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OfflineOld_Man_Trouble
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Reaction to shrooms...
    #366635 - 08/04/01 10:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hi, i was thinking about shrooming for the first soon but i'm a bit nervous about something. I recently stopped smoking weed after about a year of on/off smoking. Here's the thing though, weed has recently started to make me really paranoid - that's why i stopped smoking it. It started with little things like wondering if my friends really like me or not..and then, depending on how much I smoked, it would turn into really irrational schizophrenic style fears - i knew they were'nt real but the fact that i was thinking about these things kinda freaked me out. Anyway my question is, will I have the same kind of reaction to shrooms? I know that cannabis is known for causing paranoia whereas shrooms aren't but I really don't know much about shroom effects.

If anyone could help me out that would be great. Thanks.



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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: Old_Man_Trouble]
    #366815 - 08/04/01 07:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I do not think so. I have been getting more paranoid sorta on weed too, I think you'll react to shrooms very differently.



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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: Old_Man_Trouble]
    #366863 - 08/04/01 09:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

if you don't try u don't know...
btw weed make me paranoid too...

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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: CLuB99]
    #367360 - 08/05/01 09:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think almost all weed makes everyone paranoid, for a possible suggestion of what may happen to you on shrooms is what happened to me:
im almost always paranoid on weed, not so much anymore since ive become more used to it, but when i first shroomed on a half eighth i was talking to my friends family PEAKING and i had no fear that they would know (beside the fact that my eyes were dilated as fuck). i talked almost perfectly normal and they didnt notice the entire time i talked to them. whereas on weed i don't want to even be in the same house with them. i dunno maybe this will happen to you, too.

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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: Old_Man_Trouble]
    #367402 - 08/05/01 11:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yep, that ol' reefer paranoia. That's why I stopped (long ago) too. You walk into a room full of people who are talking & laughing, & you just know they're all laughing at YOU. Every offhand remark you hear takes on sinister double & triple meanings. If you're REALLY toasted you realize you're sending out powerful telepathic signals of stonedness, & the secret psychic police are probably tuning in on them & fixing your location.

Shrooms are different, honest. Of course you want to be somewhere safe & comfortable up thru the peak, 'cause it isn't that easy to carry on a straight mundane conversation when your whole universe is expanding in previously unimaginable ways, but on the long downsope you're likely to feel extra-sociable & enjoy talking with people.



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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: Woodsman]
    #367488 - 08/06/01 02:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think that the trip is so different that you will be fine...shrooms naturally make you feel more relaxed and at one with everything..I have never gotten paranoid on shrooms (doesn't mean it doesn't happen) but you will understand when you take them...you most likely won't get paranoid...take care




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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: Old_Man_Trouble]
    #367505 - 08/06/01 02:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I did have one mushroom trip that was full of paranoia and all that bullshit. It was only bad because I was the only one trippin out of like 20 people so you could probably imagine. When I'm around others who are tripping though it's pretty much the exact opposite of that trip.

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Re: Reaction to shrooms... [Re: Old_Man_Trouble]
    #367591 - 08/06/01 09:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Shrooms can cause paranoia, sometimes far more than weed. This shouldn't be a problem though so long you start with a smallish dose and make sure you are in a comfortable environment.



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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: Phyl]
    #367674 - 08/06/01 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I started smoking WEED about 12 months ago, but havent smoked for the past 3 months, well small amounts, and I will tell you why.

When I first started smoking, I really enjoyed it. After a few months, I started smoking more amounts on the 2 or 3 days a week I did it.

Then after about 7 months I started smoking even more amounts and sometimes up to 4 times a week.

I always ignored the pounding in my chest. My heart would feel like it was going to F**K** EXPLODE. It worried me a lot, because I have a heart murmer, that I was born with. But the pounding in my heart would usually go away after about 30 mins, then I would enjoy the high.

Now in general I tend to be a somewhat nervous person. So the weed helped me relax. And it was also something to entertain myself with. Because of a few medical problems I have, I live a limited life.

About 2 months ago, I had something very upsetting happen in my life. Let me just say I lost something that was very dear to me. I also live with two cronic medical conditions, that limit from doing a lot of things I would like to do, mainly because I am in pain and always feel sick to my stomach.

Well weed was my escape, I enjoyed it SO MUCH, I smoked and smoked. And I also found that when stuck home on a weekday not hanging with friends, I would smoke up lots and fool around on the computer. I could spend hours entertaining myself on the computer. It was a great way to pass the time away in my boring life.

Well a few days after the disaster in my life, I was smoking heavy, still enjoying it, and it helped me escape reality.

I awoke one morning with what felt like a racing heart. I had trouble breathing, and this would come in go in epsiodes. Of course I stopped SMOKING right away.

But the symptons returned. Finally on DAY 5 I felt exhausted and breathless. I could no longer take it, and had a friend drive me to the ER on a Sunday night.

Now I have never done any other drugs in my life but marijuana, but I do drink heavy once or twice a week. I also never have smoked cigarettes only marijuana.

When I got into the ER, I could barely explain what was wrong I was so out of breath. They took my blood presure first and told me it was a little high.

They then hooked me up to a heart monitor, they told me my heart rate was exactly 180 beats per min. I was actually turning white, I felt at that moment I was having a heart-attack. The quickly gave me and IV, brought down my heart rate, gave me a Xanax and sent me home 4 hours later.

It took me 2 months for the pains to go away in my chest. Of course I have no insurance, but needed to have my heart murmer completly checked out again. So after lots of test, ecocartograms, etc, etc, my heart doctor said my heart murmer is FINE, and has not changed since it was last checked out roughly 10 years ago.

Of course after this I swore to GOD I would never smoke again. But one night I tried smoking some of the same batch then I think caused this whole epsiode.

I smoked just a 3 small hits from my bowl. Again my heart started to POUND! I had a brutal anxiety attack, no one home and no one to help calm me, (but I couldn't have told parents I was having an anxity attack from smoking weed, they dont know I smoke even though I am 24 years old) I took a DOUBLE XANAX and it didn't DO A THING. I had to sweat it out for almost 3 hours. I hoped that my heart would come back down and it did.

The next day I flushed the remaining weed. One month later I tried smoking again with a close friend. This time I took just 1 small hit. I felt good, of course I had a few beers in me (atleast 8) so I took another bigger hit. Then the same thing, not as bad this time, but the terribly anxiety was there. I tryed everthing to hide it from my friend, and I just couldnt. This panic attack did not last nearly as long, perhaps because I was very drunk.

Now after another 3 months I haven't smoked since. No matter even if I smoke a drop, My mind constantly worries about my heart rate, and in-turn I cannot enjoy the HIGH AT ALL.

I am so disapointed, my smoking career of about 7 months is now over. I miss smoking weed so much, it helped me get through most of my boring days of life. It also helped me escape reality and forget about my (not life-threating), but just annoying inconvient illness.

Now I keep thinking about growing my own shrooms. I have been reading about them for almost 3 years. But still have never tried them.

I dunno if my whole epsiode with my heart was brought on, by the terrible thing that happened in my life, combined with the heavy smoking lack of excersise at the time, and heavy drinking?

I dunno what to think. I do know that in my mind I can no longer smoke, because the only thing I can think about after taking a HIT is my heart rate.

Very disapointed. I find myself trying to find some other type of drug, that could remove me from reality just for a little while. Weed was perfect. To afraid to try anything else, have been considering mushrooms, really the only other drug I think I would try, but wondering if I cant handle a GOOD stone anymore, I would probably FREAK on shrooms.

I think maybe I could try popping a good dose of Xanex before smoking, but I don't want to get into that habbit.

Desperate for any advice from anyone here.

Should I even consider a small amount of shrooms, or am I asking for a disaster?

Yesterday night for the first time I actually smoked some weed with a friend and had a good time. I did take a Xanex 45 minutes prior to smoking, so I guess that is why I didnt have much anxiety.



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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: MushroomMan]
    #367720 - 08/06/01 04:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i'm the same, mushroomman, when i first started smoking weed it was a blast, but after doing shrooms and acid and ecstacy i have no desire to waste my money on a drug that i really don't enjoy. it just makes me tired, lazy, and most of the time the comedown is quite unenjoyable because i'm too tired to move but too awake to go to sleep. i love uppers, amphetamines and acid are my fav drugs because they both get me goin like crazy

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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: HB]
    #367807 - 08/06/01 07:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm I think I would probably die if I took uppers from a heart-attack.

I am a nervous high-strung person normally. I am hoping to get a mellow slow out of it dreamy feeling from shrooms.

I wouldn't enjoy them if there were really racey, but then again I dunno because I have never tried them YET.

No matter what I am sure I will have to resort to growing my own, there impossible to find on the streets in the Northeast.



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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: MushroomMan]
    #367828 - 08/06/01 07:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

m'man, just take some shrooms sitting around with a couple friends in a darkened room with some mellow instruments, candle light is nice, incense, if you can play guitars or other instruments that can be relaxing and mellowing break those out, otherwise just listen to music with good friends and talk and be entertained, if there are woods close to your house take a walk out into those, and enjoy nature, pondering your existence in nature is always an awesome thing, regardless of what pyschadelic drug you're on. if you let mushies be chill then they will show you the chill side. peace, and happy toking brother:)

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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: MushroomMan]
    #368134 - 08/07/01 12:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dude if you get those attacts from weed then shrooms most likely aren't a good idea. the reason being is they make you really really tired like for the first hr. or two then you get really hyper like you took an upper an you see all types of weird 3D shit. I mean take a small dose if you want but in that case you might not trip, i recently ate 15-20 grams semi dried an lost my mind for a good 3-4 hrs before comming back to reality to still tripping hard. I thought i was going to die at one point i mean the tree in my back yard was laughing at me etc.... two days later i ate 10 grams dried an once again tripped pretty damn hard but i wasn't losing my mind this time but the visuals an the high from strong shrooms can kick your ass alone thats why i had to take a valium that i had for the second trip, which just slowed things down alittle but didnt' decrease the trip at all. So basically dude be careful shrooms are not something to fuck with just to try you have to be some what prepared for them. peace.



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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: MushroomMan]
    #368240 - 08/07/01 05:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

MushroomMan,

I don't think it's just the weed that causes your heart pain. Like you said, lack of excercise, heavy drinking, etc. all contribute. Weed increases your heart rate a bit, I guess this is why you feel that pain.

Weed can sometimes cause paranoia, but usually the paranoia isn't actually caused by the weed, it's caused because the user is paranoid that he/she will get caught with the weed, or caught stoned.

Weed doesn't make me paranoid, but smoking it in the park does...

Paranoia caused by weed usually occurs in people who are not very comfortable wiith themselves. Mushrooms do this to you as well, and IMO, they are WORSE than pot.

If you do shrooms and you don't have a good self-esteem, be prepared for paranoia and all kinds of unwanted feelings. People laughing around you, and you'll think they're laughing at you. Everything you say, right after you say it you;'ll think to yourself "I shouldn't have said that". IMO, mushrooms can make you more paranoid than weed can.

Weed is a "chill out" drug. So are mushrooms, but the two drugs are very different. DOn't expect a shroom high to be like a weed high.

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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: TrippyGuy18]
    #368241 - 08/07/01 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Alright brother, I see it this way. You enjoyed smoking weed for quite some time with no trouble. Only after a disaster in your life did your smoking problems start, correct? This leads me to believe that your problem could be entirely mentally induced. If you're feeling brave, use your shrooms to confront your problem. Just sit in a comfortable environment and think about what could be wrong, what causes your anxiety, and then come to peace with it. That's just what I would do, of course I could be wrong;). You might just want to put on a trippy Phish CD and look at a nice screensaver, either way:D. Later,

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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: Fatch]
    #369620 - 08/10/01 02:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well the effects of shrooms can differfor every individual, so really any advice won't ensure anything. But If I were you, I'd take a chance and eat a very small dose by myself, just to get a feel for the experience, to know what you're going up against.

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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: MushroomMan]
    #369635 - 08/10/01 03:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I know I wouldn't want to fuck around with my heart - i mean - you only got one :wink:.  If your heart actually causes you pain when you're on weed and you can't handle it I would probably recommend not takin shrooms.

However, if you are open-minded and can control your feelings somewhat, shrooms are a fantastic drug.  Me speakin' personally... I honestly *do not believe* that i could bad trip on shrooms.  Everytime I've taken those babies I've been filled with nothing but happines, glee, whatever you want to call it.  Shrooms also makes my thought process accelerate to full speed.  It's almost like I'm meditating because I get so enveloped in my mind and thoughts that my body almost ceases to exist. 

But, more importantly then anything - make sure you are ready.  Educate yourself on mushrooms and know what to expect.  If you start reacting poorly to them, just remember that in a few hours you will ease back into reality and all your discomfort will be over.  Have fun and be careful.  Judging by your situation (not that i like to judge :wink:) I'd say start out with a low dose around 1-2 grams dried.  From what I've read, I agree with a post a couple lines up hypothesizing that your pain was mentally induced rather than an actual physical reaction to the marijuana.  As long as your mind can handle the experience, it should be really fun.  Like the others said, don't take the shrooms if you have self-esteem issues or are depressed.  but above all... ABOVE ALL.. have a great time and enjoy life.

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Re: MY story in detail, advice needed PLEASE! [Re: MushroomMan]
    #369875 - 08/10/01 06:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Mushroomman,
You should be careful.THC can cause an increse in heart rate and this is normal and ok for most people.However, I know someone who developed runs of supra ventricular tachycardia(SVT) due to weed and had to be admitted to the cardiac intensive care.At a heart rate of 180 we would all feel the way you felt.When the heart pumps this fast sometimes it doesn't pump effectively.You heart was pumping way too fast.You would feel tired, short of bresth,faint. You may get real pale,etc. For people with pre-existing heart trouble it can be a real problem. I'm sure It could trigger a heart attack if you had a bad heart.You had your heart checked out and that is good.Maybe weed just causes you to develop a real fast heart rate. I've almost passed out once from the same type thing. My hear was just pounding and I became really faint,started blacking out. I don't know what my heart rate was,but I bet you it was too fast to be pumping blood effectively to my body.I sat down, and I was ok after a short while.I still smoke,but I'm just careful to relax for a while after I smoke. I do notice an increase in my heart rate,but nothing dangerous like 180.Well, take care. My advice would be to smoke carefully(lightly).Fast heart rate an paranoia are commonly experience by lots of people.But if you continue to have real problems with fast heart rate like 180, I would stay away.



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