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Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you?
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The child that believed he could fly
grew into
a miserable old man that believes hes seen everything the world can offer.


I remember the inspiring joy felt in seeing a pig for the first time.

We create the joy and wonder, no matter how big your reality map gets - you still have the power to create any feeling.

People seek hallucinogens to show them the beauty within a carpet but it was always there they just trained themselves to forget.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no master - I just someone thats realized everyone has forgotten and reprogrammed themselves.


Exorcise:
Take a seemingly inanimate object and watch it / play with it until you become awestruck - the same as you were as a child.

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Ego Death]
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Has your logical mind become the rope that binds you? 

That and my mind in general. Programs all the way down.:crazy2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Icelander]
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It's time to... Reboot!



Does anyone remember this show? I liked how their User programmed them different games for them to experience.


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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Ego Death]
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The child that believed he could fly
Was found dead at the bottom of the fire escape
After falling 5 stories.

The child that knew flying was silly,
Lived to grow into an old man
Who created many things
And touched many lives.


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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Icelander]
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No, it's all your fault.  And public education.

But really, it's funny because that's why I'm reading this forum, and my ropes are being untied faster these days. :smile:


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and the hippos were boiled in their tanks

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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The child that believed he could fly, but of course always knew this was a simple but rather pretty metaphor grew into an old (wo)man that had always cherished her inner self and never become alienated from her own experience. This child grew to live a life of accomplishment, balancing what Nietzsche called our Apollonian and Dionysian drives (reason and passion.)

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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:laugh:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
The child that believed he could fly
grew into
a miserable old man that believes hes seen everything the world can offer.


misery, is people with this attitude.  :thumbup:


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Strive to be more than a codified manifestation of a generalized technological consciousness

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Ego Death]
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Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you?



Definitely.  :smirk:

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Veritas]
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:lol:

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Veritas]
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You must consider that though you are anchored off, your bolts were already in place before you fastened the quick draws...before you even came along. So your points of protection are fixed in place. Wouldn't it make more sense to place your own protection where you decide instead of relying on some guy you don't know to define the route?



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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Touche.

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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How do you know that I'm not the "guy" who goes ahead of the group and places the bolts?  It's MY mountain, after all.  :smirk:

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: Veritas]
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I was following the illustration. Your illustration was taken from a sport route. Before the sport bolts were placed a trad climber made first ascent, defined the route and left. They don't set permanent bolts in the rock...they leave it untouched. Also...no one really owns the mountain :smile:


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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The child believed he could fly a plane into a building to better serve his God and attain happiness in the after-life.

The skeptic who was derided for not 'respecting' another's beliefs cleaned up the fucking mess left behind.


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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Wow, you sure took that one off on a tangent... and didn't even remotely comment of the content of the post you responded too. :tongue:

If you'll have another quick peruse, I'm sure you'll notice the emphasis on the kid realizing it was a METAPHOR. As is all mythology. As the creators of mythos realize, and morons with an agenda of social control later forget (and convince others to forget too, through threat of violence.)

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Tangent? Is this thread's title not an attack on rationality?

Please give me an honest and direct response. Do you think an Islamic child who questioned his cultural belief system would be as capable of commiting large-scale violence against innocents as one who fully accepted what he was taught? Yes or No.


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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Please give you an honest and direct response? Your response to my post was a total diversion from the point I had been making, bringing in a rather unrelated example - one that usually leads to extremely irrational emotions on any side of the debate. This thread is not about the muslim faith or crashing planes into buildings. This example is pure pathos, attempting to prove your point by appealing to powerfully negative emotions. How rational is that? I'm not answering your question because it was not a topical response to the post you responded to. When you feel like making a topical response that actually relates to the point I was making, I'd be happy to discuss it.

And, in case you hadn't noticed, the post you responded to (mine) was not arguing against rationality. It was arguing for rationality through recognizing the purely symbolic nature of the human ability to fly or whatever other mythos one enjoys. Symbol: when something stands to represent a whole complex of ideas. Realizing this, it's perfectly possible to be utterly rational and still enjoy magical concepts. They aren't literal. Note: we are not entirely opposed to one another in this debate, we are closer to sharing views than not. Please make the effort to hear what I am saying before reacting.

And if we have to get on the whole muslim terrorism train, the whole situation is rather complex and cannot be explained by the simple reduction to a singular cause of fundamentalist religious beliefs, no matter how powerful and influential that element is.

If you are going to argue that this is not honest and direct, than you may wish to notice that your question is not honest or direct either. It is an extreme over simplification and demanding my end of the discourse be limited to a 'yes' or a 'no' purposely limits my capacity to respond. It is a weak mechanism of argument to make me appear to be avoidant in my answer even if I am more specific and more substantial than was asked of me. A question of such magnitude can NOT be reasonably answered with a 'yes' or 'no.' I'm not playing this silly game.

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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Nice try, NN. :congrats:

But let's look at what you wrote and see if my response was appropriate or not:

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The child that believed he could fly, but of course always knew this was a simple but rather pretty metaphor


A believer ALWAYS recognizes metaphor? The suicide bombers recognized the '42 Virgin' metaphor and The Creationist recognizes the 'Garden of Eden' metaphor and 'The Flood' metaphor?

And this happens ALWAYS? The child cannot be brain-washed? 90+% of ALL children adopt their parent's religion, what does that say about imprinting (and the dangers thereof)?


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Re: Has your logical mind become the rope that bounds you? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Nowhere in my post did I suggest that belief is always or even ever recognized as metaphor. I suggested an example of one hypothetical person (with much personal reference buried in it,) who chooses not to feel silly for the pleasurable metaphors they entertain and yet does not believe them to be literal. This is one possible way of bridging the false divide. I'm rather fond of Nietzsche's idea- that all human substance comes from passion (which is irrational) but that the rational part of us is what organizes and makes use of what would otherwise fly out of us randomly and purposelessly. This is not an unreasonable or irrational model of human experience. Take it or leave it, I was simply posing a third view.

Now you're welcome to continue to be as patronizing as you like, but my point still stands. You're going to have to try a little harder to really pose a challenge on this one.

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