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Cambodian aborts on first flush?
    #7629049 - 11/13/07 06:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have a casing of cambodia.... substrate is brf spawned to hpoo/ straw. the bulk sub colonized just fine, i threw a thin casing layer on, patched a few days later and threw it in my FC right after patching. after 5 days i had NO signs of myc poking through at all..... i had to leave for the weekend so i decided to add a little more casing and put the lid back on my container. when i returned i had a fair amount of decent sized pins poking up, some bigger than others, but the casing had no myc on the surface at all.....
now i know cambodia produces many small to medium fruits but i have never read anything about how many aborts is normal with this strain. many of my pins are in clusters of like 20 other pins and i would say that just less than half of the pins on the whole casing were aborts.

If it matters this is my first time spawning to hpoo, previously it was just crumbled, cased brf cakes..... i really dont think its the hpoo/straw thats the problem, but correct me if im wrong.

another thing i noticed is that the bottom of the container and down the sides have a pretty good amount of myc piss..... could that have caused any of this? Its a clear container but i duct taped a black trash bag around the sides to prevent side pinning. If the myc piss is the problem i was thinking of poking hole or two in the bottom with an old syringe or something

Lastly, i know its a first flush and theres always the second, but im curious whats causing this so i can maybe prevent it from happening again

Any help would be great!!!


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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: ski]
    #7629090 - 11/13/07 06:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Your question is pretty complex in nature. There are a lot of things which can cause fruitbodies to abort, many of these reasons iam not aware of myselfe but iam sure they exist. One definate reason is direct water partricles bombarding pins, like condensation dripping from your tub, or if you have misted them directly. Ive grown cambodians a few months back and i hardly got any aborts whatso ever, i used the same procedure as you. Another think which might have an effect is the watercontent of your substrate, perhaps if it was a bit on the dry side fewer msuhrooms could reach maturity hence the rest would abort.


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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: kocos]
    #7629131 - 11/13/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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kocos said:
Your question is pretty complex in nature. There are a lot of things which can cause fruitbodies to abort, many of these reasons iam not aware of myselfe but iam sure they exist. One definate reason is direct water partricles bombarding pins, like condensation dripping from your tub, or if you have misted them directly. Ive grown cambodians a few months back and i hardly got any aborts whatso ever, i used the same procedure as you. Another think which might have an effect is the watercontent of your substrate, perhaps if it was a bit on the dry side fewer msuhrooms could reach maturity hence the rest would abort.




I have this very thing going on with a tub of bluemeanies on coir.
I didn't add enough water to begin with, so they started aborting, starting misting, and what did they do? abort even more..

win/lose situation, on one hand, i wanted a big harvest, on the other, i've never had 2oz of aborts dry before, and they sure are fun.


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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: jeetered]
    #7629162 - 11/13/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah aborts are really strong a little can go a long way if u know what i mean. Have you tried injecting cakes and subs with sterile water? Its my favorite method for maintaining water in substrates without having to dunk or mist.


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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: kocos]
    #7629169 - 11/13/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

how to dry and eat aborts to trip? ive never heard of that?


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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: xTorchesTogethr]
    #7629175 - 11/13/07 07:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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xTorchesTogethr said:
how to dry and eat aborts to trip? ive never heard of that?



Same way as with regular fruits, they dry faster since they are small. The dosage is different though, these can be 2-3x as strong as mature fruits.


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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: kocos]
    #7629194 - 11/13/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Before declaring a pin an abort, make sure the head is black. If not, it's just dormant. Often, pins for the first two or three flushes are set at time of first flush, where they remain dormant until their time comes.

If you have a very good pinning strain, and a small or weak substrate, aborts are the mycelium's natural survival instinct. Since the substrate can't support a massive flush, the excess pins naturally abort to protect the rest.

Misting is fine, but be sure to increase air exchange afterward until all the misted water either evaporates or is absorbed into the fruits by osmosis. If you leave pins wet in a still-air environment, many will abort.
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Re: cambodian aborts on first flush? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7629612 - 11/13/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I know they didnt abort due to misting, i wasnt here to do so, and i have never had condensation on the lid of my fc, just the sides...

I think it may have been on the dry side, my other casings were worse however but had no aborts. I was skeptical to mist so i used a syringe and injected a fair amount of water into the substrates.

Ive had a lot of aborts before, treasure coast aborts a lot on the first flush, but these cams are aborting more than the TC. I have picked all the aborts so they dont contam the casing, the others seem to be taking off since doing that

still cant really put my finger on why so many aborts though, compared the to other casings the Cam was very moist..


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