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Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles...
    #2013882 - 10/16/03 07:31 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

...post here and I will dismiss your argument with authority and ridicule.

Seriously though, there's been some dissing of the Beatles on threads here and I want to put a stop to it. Whoever said "the beatles = corporate media puppets, not a band of Artists" is merely spouting shite. While in their early days they were given an image by Brian Epstein, look at what they achieved, both then and more significantly from 1965-69; what does it matter anyway if you're producing great music and art?

Put simply, they were by far and away the best pop/rock band ever. No-one's come close.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2013983 - 10/16/03 09:49 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Almost agreed.

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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2014002 - 10/16/03 10:10 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, the beatles are good. but there's one song I really can't stand: Obla di obla da (or whatever the title is :tongue:)
for the rest the most of the songs are really good.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2014369 - 10/16/03 01:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

They were a great band, not the greatest band of all time or anything, but they put out tons of great stuff.

I hate saying any band is the best, because I know that for every great band I get to hear, there are 50 better ones I'll never be exposed to.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: Phluck]
    #2014421 - 10/16/03 02:00 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Phluck said:
They were a great band, not the greatest band of all time or anything, but they put out tons of great stuff.

I hate saying any band is the best, because I know that for every great band I get to hear, there are 50 better ones I'll never be exposed to.




Like Therion or Oratory? heh
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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2014561 - 10/16/03 02:43 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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...post here and I will dismiss your argument with authority and ridicule.




how open minded of you.


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Whoever said "the beatles = corporate media puppets, not a band of Artists" is merely spouting shite




I believe that was me. Sorry about that. I'm still a little pissed about the $30 I shelled out for "Anthology", which was a bunch of crap that should have stayed on the cutting room floor. Harrison had to pay off some debts, and they released and overpriced albumn of crap and marketed it as gold to their most loyal fans.

"Hey, ringo, I just found that old recording of "Nowhere Man" where John broke a string on his guitar halfway through."

"Put it on the new albumn. Those stupid wankers will still buy it."

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look at what they achieved, both then and more significantly from 1965-69




making statements of philosophy and then not living up to them is not an acheivement. I dont give a rats ass about who the beatles WERE. The only thing that matters to me is who they ARE.

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Put simply, they were by far and away the best pop/rock band ever. No-one's come close.




again, I must compliment you on your open-mindedness. I see the Beatle's philosophy has influenced you greatly.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2015044 - 10/16/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

half of them are dead. thats the only bad thing i can say...


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2015164 - 10/16/03 05:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

"I dont give a rats ass about who the beatles WERE. The only thing that matters to me is who they ARE."

So all that great music they made is meaningless because they aren't making it now?


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2015204 - 10/16/03 05:34 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

thanx Doktor J, but it was eye who was dissing the beatles.

i wanted to lock the "most overrated bands ever thread"
because this forum needs constructive criticism.
but instead i decided to join in the spirit of the thread.

when i said
Quote:

the beatles = corporate media puppets, not a band of artists.




i was not "spouting shite" i was stating my opinion, (half-jokingly)
which is based on what i have heard about the beatles, and George Martin...

but i don't like to generalize, and i apologize to any nerve that might have been hit.

they were geniuses at first until the Industry either killed or assimilated them.

like most of the Greats...


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2015230 - 10/16/03 05:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
Harrison had to pay off some debts, and they released and overpriced albumn of crap and marketed it as gold to their most loyal fans. 
 




Are you sure it was him? I thought Harrison was the one who got sick of being a Beatle and like left to live away from society..

I don't know anything about the releases and who spearheaded them, however, so who knows. :grin:
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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2017938 - 10/17/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
I believe that was me. Sorry about that. I'm still a little pissed about the $30 I shelled out for "Anthology", which was a bunch of crap that should have stayed on the cutting room floor. Harrison had to pay off some debts, and they released and overpriced albumn of crap and marketed it as gold to their most loyal fans.
"Hey, ringo, I just found that old recording of "Nowhere Man" where John broke a string on his guitar halfway through."
"Put it on the new albumn. Those stupid wankers will still buy it."





No-one made you buy that album. It's fairly obvious by looking at the tracklisting that these are out-takes and demos, nothing new, but for a fan it is interesting to hear how songs developed over time.

I do agree that a few of the recordings on the anthologies are a waste of space. But a lot of it I find interesting. It's not the sort of album you'd listen to a lot, but what exactly were you expecting when you bought it?

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making statements of philosophy and then not living up to them is not an acheivement. I dont give a rats ass about who the beatles WERE. The only thing that matters to me is who they ARE.




??? i don't understand you. Two of them are dead, which is hardly their fault. And so Shakespeare's work means nothing to you cause he's dead? Also I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence would take pop culture "philosophy" with a pinch of salt; I doubt they themselves would have been pretentious enough to call it philosophy. Bear in mind a lot of the lyrics were (self-confessed) meaningless drug-induced ramblings, but there's still some poignant writing there: In My Life, Strawberry Fields, Day in the Life. Even I Am the Walrus.

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again, I must compliment you on your open-mindedness. I see the Beatle's philosophy has influenced you greatly.




????????? What's all this talk bout philosophy? And YOU name a band that's better than the Beatles and explain why.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: Middleman]
    #2017955 - 10/17/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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soundmind said:
when i said
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the beatles = corporate media puppets, not a band of artists.



i was not "spouting shite" i was stating my opinion, (half-jokingly)
which is based on what i have heard about the beatles, and George Martin...
but i don't like to generalize, and i apologize to any nerve that might have been hit.
they were geniuses at first until the Industry either killed or assimilated them.
like most of the Greats...





I'm not sure I understand you either. You're saying they were geniuses before they entered the industry... well how come they made undeniably their greatest music, and some of the greatest ever pop music, from 66 to 69, after being part of the Industry for several years? If you're saying their early stuff is better than their mid/later stuff then I would have to beg to differ. Please Please Me against Revolver?

Some people seem to think if you make it big you're compromising something vital. Personally I find this a very romanticised and mislead viewpoint. Are you siggesting that their work would have been greater if they'd never made it big?

You ain't hit a nerve, I just don't agree with you're opinion.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2018097 - 10/17/03 03:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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mr_kite said:
????????? What's all this talk bout philosophy? And YOU name a band that's better than the Beatles and explain why. 




Ahem. IN FLAMES. Cough cough!

Why are they better? There songs are better. They are quite the band. Doesn't get any more simpler than that. :grin:
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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2018812 - 10/17/03 09:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

agreed.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2018901 - 10/17/03 09:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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but what exactly were you expecting when you bought it?





implied warranty of merchantability, ie it wouldn't sound like crap.

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??? i don't understand you. Two of them are dead, which is hardly their fault. And so Shakespeare's work means nothing to you cause he's dead?




I wasn't reffering to their being dead, I was reffering to the fact that every one of them (with the exception of Lennon) didn't live up to the philosophies that they expressed in their music. All you need is love? Yeah right. All you need is love... and royalties.

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And YOU name a band that's better than the Beatles and explain why.




Now you are asking me to qualitatively compare one work of art to another? Congratulations, that is the stupidest thing anyone has ever asked me to do.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2019030 - 10/17/03 10:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't reffering to their being dead, I was reffering to the fact that every one of them (with the exception of Lennon) didn't live up to the philosophies that they expressed in their music.

it's funny that you say that. lennon was great and all, but i really think he was the phoniest of the beatles. the man was an egomaniac.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2019082 - 10/17/03 10:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I like the Beatles music.

That being said, I think they did help bring about this money-grobbing scumbaggedness that we see so prominantly SPOTLIGHTED in today's music scene - whether they meant to or not, they DID change things in music for the WORSE. I think many of the "pop stars" who have followed them simply didn't deserve as much attention as they got, but since they are "the new big thing" they get blown up nowadays just as large if not larger than they ever were, which is a shame because nobody under the public heatlamp these days is nearly as good as they were IMO, yet is making even more money than they did and probably doing even less work.


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2020187 - 10/18/03 11:05 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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And YOU name a band that's better than the Beatles and explain why.




Now you are asking me to qualitatively compare one work of art to another? Congratulations, that is the stupidest thing anyone has ever asked me to do.





I have to agree with that statement, the beatles are good, but with everyone having different points of view and tastes, asking someone to name bands they feel are better than the beatles is retarded...I preffer the doors and deep purple over the beatles personally, and those aren't even the bands that I really have at heart...but I LOVE the beatles anyways, they were great ^^


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: Middleman]
    #2020892 - 10/18/03 05:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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soundmind said:
i wanted to lock the "most overrated bands ever thread"
because this forum needs constructive criticism.
but instead i decided to join in the spirit of the thread.




Agreed. I haven't even opened that thread yet -- too long -- but the title does seem pretty negative and OTDish for this forum...

And now we've got this thread defending the Beatles? One of the more significant musical influences/events/junctures of the 20th century -- right up there with Bob Dylan, Cole Porter, Louis Armstrong, et al...


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Re: Anyone with anything bad to say bout the Beatles... [Re: mr_kite]
    #2020977 - 10/18/03 06:37 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think the problem with the Beatles and every
Beatles album is the problem with every canonized
band and every canonized album. The problem is
that the canon is all gay and we're sick of hearing
about some faggots with guitars from seventy
years ago
necessarily incomplete and stuck in
the past, kind of.

The Western rock canon is for stupic people
who don't like reading books and are rich and
use their stupid canon as an excuse to be mean
to people who actually love music and it's
racist and sexist, too, and just plain bad and
the Beatles are the main thing in that whole
thing.

Does that make sense? I mean, like, fuck every
faggot who's ever used the term 'real music'
or tried to use a big objective argument to
justify liking some dinosaur band that drive
Jaguars and feel contempt for the working class.

I'd rather hear someone passionately explain
why they love Alicia Keys or Linkin Park than
some Teva-wearing white kid tell me how the
Beatles were so above all of that pop shit
and they were on the straight experimental
tip and was fuckin' up the mainstream from
the inside, while all of the stupid niggers
were singing about being someone's baby
and riots, and they love the Flaming Lips
and the fucking-- I don't know, the Polyphonic
Spree and shitty NME bands because they're
carrying on the tradition of white assholes
playing fake pop music. (Kneejerk 'The Beatles
were overrated arguments are just as boring.'
Because they are pretty good! I like that
song about how he's sleeping.) (But who
would bother listening to the Beatles now?
I mean, listen and make a decision but move
on.)

That's not an argument.


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