is magic (because it can obviously be created through science), but it may as well be. This sort of logic can easily be applied to tripping.
The psychedelic experience is such a different state of intoxication from everything else that it is, in a sense, 'spiritual.' It at least mimics religious revelation, ecstasy, etc.

Just like life, the wonder of tripping is not lost because of your religious beliefs. Chemical reactions are just as marvelous as "God's designs."

Also, you have to admit that experiencing the world in such a bizarre way is pretty awesome.


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Edited by Veter (12/18/07 02:40 AM)

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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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Plenty of people can learn a lot from psychedelics without believing anything spiritual. Psychedelics don't have to either be just a chemical imbalance in your brain, or a spiritual tool- you can use them for self-exploration and inner growth regardless of your beliefs.

Like a lot of people, I was a cynical atheist before I did psychedelics and got turned on to what you might call the Clear Light. All-pervasive, vibrating, pure positive energy. Then again, there's not necessarily anything spiritual about that. If I was to talk about my "spiritual" experiences in atheist terms I'd just say I became aware of energy fields I hadn't previously known about.

Spirituality is to do with different planes of being and levels of awareness, in my opinion. You can lead a thoroughly spiritual life style without thinking everything in the universe was created and is maintained by an all-powerful conscious being.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: benrules92]
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I'm not saying an atheist wouldn't want to do shrooms, I'm just wondering the reasons why one would.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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MeatyVitamin said:
I'm not saying an atheist wouldn't want to do shrooms, I'm just wondering the reasons why one would.


cause they wanna trip balls, duh

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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: somebody041]
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Haha, thats the obvious answer. I was just exploring other reasons for use by atheists.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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what about mushrooms draw you more than other types of drugs?


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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dude i used to use them because of my extreme obsession of what makes people tick, what makes them the way they, are doing this is so easy especially on lsd and ayahausca. i also use them to step to an outsiders perspective and view this disease known as humans as a stranger, sometims an outsider can provide the best insight onto a sitaution, also nothing is more beutifull than staring into the heavens while in the middle of an lsd trip i mean nothing.
art, poetry so many opportunities u have the key to open the door to true and untouched creativity the only thing that really matters in this fucked up existance we call reality.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: SleepyF0x]
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I only say mushrooms because it is what I have experience with, a comparison to drugs I have no access or necessary want to try for the moment isn't particularly useful. I also read an interesting article linking mushrooms and spiritual experiences which got me thinking.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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Why would an atheist do shrooms? Self exploration would be my guess. I wouldn't know because in the end I really wouldn't know ANYTHING now would I?


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
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I first got into psychedelics, as an atheist, because I had severe insomnia and thought some revealing of my subconscious might explain why I couldn't sleep, and maybe even silence my inner noise.

Like benrules said- why would an atheist not want to do mushrooms? There can be many benefits that come as a result of psychedelics, it doesn't just have to be spiritual advancement.

An atheist can still gain knowledge of themselves and the world, help overcome their ego and totally change and improve the way they relate to other people. That aside, they could just want to take psychedelics for fun. Psychedelics have a tendency to just shatter one's preconceptions and beliefs, so whatever you believe before the experience, you'll probably gain the same thing from it as someone with totally different views.

That said, if you're enough of a scum bag, psychedelics aren't going to fix you, as MK ULTRA proved.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: EllisDSox]
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To me, God, entities, spirits, the Whole concept of what it means to be spiritual and related segments of thought (heaven, hell, daemons) are merely words to desribe un-deniable qualities your own neurology can give your awareness.

In a way, no one is beyond their own neurology; thus you could look at the concept of Atheism as a blanket label as describing your current neurological arrangement. I have had many arrangements deserving of many labels, Athiest and God Mind included.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
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To me, God, entities, spirits, the Whole concept of what it means to be spiritual and related segments of thought (heaven, hell, daemons) are merely words to desribe un-deniable qualities your own neurology can give your awareness.


Indeedy do. Angels, heaven, hell, Clear Light, and God are all realms of consciousness. :thumbup:


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: EllisDSox]
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I rolled dice to get to most of those places!:awesome:


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