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Shamanintraining
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
#7774118 - 12/18/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MeatyVitamin said: I was wondering if there are any other atheists on these boards who do shrooms. Many people talk about spiritual experiences or other instances seemingly supernatural as reasons to take shrooms, as a method of expanding your mind in these ways. But I can't think of any reason to do shrooms other than they are a fun thing to do. Having said that, I truly want to believe that there is something to be learned or experienced through the use of hallucinogens.
What I'm trying to get at is why would an atheist do shrooms knowing full-well (if only in in their own mind) that the result will be nothing more than a chemical imbalance temporarily altering the way we perceive the world. Furthermore would a trip even have any lasting relevance to an atheist?
I ask these things because I find myself inexplicably attracted to the effects of shrooms; an attraction that goes beyond "its fun to trip" but I can't quite place it. Almost a spiritual aura to it, but in my mind there is no room for religion or spirituality.
LSD made be believe in something, but I'm not sure what.
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RonaldFuckingPaul
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Smoke some Salvia or DMT then come back and tell me you don't believe in trans-dimensional entities. Go in with an open mind though, I think that's the key.
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
#7774263 - 12/18/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I eat mushrooms to make Robot Chicken more entertaining.
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Orbital_Saucer
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Apollyphelion said: To me, God, entities, spirits, the Whole concept of what it means to be spiritual and related segments of thought (heaven, hell, daemons) are merely words to desribe un-deniable qualities your own neurology can give your awareness.
In a way, no one is beyond their own neurology; thus you could look at the concept of Atheism as a blanket label as describing your current neurological arrangement. I have had many arrangements deserving of many labels, Athiest and God Mind included.
Spoken like a true atheist.
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PoisonedV
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Atheism for the win.
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g00ru
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: PoisonedV]
#7774513 - 12/18/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm an atheist, and I can't imagine tripping is any less special or 'real' for me than it is for a theist.
I almost don't know how to answer this question. If/when I meet entities while tripping i don't come away thinking it was god, I come away thinking it was part of myself (albeit a very abstract part of my subconscious). I don't think it was 'just a hallucination,' to me any experience i have while tripping is very real and worthwhile.
I'm one of the few people who remained as much a cynical atheist after i started tripping as before.
BTW, I disagree with those who say Atheism is as much a religion as a belief in god. For some people it might be, but I know at least for me atheism is simply the only possible answer I can logically accept about god. I would have to write pages to explain why but for now I'll leave it at that.
And one more thing. Agnostic is not an alternative to atheism or theism. You're one or the other. If you don't actively believe in god, you're an atheist.
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wireless
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
#7774643 - 12/18/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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MeatyVitamin said: I'm not saying an atheist wouldn't want to do shrooms, I'm just wondering the reasons why one would.
Because they want to learn more about themselves. I at one point considered myself an atheist, mostly out of ignorance. Then I began using drugs and considered myself an agnostic. Now I consider myself a Deist and somewhat of a transcendentalist. In reality we are ALL agnostics because that's a fact. We really don't know, but that doesn't change your faith. I find faith absolutely necessary to live a happy and productive life and it is critical that the world has it to. Without it we would live in anarchy and chaos because faith is what allows us to develop a sense of morals as a community. Yes individuals might have morals but as a group faith allows us to create laws which are all based off morals which are taught from religion.
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TTT
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: wireless]
#7774958 - 12/18/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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wireless said:
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MeatyVitamin said: I'm not saying an atheist wouldn't want to do shrooms, I'm just wondering the reasons why one would.
Because they want to learn more about themselves. I at one point considered myself an atheist, mostly out of ignorance. Then I began using drugs and considered myself an agnostic. Now I consider myself a Deist and somewhat of a transcendentalist. In reality we are ALL agnostics because that's a fact. We really don't know, but that doesn't change your faith. I find faith absolutely necessary to live a happy and productive life and it is critical that the world has it to. Without it we would live in anarchy and chaos because faith is what allows us to develop a sense of morals as a community. Yes individuals might have morals but as a group faith allows us to create laws which are all based off morals which are taught from religion.
Laws that not everyone would agree with. People have different views and this thread is a great example of that. Itd be impossible imo for everyone to agree on everything 100%, which is what itd probably take for a society like the one you described, to run properly.
Anyway, ignore me Im stoned and rambling
Besides, isnt that what conservative politicians are doing?
an·ar·chy /ˈænərki/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[an-er-kee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. a state of society without government or law. 2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. 3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society. 4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith.
I like the 3rd best.
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Divided_Sky
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: g00ru]
#7775080 - 12/18/07 07:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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guruu said: If/when I meet entities while tripping i don't come away thinking it was god, I come away thinking it was part of myself (albeit a very abstract part of my subconscious). I don't think it was 'just a hallucination,' to me any experience i have while tripping is very real and worthwhile.
I think you are on to something, but I would go a step further and ask what is REALLY the difference? Are our minds and the world around us seperate things? I mean if everything is in your mind when you talk to your freinds are they any more real than mushroom entities?
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kody260z
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Divided_Sky]
#7775237 - 12/18/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I don't think it makes a difference - an atheist can easily have the same kind of spiritual, eye opening experience that taps into unknown forces and potentials without attributing it to some "God"...
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symbiotic
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: kody260z]
#7776478 - 12/19/07 04:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe that the truth of the matter is far more terrifying, that the real truth that dare not speak itself is that no one is in control, absolutely no one. This stuff is ruled by the equations of dynamics and chaos. There may be entities seeking control, but to seek control is to take enormous aggravation upon yourself. It's like trying to control a dream.-Terence Mckenna
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: symbiotic]
#7776490 - 12/19/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was a straight up atheist...a few acid and shroom trips later I decided I couldn't be sure about what's out there either way.
I've found the only honest answer to all the big questions about our existence is 'I don't know'.
seems to me that's the way it's supposed to be. no one knows, and no one is supposed to. just enjoy the ride.
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symbiotic
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: substraight]
#7776495 - 12/19/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As far as looking for the answer to all questions I have finally came to the conclusion...that there is no conclusion.
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MindGorilla
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What is spirituality to you meaty? I myself don't believe in god, but am a very spiritual person. I can feel connected with mother earth and the people around me, because I don't need a God to feel that way.
I think to be Atheist and rule out the fact of a God is more of a statement then it is a belief. I agree that pretty much any religion that came from man or earth is bogus. Although you have to consider all the powers and entities in our never ending universe, you simply can't know enough to say there isn't a god.
It sounds like you have your head so set on being Atheist you are not giving the mushrooms a chance to show you the "way".
Like Ellis profile.
"Rather than continuing to seek the truth, simply let go of your views." Gautama Buddha.
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Atheist
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
#7776820 - 12/19/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i love shrooms!
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symbiotic
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Atheist]
#7777063 - 12/19/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Beliefs build walls" Religion is the same pagan sun worshipping story that has been repeated hundreds of times...but with the same story line three wise men follow star to find messiah, messiahs born of a virgin whose name starts with the letter M, messiah starts teachings at age 30, crucified, rises again three days later...it's been the same fucking story repeated since the egyptians, look it up.
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: symbiotic]
#7777085 - 12/19/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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there are two ways but one truth. thats pretty much the reality pf it all.
wjhich is which. you tell me who the fuck knows. so the question isnt about who is atheist or not. its about what is real and what is not.
and the anzswer? yes
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SCleROTiUM_LICK
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Atheist]
#7777114 - 12/19/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why does an atheist cross a road?
To get to the other side probably.
Is every action you take informed by your atheism? If not, then why would tripping be any different.
If tripping equates to a divine experience in your mind, then you are not an atheist, you are just someone who has turned their back on a God in whom they believe.
Surely you realize that for everyone experiencing the divine in a drug, more experience the divine without it. Some see God in nature- will you no longer take hikes? Some see the image of God in shadows and stains- will you confine yourself to freshly painted, well lit rooms?
That being said- I don't think anyone should provide anyone else with a reason for tripping. But I hope I've helped to show that the two are not necessarily inconsistent.
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Atheist
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you'r talkin to me about god when my name says i do not believe in god 
iv read countless threads where people say DMT or shrooms or LSD is spiritual and so on....
uhhhhh they are fucking DRUGS and it is all in your BRAINS, those spirits you see when you hit the DMT pipe or eat shrooms ARE ALL IN YOUR HEAD
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MotorCityMadman
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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Atheist]
#7777298 - 12/19/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ha, this thread makes me chuckle.
I was an agnostic until I started tripping. Now I am an atheist.
Why? Because shrooms gave me a deeper understanding of REALITY.
My corner of it anyway. YMMV.
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