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To Change the World
    #792669 - 08/02/02 06:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yesterday I was clever. That is why I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise. That is why I am changing myself. ~ Sri Chinmoy

To attempt to change all the imbalances of the world is a daunting, if not
impossible task. However, if each one of us makes a conscientious effort
to strive for daily balance, greet each day as if it were our last, and seek
the good in our fellow human being (as well as ourselves), the forces of
darkness would find our collective world reality an inhospitable home at best.



Peace to Everyone

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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #792696 - 08/02/02 02:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I..love you, man.

Really though, I completely agree with you. Putting it into practice is what i've been trying to do.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #792700 - 08/02/02 02:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Beautiful! There is nothing to disagree with in it, is there?

Or in the words of Todd Rundgren, "How can I change the world when I can't change myself?"

If ever a thread deserved to be a sticky in this forum this one has my vote!


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Re: To Change the World [Re: ]
    #792708 - 08/02/02 02:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the compliments. I enjoy seeking the lighter side of life. It is far
too short as evidenced by all the atrocities within the world today. Wars
begin with simple disagreements, but at sometime during the disagreement
somebody must lay down their "arms".

Rather than focusing on why each of us differ, why not the focus be on
how we are similar as a human race?

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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #792718 - 08/02/02 02:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Speak gently. As profound as it is simple. Thanks!


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #792721 - 08/02/02 03:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Speak Gently

Speak gently to the terrorists who bombed the WTC. They are merely people who believe differently than you do.

Speak gently to the politicians who steal your freedoms as they will understand your concern and hand them back.

Speak gently to the man who broke into your house at 3 AM. Tell him in a kindly manner that he does not belong there so that he may leave.

Speak gently to the World Com executives who have stolen the public blind so that they will hear and make reparations.



I know that you mean well and I applaud your idealism. However, sometimes a shout works better than a whisper and a slap better than a touch.



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Re: To Change the World [Re: Swami]
    #792732 - 08/02/02 03:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

And yet your post does not negate the wisdom of the prose. I think PN's main point was in the preceding paragraph. Which is true beyond measure.

For everything there is a season. But a soft answer turns away wrath. I think the path of wisdom should led us to speak softly at first. If that does not work then other measures may have to follow. If the first reply to leave your lips is a shout you probably won't be heard.

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Re: To Change the World [Re: Swami]
    #793068 - 08/02/02 06:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think the point was that if each person "spoke gently" individually, there would be no terrorists, robbers, deceiving worldcom executives, etc.

Yes, it's something hard to imagine, but if everyone would imagine it, then what would keep it from being true?


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #793073 - 08/02/02 06:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm gonna stick this thread for a while


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Re: To Change the World [Re: ]
    #793099 - 08/02/02 06:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Bless you Shroomism. May your heart have all the peace and happiness it can hold.

With much feeling,


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #793262 - 08/02/02 08:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the wisdom. I know it works within my own life's episodes. I tend to forget how much. It stands to reason how much influence it can have on others as well.
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Re: To Change the World [Re: Adamist]
    #793459 - 08/02/02 10:41 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think the point was that if each person "spoke gently" individually, there would be no terrorists, robbers, deceiving worldcom executives, etc.


A big IF. I once had dreams of utopia, but I realized how many selfish and/or lazy people there are in the world. Maybe it should be "Speak gently when those you are speaking to deserve it..." But then this presents a problem- how do we know who deserves it? The implementation of ideals to a world with much less than ideal standards is an arduous (if even possible) task.

I still think it's a good ideal though.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #793538 - 08/03/02 01:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"Speak gently when those you are speaking to deserve it..." But then this presents a problem- how do we know who deserves it?

Everyone is worthy of (or deserve) being spoken gently too. Even selfish and/or lazy people are "people" in fact. Humanity is inside even the sickest of all killers. Humanity is not something shed lightly.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #793539 - 08/03/02 01:29 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered; Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives; Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some false friends and some true enemies; Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and frank, people may cheat you; Be honest and frank anyway.
What you spend years building, someone could destroy overnight; Build anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, they may be jealous; Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow; Do good anyway.
Give the world your best and it may never be enough; Give the world your best anyway.
You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway."
-Mother Teresa

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Re: To Change the World [Re: Adamist]
    #793549 - 08/03/02 01:45 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Inspiring.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #793575 - 08/03/02 02:30 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

Maybe it should be "Speak gently when those you are
speaking to deserve it..." But then this presents a problem- how do we know who
deserves it? The implementation of ideals to a world with much less than ideal
standards is an arduous (if even possible) task.




Far too many of us have a terrible inner dialogue, which is carried over into the way we
deal with our fellow human beings. Mr Mushrooms made a good point in a different post, which
is applicable here:

If someone posts something that stirs something inside of me like anger, or whatever, I quickly
look to see why that is, knowing that it is myself that needs to change.


The point being that the task of speaking gently begins within. I we can all just take a moment to
actually listen to the internal chatter, we may find that a good portion of said chatter is actually
non-productive filler for silence and in some cases, self-destructive.

Once these traits are recognized within, then we can begin to have some compassion for others who
are experiencing the same, yet are so mired in the present and future, they find it very difficult to
experience the NOW.

Being kind and gentle far surpasses verbal intercourse. For that occasional rude or ungrateful person
we may meet during our daily journey, being kind and gentle can come in the form of remaining silent
and not adding to the energy put forth by said individual.

One great use of words is to hide our thoughts. ~ Voltaire

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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #793592 - 08/03/02 02:58 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have always tried to carry the attitude of the world needs change, and it starts with me if nowhere else...I think that is what you are saying...

Anger is an infectious emotion, more than any other I think. Anger is the nature of evil, controling and dominating...that is why I feel it must be done away with.

Much love! Good post!


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Re: To Change the World [Re: thePatient]
    #793650 - 08/03/02 05:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I share your sentiment, that was one of the grate teaching given to my by the shrooms, we are all brothers/sisters and all connected, to hurt another one is to hurt ourselves even the most evil are part of us.
For those who think the way of the sword is the only way let us not forget, that softness is not weakness as proven by Gandhi.
I may not be able to feel and act like this, due that I live in a sleep state most of the time but when I leave the dream world behind, every atom in my self screams that love is the only way.
The doom of man is that we forget.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #793778 - 08/03/02 08:01 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Speaking gently is a cool thing to do most of the time, but when no one listens, you could as well shut the fuck up. So while I think that speaking gently is not always the best choice, shouting certainly isn't. Someone who shouts is full of hate (watch him closely).

Hate is a kind of love. When you hate someone, you grant him an important place in your life, and most assholes simply don't deserve this place. It is ok to dislike people, but hate isn't. When you dislike someone, you should ignore him. This usually works well enough for me. But then there are those whom I cannot ignore, mostly the people Swami mentioned in his post. Essentially, the people who are the reason why this planet is such a sick place to be. There seem to be some humans who enjoy ruining the show for everyone else. But I do not shout to them, nor do I speak gently. Instead, I'm spending my life looking for a clean and effective way to kill these people.

But then maybe I'm just the Aggressive_Nomad (Note to myself: change your nickname.)


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Nomad]
    #793897 - 08/03/02 09:07 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Shouting = hateful person ????

I don't know... a major generalization. Nope, it must be changed.
I have no hate in my heart. Yet I shout all the time... usually NOT when I'm arguing. Sometimes the shouting is re-routed through a bullhorn with the volume set to '10'. Yeah, that type of shouting gets you trespassed from the local mall, even if you didn't say anything offensive (I think it was determined that I was "confusing shoppers" ).


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Nomad]
    #793958 - 08/03/02 09:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Instead, I'm spending my life looking for a clean and effective way to kill these people.

Why not let nature / karma take it's course? Well I guess you might be a tool of karma, but I just think it's a waste of time. Killing idiots breeds more idiots. Loving idiots... well, that just may work once in awhile. We are all human (well at least partly), we all have the ability to feel love.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Adamist]
    #793967 - 08/03/02 09:54 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Because I am so brilliant, I try to breed with as many idiots as possible to raise the collective IQ.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Swami]
    #793984 - 08/03/02 10:06 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Gee Dad, is that why I'm only half smart?


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #793994 - 08/03/02 10:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, that type of shouting gets you trespassed from the local mall, even if you didn't say anything offensive (I think it was determined that I was "confusing shoppers"

I get a picture of you shouting Nietzche quotes at the mall. If there is a grain of truth to it I will have to pray the love of Jesus into your heart.

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Re: To Change the World [Re: ]
    #794123 - 08/03/02 11:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Start praying.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #794134 - 08/03/02 11:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Are you going to elaborate on what you were shouting throught the bull horn?


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #794142 - 08/03/02 11:24 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

OMG!!!! Sclorch! I can't believe it. Anyway, it is clearly evident that the love of Jesus is in your heart already. Don't believe me? Ask the bum.

You, sir, are a wild man! Hats off to Sclorch!

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Re: To Change the World [Re: Swami]
    #794150 - 08/03/02 11:31 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We were shouting typical anti-consumerism messages and whatnot. Some "you're wasting your money on this imported garbage" here, some "nothing to see here... nothing to buy here..." there. You know, the usual public dissent.

It wasn't really the bullhorn that got me this handy pink slip... it was my sharp tongue to the officer (go figure, huh?). He told me the mall isn't an amusement park. I said, "what, are you kidding? It's almost Disney in there... all it needs is a couple of rollercoasters and you could start charging admission." It's really a long story... it doesn't tell right in this media either. You have to have the proper tone and whatnot... it just doesn't work.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #794154 - 08/03/02 11:37 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well at least it wasn't Nietzche quotes. You did well. Very few people stand up for what they believe in. Which always makes me wonder, "Do they believe?"

Good job!


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Swami]
    #794851 - 08/03/02 09:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"Because I am so brilliant, I try to breed with as many idiots as possible to raise the collective IQ. "

Yet more irrelevant useless posts. Please PM garbage like this.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Xlea321]
    #795269 - 08/04/02 08:51 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like someone has a severely bruised ego. I hope this doesn't bruise it more.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #796233 - 08/04/02 06:23 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Anger is an infectious emotion, more than any other I think.

I beg to differ, laughter is the most infectious emotion. Even when someone smiles at you, your mood gets uplifted, and have you ever laughed with someone but didn't even know what you were laughing about?

Anyway, about the original post, I also have to say that change comes first within, then with your relationships to other people. There is no other way, you can't change your relationship to the world if you don't completely and genuinely change yourself, otherwise you are just faking "speaking gently".


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Re: To Change the World [Re: chodamunky]
    #796628 - 08/04/02 09:59 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i hope nobody minds if i try to bring this topic back to it's name, which is, "to change the world."
i live by this analogy.

i was standing on a beach watching the sunset, when i saw a man walking towards me. as he drew closer i noticed that every couple of feet he would bend over and pick up something and throw it into the ocean, then continue walking for a few feet, then bend over and do it again.
finally i realized he was picking up starfish and throwing them back into the ocean.
i walked to him and asked, "sir, why are you throwing starfish back into the ocean?" and he replied, "to save them from death."
puzzled, i replied, "but sir, there are thousands of miles of beach around the world with thousands of starfish dying. it's natural selection, how can you possibly make a difference?" the man looked at me for a moment, then he stooped over, picked up a starfish, and with a powerful swing, threw it far far out into the water.
"i made a difference to that one didn't i?"

1+1 is only 2. but 2 is still a higher number.
if every 1 helps another 1, what number would that add up to?
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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #797003 - 08/05/02 06:15 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Schlorch. You are my new IDOL.

Topic Changing the World.

I have 2 completely different halves about these types of topics. The one 1/2 says yes we need to love each other and not let our hate and selfishness get in the way of happiness.
Then the other half says. The only way to change is to kill those in power and take the earth back for the children. Kill the corporations and let us live in a simpler time. That half gets me into trouble. LOL

So I truly grok what you say Peaceful Nomad but I am not fully able to live by it. Maybe someday.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: chodamunky]
    #797010 - 08/05/02 06:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i definitely think anger is more infectous than laughter because living things have a natural sense of 'danger' and when someone is angry, this danger signal is triggered in those around the angry person. this can then lead to the other people being more on edge b/c of the one person being all pissed off. people on edge will be more suseptable to getting scared->angry out of fear of not knowing whats going to happen.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Sclorch]
    #797049 - 08/05/02 06:51 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like someone has a severely bruised ego. I hope this doesn't bruise it more.

Nope, I just have little patience for offensive idiots


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Adamist]
    #798123 - 08/05/02 04:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway."

That's how I've come to perceive reality. As an manifestation of internal.

"...hang on or be, humbled again..."

Exactly... hang on to the teaching or run the lesson guantlet again. This time I am striving to remember. I was shown that everything is karma.... everything... that pressure your feeling on your butt that makes you move around in your chair... karma... >=) Sit in harmony within creation and the flow will release the karma.. as long as one is willing to release the traits in full.
Early in this dream I had a horrible temper, but through remembrance it has almost totally abaded. I await the instance that I achieve the understanding to release negativity in full so that I may fill that void with a new level of energy to become empowered... to know how to respond creatively in every instance.

As far as "speaking softly" goes... to me it stands for how I want god to speak to me. Yes, at times I have needed a swift boot to the head, but now I am over coming that level of teaching to understanding the lesson(Love).

I no longer intentionally kill even ants... but if I do happen to squish something without harm in mind... then so be it... We're all just in the chemical reation.
Reality moves to will... just which way will you?
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Re: To Change the World [Re: DasKomet]
    #799552 - 08/06/02 09:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

1+1 is only 2. but 2 is still a higher number.
if every 1 helps another 1, what number would that add up to?




Whiterastahippie, I agree 100%. It's tough not getting caught up in the immensity
of life's drama. It can be paralyzing to think of all the changes that need to be
made in this world. If we all could just perform one kind act each day for ourselves
first, and then another soul, this world would be a much better place to experience
as a whole.

I can find much beauty surrounding me on a daily basis, and find the light within
myself. When I interact with the rest of society and see others having a
difficult time in seeing the light within and all around, I find this to be sad.

I have to struggle with my own internal demons on a daily/momentary basis, but
living a kind, gentle lifestyle is much like meditating ~ over time it becomes easier to
find those quiet spaces within the everpresent chaotic internal chatter.

In reply to:

"You see, in the final analysis, it is between you and God; It was never between you and them anyway." That's how I've come to perceive reality. As an manifestation of internal. "...hang on or be, humbled again..."




If we could all master the balancing of our internal selves, there would be a
universal balance within the world conciousness.

Peace to Everyone,

Peaceful Nomad


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #799609 - 08/06/02 10:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

if you treat yourself like you would treat your best friend, then you can love your best friend as you love yourself...and didn't God tell us to love others as we love ourselves?


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Re: To Change the World [Re: whiterastahippie]
    #802524 - 08/07/02 02:34 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The problem is that some of us don't love ourselves. Some of us were brought into this world by people whose only skill was the ability to coupulate. Some of us don't know why we were brought into a life that is framed by pain and torture. The problem is that some of us are looking for "revenge, revenge for being born."
BTW - I didn't say I was one of those people.......but I understand how they feel, what makes them tick....... I don't judge them, I just don't believe they should be able to fuck up my world and the world of my kids, the world of people like here at the Shroomery. Just don't stop me from killing starfish, they are a plague that kill other more beneficial animals. That guy on the beach should have been given some information on starfish and the kind of predator they really are.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: GRTUD]
    #802957 - 08/07/02 05:50 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hehe...
Love thy enemy starfish.


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #808386 - 08/10/02 07:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

if the entire world could just tune into the love everything would be fine.

I love you all


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Re: To Change the World [Re: The_Clash_UK]
    #818981 - 08/16/02 12:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I think this has been sticky long enough


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    #818983 - 08/16/02 12:28 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yeah


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    #819784 - 08/16/02 08:56 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

A timely bump when needed might produce a calming effect.

Thank you for allowing this to be a sticky as long as you.

Cheers,


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Re: To Change the World [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
    #842534 - 08/25/02 06:08 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

While I'm away, remember....

Miss all of you.

Cheers,


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