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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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Good thing jazz and blues were more influential and better than it all.
Otherwise I'd have to listen to even more of that lame ass pop-ish shit that the Beatles started.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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One thing I'll say about the Beatles: They seem to prove that acid makes you a better musician.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
One thing I'll say about the Beatles: They seem to prove that acid makes you a better musician.


I think most rock bands proved that HEROIN makes you ever better :P heh

That probably reinforced jewunit's theory too :P

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: BrAiN]
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I want to see a rockband on ecstasy or pharmeceuticals and see how that works out


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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The Beatles would have been so fucking insignificant if it weren't for their early shit. Imagine if they were a Pepper's group throughout their whole career. They never would have had even close to the amount of popularity they did.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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Hyper_Panda_GO said:
I want to see a rockband on ecstasy or pharmeceuticals and see how that works out


Dear god.... I couldn't even DJ back when I was on acid in the day.... I don't know how the fuck the Chili Peppers did it on their first outing playing real instruments.... maybe their first concert sucked

Then again.. there was Santana who played fucking high as shit on DMT at Woodstock... some ppl just have it.. some dont. I sure as hell don't.

I can see how ppl could play on coke, heroin, etc.. cuz it just gives you a buzz (more or less)

But to be able to play an instrument on some serious psychedelics... If anyone can do it.. it amazes me... On E I'd imagine you'd just pluck your guitar strings and it would sound like God to you, but it would just sound like some drooling etard idiot to someone in the audience.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: lukeboots]
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The Rolling Stones are one of the oldest bands around nowadays but I don't think they compete with the Beatles musicial excellency. The Beatles used to practice for 8 hours straight and still play shows.
What I find interesting is that the Beatles stopped touring after a while giving them more time to work on albums in the studio.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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dismantled02 said:
The Rolling Stones are one of the oldest bands around nowadays but I don't think they compete with the Beatles musicial excellency. The Beatles used to practice for 8 hours straight and still play shows.
What I find interesting is that the Beatles stopped touring after a while giving them more time to work on albums in the studio.


What the fuck do either of those have to do with musical excellency?


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: jewunit]
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It means in the short time that the Beatles were together, they showed more musicial knowledge than the Rolling Stones did in their 40 years of existence.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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Because they could hold long practice sessions then play a show, or because they didn't tour often and instead spent all their time in the studio?

What you said really has nothing to do with musical excellency. If the point you were trying to get across was that the Beatles output was greater in a shorter period of time, that's all you had to say.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
One thing I'll say about the Beatles: They seem to prove that acid makes you a better musician.


John Lennon actually said after his habitual and thorough experiments with acid, in the end you don't need it to make good music.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said:
Because they could hold long practice sessions then play a show, or because they didn't tour often and instead spent all their time in the studio?

What you said really has nothing to do with musical excellency. If the point you were trying to get across was that the Beatles output was greater in a shorter period of time, that's all you had to say.


awww tisk tisk jew unit. Here ya go talking about something that's so subjective when you went off about how you hate talking about this kinda topic with hip hop :P

I curse your first born to a life of performcing in boy bands!

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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Fuck it all. I say the Ramones were more influential than anyone mentioned here.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: BrAiN]
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I'm not arguing whether they were better or not.
I was merely stating that what he said has nothing to do with musical excellence.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: jewunit]
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True.

Musical excellence can be pretty subjective though; a combination of technical skill... and creativity....

If we're *just* talkin' rock bands, though... I'd say Zepplin and Radiohead had WAY more "musical excellence" than the Beatles, but that's just me. It's really hard to judge stuff from 50 years ago by today's standards

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: BrAiN]
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I just love the contrast.

Before acid:


After:


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Silversoul]
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Hah, when you actually put that side by side it's hilarious


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Silversoul]
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Personally I like the picture of the first one itself better.
I also find it funny how people in the psychedelic community grab on to the Beatles like they're gods. Why not give more attention to the people who were responsible for getting the Beatles into that type of shit?


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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Everything the Rolling Stones did in the sixties was pretty much just a copy of what the Beatles were doing at the time. Plus they all pretty much sucked at their instruments until the late sixties (Jagger/Richards still cannot sing.) If you watch the Sullivan Beatles' performances, they are pretty much spot on.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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Apollyphelion said:
Actually I feel the Beatles did something in music that won't be done for a while: Change the way music was written. Before the Beatles there were CONCEPTS in music that were never realized before, much like Mozart.

Here is an example from this profound website about the Beatles'music: (About Sgt Pepper) Harmonically, the song is heavily based upon one of the archetypal Beatles' chord progression; the I -» V-of-V -» IV -» I one first heard back in "Eight Days A Week". The hallmark of this progression is the combined chromatic cross-relation and psychological feeling of deferred gratification created by following V-of-V (with its C#) by IV (with its C-natural). I strongly suspect that this chord progression is the original property of Lennon and McCartney though in terms of pure scholarship I unfortunately cannot vouch for it 100%. I'll tell you this, though: if anyone out there can point me to an example of this progression appearing in a pop song prior to the Beatles, you can call or e-mail me just about any time of the day or night.:

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/splhcb.shtml


I think your post went over pretty much everyones head :thumbup:


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