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Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You?
#7758196 - 12/14/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would like to hear from everyone their experiences with their subconcios and any realizations they have had about rewiring the circuitry of the brain and changing the reality we experience.
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I think that changing your framework is an extremly challenging task, if not futile, if you do not embrace, and express the feelings that are produced by the subconcious.
I believe a critical aspect of changing our thought structures is embracing and expressing any thought that seems to distort what you have learnt to be reality. Thought frameworks produce an effect on perception(thought and feeling) that is noticeable and we usually try to repress the thought and the reality or try and correct it by saying "no thats irrational".
The reason that these follow up phrases like "thats irrational" "thats crazy" "YOur being superficials" become meaningless is because they are insignificant bundles of energy, as compared to all the emotions and experiences you have encountered that you are trying to change through these words.
Another problem that begins to happen with this type of action is that it causes a division in the mind, atleast in mine. What i mean by this is when I eventually see that these words do nothing to change, I come rational conclusion that there is a little crazy voice in my head that has nothing to do with me, creating a division, seperation between who you think you are and it. What we begin to witness after this is firmly established, is a battle for control, a fight for mind and because our subconcious is deeply embedded and is 'armed' with feelings that have been expressed for a larger part of our lives, it usually takes 'victory' and we feel despair and i even depressed when we cannot shake this feeling, such as the feeling of attachment to someone or the fear of others negative opinions.
I believe a critical aspect of changing our thought structures then, is embracing any thought and feeling that seems to distort what you have learnt to be reality, by expressing it. By expressing it i mean, literally becoming the thought and the feeling, letting it guide you.
What i have noticed is that once i express with all expression the feeling and thought( Ie/"i feel scared of what people think of me") It makes the room for a clear and healthy crticism that before was impossible.
This logically makes sense as well to. If an illusion is the absence of anything real... Is it healthy to try and destroy the illusion, when the illusion is in 'reality', absent of any thing real to destroy?(i suggest to read over i hard a hard time with it and i wrote it lol)Or is it better to live and embrace the reality that you are so used to living, and witness that in truth this is nothing in the context of what is actually real, slowly bringing more and more light into what you are and what reality can be.
There is unity between what is real and what is illusion, the unity of everything and nothing. Reflect on this, because i believe Unity is what will heal us, seperation is what ailed us. Unity is what will give you the grounds for embracing, illusion as you do reality.
It is this that causes me to expressed the unity between what the real me is, with what the illusioned me is. The question is, does it work for you?
But what the hell does unity have to do with it? [image] [/image]
If you choose to change your reality, remember that you must express the emotion that has arisen from the subconcious. express that anger, resentment, the resentment of resenting something, the sadness of being sad, disunity of being resnting that you couldnt express unity express it, embrace it.
Then if you are indeed ready and you see clearly what you are thinking, and why it is false, wrong, irrational you will witness a trasnformation into a new reality and new you.

Through it all witness yourself as a creator.

Acknowledge that creator cannot exist without what gives it the room to be a creator. destruction, destruction, renewal, creation.
Edited by JoseLibrado (12/16/07 12:52 PM)
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7758220 - 12/14/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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What makes it Possible 4 You?
time, desire, energy.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: Icelander]
#7758280 - 12/14/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krisha Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare
just put better things there you know, when i feel blue i just run that because it carries more inertia
then also when you go to bed or meditate listen to the thoughts, pause them, make them stop, and if they are negative turn them positive
then hold just one thought in your mind
say it ONCE
and then wait for it to disappear, to be forgotten, then it will come back as you say it again
then you'll be in alpha/theta quickly, and either have a psychedelic experience or fall asleep i fall asleep for some reason ...... bermmm!
also only listen to uplifting music, have uplifting conversations, say uplifting thoughts
follow the noble eightfold path
right thought, action, speech, livlihood, effort, etc its all True.
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: leery11]
#7758286 - 12/14/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EDITed post during the time you posted it.
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7758330 - 12/14/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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The main reason Timothy Leary advocated the use of psychedelics was for its usefulness in imprinting. His vision was that you could go to a psychedelic therapist with some problem you wanted to solve, and if you were determined not to be at risk for mental illness or anything like that, he would administer LSD or some other psychedelic in a controlled setting and create an imprint on your mind to change subconscious patterns. It's a powerful form of hypnosis.
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: soulcircus]
#7758746 - 12/14/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Magick is often about changing the subconscious. People tend to think of it as a superstitious attempt to change the outside world, and there is some element of that, but it also works as a form of self-hypnosis.
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: Silversoul]
#7759328 - 12/14/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Magick is wonderful and it is actually nothing that you could imagine if you havent had a paranormal experience that squeezes it out of you.
Thats how i got into magick and witness the chakras...when i had to.
How does magick help you change it?
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7759407 - 12/14/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think its a matter of learning your simplicity,a dn building on that. once you break yourself down to your basics, its easy to build on it and basically you are "rewired"?
-------------------- Beauty of style and harmony and grace and good rhythm depend on Simplicity ~Plato
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: SapphireCat]
#7759458 - 12/14/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think wiring implys movement within, current, somewhenz i think movement is an illusion
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: sghrdnjumpsuitz]
#7761097 - 12/15/07 07:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Movement is an illusion. Wiring wasnt meant to imply it. Wiring is what happened to you since the time you were young. Watching how to interact, when to interact, ways to love, ways to fear. And the ways of repression.
Movement is an illusion simply because: Here is not there, there is not here. You go from here to there and when you get to there, there now becomes here. Really everywhere is hear, no where is there.
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7761512 - 12/15/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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right did you ever notice how long a distance from your house to the other end of the road is if you walk
how do you know you will EVER get there?
one time i smoked lots of bong loads and froze time and couldn't move anywhere
my legs were going but i was stuck in place
but as soon as i used my mind and said "go to that trashcan" plop i would appear there
it was beyond trippy and overwhelming
how do you really KNOW you can get where you are going?
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: leery11]
#7761930 - 12/15/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah - you cant really know and you can really know. thats why its tricky to say one or the other.
if you think the universe is infinite and anything within it is so, then it is impossible to actually make any progression towards something, (movement) because if progression is part of the universe then, there is infinite progression.
Progression is always assuming something is the end point. but in infnity there is no end point, tho reality cannot exists without illusion and so infinite illusion exists, equally. And so the answere to movement is that there is and there is not, because the universe encompasses all aspects of what it is and if we are to know what the reality of the universe is, we imply that an illusion exist, yin and yang.
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7763272 - 12/15/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I kept asking why and the only answer I got was 'you're wrong'. Eventually, everything lost its meaning and I was left to recreate it (the meaning), albeit with the help of 'culture'.
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Re: Changing Subconcious thought. What makes it Possible 4 You? [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7765041 - 12/16/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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except for awkward language and spelling, I think you have it. the essence is no-separation, being the changing self while effecting the change. it is one thing/process.
the idea of destroying illusion however is not helping, what helps instead is detatchment, and gentle interest in things that you value.
the idea of place is interesting, it is like configuration, moving from one place to another is like being reconfigured.
this is essentially what happens as you shift in your core, or reconfigure self, you move (in your 4-d mental universe).
it is a complex movement that is not like 3-d movement, the movement is like a rearrangement of strongest associations to your major triggers.
you could call it re-wiring, but association is gentler yet stronger than wire, what happens together is associated what happens in the same place is associated what is shaped or sounding the same is associated ...etc.
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