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The Beatles: The true rock inspiration?
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A lot of people would agree that the Beatles were the best music group of the century. I was wondering what rock fans thought of this.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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No, but they certainly were one of the most influencial. I feel that the greatest aspect of the beatles was that they started out as a goody band and gained an absolutely huge following. Then, as they got into drugs and projected the counter-culture in a positive light, the mass was forced to notice and begin to think "hmmm, maybe the contemporary concept of freedom and righteousness is distorted". That is why they were so feared by the government. Because they had the power to get people to think and break from the mold.
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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: lavod]
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This is pretty much off topic but I had someone try and tell me that my chemical romance was better than the beatles the other day and really had to try and contain myself there was almost a blood bath.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: disturbed]
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I personally find The Velvet Underground more inspiring but I doubt anyone will agree with me


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Edited by Yrtlzmo (02/03/13 05:03 PM)

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Yrtlzmo]
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Most musically talented of the century? No
My favorite band of the century? No
Most influential band of the century? Yes

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: lavod]
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A careful review of their early history will show that they were a corporate invention, destined for fame regardless, and no different from the Backstreet Boys or (I hate to say it, but it's true) Led Zeppelin.

Most of the Beatles and Zepplin's best works were thanks largely to world-class producers, enigineers and songwriters not in the bands, and their success was guaranteed by heavy corporate funding and promotion.

I know that doesn't mean they weren't any good, but they had such a huge head start, you have to give more credit to bands that climbed their way to the top from the bottom.

lavod said:
That is why they were so feared by the government. Because they had the power to get people to think and break from the mold. 93 93/93


I'd say that applies more to post-Beatles John Lennon.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Middleman]
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A careful review of their early history will show that they were a corporate invention
So you are saying that they didnt meet as youths in school, but were in fact set up by a producer?

Most of the Beatles and Zepplin's best works were thanks largely to producers and songwriters not in the bands,
Absolutely not true (in the beatles case)

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: DieCommie]
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Their FIRST producer was Sir George Martin! They literally started at the top.

"They took the song into the studio and played it to producer George Martin at the end of their Love Me Do session. Martin thought the song needed work and suggested they speed it up and add some harmonised voices..."

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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Hyper_Panda_GO said:
I personally find The Velvet Underground more inspiring but I doubt anyone will agree with me


I don't know about inspiring, but I like VU better than the beatles.

Come to think of it... They both, I think, have some poppy song with "Sun" in the title that sound similar

Who loves the sun - VU
Here comes thesun - Beatles

Actually.. they sound almost copyright-infringingly similar.. and I'm pretty sure the velvet underground version came first.

Those douchebag Beatles!


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Middleman]
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They didnt start with that producer. They meet as teens and played in clubs and the like. They didnt start at the top, they just got to the top real fast once they were 'discovered'.

And they certainly were not a corporate invention, they formed as a band before signing record deals. They were a teen-age boy band, and most modern boy bands are corporate inventions, but that doesnt mean they were.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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dismantled02 said:
A lot of people would agree that the Beatles were the best music group of the century. I was wondering what rock fans thought of this.


I think anyone interested in labeling a singular group from the last century as 'the best' is out of their minds. I don't care what the Rolling Stone or VH1 says, it can't be done and it oughtn't be seriously attempted.

Such a variety of incredible music has come from the last century. As far as I'm concerned the last century has served as a rebirth for music and will undoubtedly be marked in the history books as such, so long as there are history books.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: BrAiN]
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I KNOW!


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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Well, The Beatles definitely have a huge variety of styles of music. And they were pretty innovative with their acid records. They pretty much made the sound for psychedelia.

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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Actually I feel the Beatles did something in music that won't be done for a while: Change the way music was written. Before the Beatles there were CONCEPTS in music that were never realized before, much like Mozart.

Here is an example from this profound website about the Beatles'music: (About Sgt Pepper) Harmonically, the song is heavily based upon one of the archetypal Beatles' chord progression; the I -» V-of-V -» IV -» I one first heard back in "Eight Days A Week". The hallmark of this progression is the combined chromatic cross-relation and psychological feeling of deferred gratification created by following V-of-V (with its C#) by IV (with its C-natural). I strongly suspect that this chord progression is the original property of Lennon and McCartney though in terms of pure scholarship I unfortunately cannot vouch for it 100%. I'll tell you this, though: if anyone out there can point me to an example of this progression appearing in a pop song prior to the Beatles, you can call or e-mail me just about any time of the day or night.:

http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/splhcb.shtml


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: dismantled02]
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won't argue that the VU were more influential, The Beatles have that tied up nicely, but I do find them more inspiring musically


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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I'd put the DOORS right up there with the Beatles as far as being the most influential on modern stuff

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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: BrAiN]
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Honestly, I think a lot more stuff these days can be traced back to the Rolling Stones than to the Beatles.


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: BrAiN]
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The Beatles influence extended as far into politics

Er, I'll articulate my thoughts later, that's not really convincing

Why would put The Doors on par with the Beatles?


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Re: The Beatles: The true rock inspiration? [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
Honestly, I think a lot more stuff these days can be traced back to the Rolling Stones than to the Beatles.


I once heard an argument that every band since the 70's has been able to be lumped as either a "Rolling Stones" band or a "Beatles" band, meaning, respectively, that they paid more attention to either live performance (RS) or recording (beatles).

Just sayin', I don't really follow that theory.

But as a musician, I do find it somewhat challenging to believe that the beatles "invented" the I-VofV-V progression. :shrug:


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