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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7772852 - 12/18/07 05:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah? I took acid.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7772869 - 12/18/07 05:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, man, if you got a 20-sider that rolls true, a trade might be in order;-)


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7772893 - 12/18/07 05:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with Apollyphelion, I believe all these "experiences" are part of our consciousness and the idea of a higher power is similar in many cultures depending on learned [religious] ideas and expectations...


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: c0_hush]
    #7772900 - 12/18/07 06:12 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am atheist and there is still a spiritual aura to them for me. For me spirituality has nothing to do with religion, I still believe in the spirit and that everyone has one. It is what drives us and I think mushrooms lsd or other hallucinogens are an amazing way to explore yourself. My personal beliefs go along the lines of becoming enlightened and live a truly happy life along with my fellow man.

Plus they are fun!


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7772925 - 12/18/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am an agnostic. I take shrooms and LSD with complete skepticism as far as spiritual experiences go. I take them because they'll either make an adventure out of my day, make boring situations crazy, etc, or because psychedelics show me the impossible. Sure, it's drug induced, but that doesn't change the fact that it is something that you cannot comprehend.

They're extraordinary for me, but I don't think of them as a spiritual thing. I don't look down on people who do treat them as such though. Sometimes I meditate on pot and shrooms but it isn't really a spiritual meditation. I believe my mind is a universe, and whether it's operating on chemicals or a spiritual level doesn't mean I can't really explore the depths of it.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7772960 - 12/18/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Furthermore would a trip even have any lasting relevance to an atheist?




i dont think anyone could trip on mushrooms and be like 'yeah i guess it was ok...' afterwards. its usually a pretty life changing journey.
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I ask these things because I find myself inexplicably attracted to the effects of shrooms; an attraction that goes beyond "its fun to trip" but I can't quite place it. Almost a spiritual aura to it, but in my mind there is no room for religion or spirituality.




maybe its because as a human being, its your nature to be drawn to the spiritual, but because your so convinced its bullshit, your subconscience just found a new way to get its fix of spirituality. after all mushrooms and other entheogens are most likely the root of the first religious and spiritual thought anyway


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I remember being in DARE when i was much younger and some of the stories they would tell you are not only ridiculous, but completely untrue. One story was that a woman was on LSD and thought her infant was a turkey so she baked it in the oven. Now I look back and think thats hilarious, but at the time I guess it scared me.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Frosty_Storm]
    #7772967 - 12/18/07 07:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I am atheist and there is still a spiritual aura to them for me. For me spirituality has nothing to do with religion, I still believe in the spirit and that everyone has one. It is what drives us and I think mushrooms lsd or other hallucinogens are an amazing way to explore yourself. My personal beliefs go along the lines of becoming enlightened and live a truly happy life along with my fellow man.

Plus they are fun!




well said


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grassman said:

I remember being in DARE when i was much younger and some of the stories they would tell you are not only ridiculous, but completely untrue. One story was that a woman was on LSD and thought her infant was a turkey so she baked it in the oven. Now I look back and think thats hilarious, but at the time I guess it scared me.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: clover606]
    #7772971 - 12/18/07 07:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

agreed.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7773094 - 12/18/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying an atheist wouldn't want to do shrooms, I'm just wondering the reasons why one would.




I personally take LSD and shrooms to make sure I never forget about the automatic filtering my brain is doing constantly. No matter how sure that I am right about something I can always be wrong. There are billions of people on this planet and if you actually sat down and talked to each of them about their spiritual beliefs I'm sure you'd find at the least slight differences and at most completely opposite view points. There is no one way to look at a problem and psychedelics help me by reminding me to step back and look at this in a completely different way. Often I either reaffirm my beliefs through that by coming to the same conclusion a different way or realize a million other possibilities and ideas I need to sort through. Ontop of that not every trip has to be a mind altering experience, sometimes its just fun to get together with friends and go balls-ass-out-of-our-minds, talk in weird metaphores for what we actually mean because our minds are racing and we cant stop long enough to actually talk.

Besides, what other drugs can make you appreciate the full beauty to be found in your own wall. :wink:


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Frosty_Storm]
    #7773147 - 12/18/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I am atheist and there is still a spiritual aura to them for me. For me spirituality has nothing to do with religion, I still believe in the spirit and that everyone has one. It is what drives us and I think mushrooms lsd or other hallucinogens are an amazing way to explore yourself. My personal beliefs go along the lines of becoming enlightened and live a truly happy life along with my fellow man.

Plus they are fun!





I agree 110% except I am Agnostic and not Athiest.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7773273 - 12/18/07 10:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am an Atheist but I have had many, many eye-opening "spiritual" experiences on mushrooms. Atheism has nothing to do with spirituality, it has to do with the dis-belief in a deity or deities. I don't believe in a "god" or invisible man in the sky, but I DO believe something is going on here. So, I would trip to better understand the world around me, and I don't agree with you that tripping is "just a chemical imbalance in the brain." That isn't even true...


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7773411 - 12/18/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm an atheist... or atleast i WAS, im not too sure now.

i still dont follow a religion, but i respect nature as the bringer of life, and that you have to contribute to the planet and respect it.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7773453 - 12/18/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

for fun or for inner exploration??


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7773729 - 12/18/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Do not mix-up spirituality and religion.

A spiritual person does not HAVE to believe in a god, it simply means you belive there could be another form of existance after death.

I'm an agnostic, but I still find many biblistic views very wrong. I believe it would take infinite knowledge to understand an infinitely powerful being (God).

As for an Atheist taking shrooms? Perfectly fine, people do it all the time and usually gain a spiritual outlook afterwards. Psilocin is a chemical that alters your thinking, and opens up a door to your sub-conscious, which we all know is the more psychic and knowing part of our brain.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7773733 - 12/18/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I was raised an atheist, by a family that was ardently atheist. It is in fact my psychedelic experiences that have led me to believe atheism is just another system of belief, whose believers simply like to think that they don't have a belief system...when in fact their choice of "non-belief" is a belief system all in its own. I think psychedelics can be a key for many people to experience religion the way it should be experienced - as an internal processing of one's relation with the external world...to me psychedelics absolutely challenge the concepts behind organized religion and internalize the religious experience and make it much deeper than any surface joining in of group ritual could do....too much to say on this topic, really.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7773775 - 12/18/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I think you've got the wrong attitude if you take mushrooms with your beliefs already fixed. If you've decided you ARE an atheist there is no more reason to take mushrooms than if you are christian fundamentalist because the real point of psychedelics is that they show you things beyond your habitual point of view.

I suggest that if you are into psychedelics take an ideological moratorium, because you aren't going to get much out of them if you are already commited to one point of view.

I know every brain is different. I have never had fun on mushrooms though I have had profound spiritual experiences. In fact mushrooms are probobly one of the last things I would choose for having fun, for me they are extremely intense, volatile and even scary, but nonetheless I consider them very sacred and spiritual substances.

If you really want there is no theology required for the psychotherapeautic view, the idea is to explore your unconscious mind and maybe fix a few things that are out of alignment. Acid in particular has had a very positive impact in making me more of an existentialist. That said, most of the people that started using psychedelics for exploring the mind became very spiritual minded in the end.

However, if you can do them and only care about looking at pretty colors it will probobly get old and you will eventually get more than you bargained for.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7773784 - 12/18/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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EllisDSox said:
Yeah? I took acid.




That'll do it! Yeehaw!


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7773844 - 12/18/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Im a complete atheist, and shrooms has not changed that at all. I am spiritual, but I dont link spirituality to religion. And shrooms helps me achieve this spirituality. My psychedelic use is in lieu of not having a religion basically.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7773878 - 12/18/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm an atheist that trips. I don't really believe in a higher power. But I'm open to abunch of other crazy possibilities that explain what's going on.


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Re: Atheism and Shroom-taking [Re: Banana03]
    #7774001 - 12/18/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

atheist is like one of my most unlied words
no offence.
i mean what the fuck is that supposed to mean.
trip your balls of and dont worry about silly words and labels


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