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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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awesome update jackal.......i emailed my thoughts on weather strategy to you.....best of luck dude!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: greys]
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greysRDbest said:
awesome update jackal.......i emailed my thoughts on weather strategy to you.....best of luck dude!



Thanks buddy!

The substrate is covered with fluffy cloud like formations, some almost an inch high! Wonder how or if these will convert into fruits. Keeping my fingers crossed!



I think was wrong about how the thermoelectric cooler worked with respect using it for providing air exchange, so added a cool mist into the mix to be for sure for sure.

Accordingly, the ultrasonic pumps up the RH as needed and the cool mist adds some air exchange. The morels need 6 to 8 FAEs per hour, so the cool mist will be running 1 minute on 5 minutes off for 10 FAEs per hour. If the cool mist is run all the time it raises the temp too high.

Here is today's weather report: Sunny and:



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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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The myc is turning rust colored near the base of the cloud like formations. Hope this is a good sign!





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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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hm that looks fascinating

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: vampirism]
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Woah, cool! I can't wait to see how they develop.

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: bukujutsu]
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Thanks, guys! Hopefully the mushroom gods will smile upon me!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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hurry up damnit! my fingers are STILL crossed!! heh


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: greys]
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A bit of a set back!

After receiving comments from a morel expert, it was noted that the extended mycelium clouds would not fruit and that the top soil casing layer was not a good idea as it is too clay like, which does not promote colonization. This would explain the cloud like structures.

He suggested peat moss with sand added, as needed, for a casing mix. After some research, however, came up with a peat and perlite casing mix at 80/20 by volume. Also, the same expert had noted that removing the nutrient source per the published procedures would produce defective fruit bodies, due to the lack of nutrients during the fruiting stage.

In view of his comments, I have extended the tray by about an inch and a half, mixed in the peat/perlite casing mix into the old casing layer along with the mycelium clouds, and added a nutrient tray of WBS underneath to supply further nutrients to the mycelium while the new casing layer colonizes.

Accordingly, will keep you posted!

Cheers!

Jackal


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Just read this whole thread, nice work!

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: acneman]
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acneman said:
Just read this whole thread, nice work!



Thanks!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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just read everything .. very cool ideas and nice work !

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: orchidfanatic]
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orchidfanatic said:
just read everything .. very cool ideas and nice work !



Thank you!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Some more nice close ups of the Morchella elata hyphae.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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One thing I'm puzzled by is that it seems to want to form some sort of pseudo-rhizomorphs


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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There is also a fanning out kind of pattern too.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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As you can see this jar is almost completely colonized by the loosely compact hyphae, yet there is no sclerotia.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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One thing I haven't seen in Jackal's method is:
1) creating a jar that has 80% grain or wheat berries with a layer of perforated foil with a layer of soil on top and a second perforated layer of foil and inverted on top of the substrate for feeding of the mycelial colonies which will form conidia and sclerotia on the surface.
2) the drying out to 45% soil moisture content, obviously they are meaning a condition similar to those that occur during the summertime, you know there are droughts. Yet the mycelium grows further downward to absorb the moisture that it can find. Top layers of soil dry considerably.
3) 12 on? 12 off? the photos at the MSU site show a photo with a note that says "leave lights on! Do not turn off"


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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AcidHorse said:
One thing I haven't seen in Jackal's method is:
1) creating a jar that has 80% grain or wheat berries with a layer of perforated foil with a layer of soil on top and a second perforated layer of foil and inverted on top of the substrate for feeding of the mycelial colonies which will form conidia and sclerotia on the surface.
2) the drying out to 45% soil moisture content, obviously they are meaning a condition similar to those that occur during the summertime, you know there are droughts. Yet the mycelium grows further downward to absorb the moisture that it can find. Top layers of soil dry considerably.
3) 12 on? 12 off? the photos at the MSU site show a photo with a note that says "leave lights on! Do not turn off"



Good progress AcidHorse! My extended tray is back in winter mode and will attempt fruiting with new casing shortly!

As far as the method, go back a few posts and see that it was based on some published methods by the mushroom people, patents, and others. In the sclerotia formation stage, rye grass and soil in a mycobag were inoculated to form sclerotia. In the substrate stage, the sclerotia was placed in a supersoil substrate tray that was fed from holes underneath with rye grass tray. The rye grass tray is later taken away, and the substrate then cased and put in winter mode. In the fruiting stage, the substrate tray is soaked simulating rain and then allowed to warm up simulating spring. The problem I have is that black morels fruit at low temps 50-60F and so had to modify the thermoelectric cooler to achieve same. It has been one long complicated process to say the least and nobody really can seem to help, as the commercial growers tend to keep such information secret. As far as light, some say morels are not light sensitive so at this point it is pure trial and error.

Below is are recent pics of my set up and the re-cased extended tray in winter mode at 44F.





Cheers!

Jackal


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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I just started reading and Im amazed thanx!!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: Vegan]
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Vegan said:
I just started reading and Im amazed thanx!!



Thanks!


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