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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: shirley knott]
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shirley knott said:
you could stall/delay the process by refrigeration


Good idea! Will add casing layer and throw in fridge for slow casing spawn run.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Another question is what temp should I use for black morel casing spawn run. The Sporeworks site says:

"Colonization/fruiting Temperatures: 70-75F/40-60F
sclerotia Formation Temperature: 60-65F"

I did the substrate colonization run at 70F and thinking of doing the casing run at same temp.

The screwed up part is that they are out of the fridge or winter mode and at 70F after 36 hours of rain right now per the mushroom people tek, which may be all F'd up any ways.

Very confused at this point as to how to best proceed next.

A detailed temp, RH , rain, light, etc. timeline for black morels would be most helpful.

Nonetheless, ended up:

"casing (optional): Layer[ed] casing soil evenly to a depth of 1/2". Allow[ing] 7-10 days for Mycelium to run through the casing .
Air temp 65 - 70°F.
Filtered fresh air exchanges at 1 - 2 per hour.
Keep[ing] dark."


Assumed that casing run should be at same temp as colonization run. The poor black morel Mycelium is probably very confused right about now (as am I).


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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These bad boys are incredible! Two days later and look at this:


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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The_Jackal said:



Damn!
Maybe you won't have to worry about that vacation after all...c'mon pins!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
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Jeremy_Davis said:
The_Jackal said:



Damn!
Maybe you won't have to worry about that vacation after all...c'mon pins!


Thanks brotha!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Hey jackal....as you know by now i got banned at mycotopia..im glad you started a thread here so i can keep update on the morel progress.
fingers are still crossed......


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: greys]
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greysRDbest said:
Hey jackal....as you know by now i got banned at mycotopia..im glad you started a thread here so i can keep update on the morel progress.
fingers are still crossed......


Dang, did not know that, wtf? Thanks bro!

Latest plan is to let substrate with casing fully colonize, and put it back into winter mode for a few weeks, with more rain (per Lazlo's suggestion), and attempt at fruiting at 45-55F thereafter.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Easy! I didn't suggest more rain. :smirk:

Edit- I see. That's just what I would've done.

Edited by Hotnuts (08/10/07 08:54 AM)

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: Hotnuts]
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Hotnuts said:
Easy! I didn't suggest more rain. :smirk:

Edit- I see. That's just what I would've done. 


It does make more sense!  In nature it seems, the casing layer would be there in winter and would colonize in spring, as soil temps increase.  Thereafter, the heavy rains, and right temperature, RH, etc., conditions would induce fruiting.  The odds of failure seem much greater than 1000 to 1 at this point, but will continue with experiment. 

Any suggestions from the morel Gods would be much appreciated!

Cheers!

Jackal


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Cased substrate back in fridge and in winter mode! Hopefully, the morel Mycelium will tolerate my newbness.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Update:

I have not gotten around to setting up thermoelectric cooler as cold temperature greenhouse. The casing is accordingly fully colonized and when I get un-busy with my new job will jump on the cold temp cooler modification (hopefully in a couple of weeks).

For now, here is a pic of the substrate in winter mode at 38F:


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Decided to get off my ass and build the morel thermoelectric cooler fruiting chamber. Looks very promising!









A nice thing about the thermoelectric cooler is that it is constantly providing fresh air exchange (through an added filter), as part of its normal operation, which employs an input and output fan.




I'm wondering whether I should provide more rain before attempting fruiting.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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This is what the black morel hyphae look like and this is their branching pattern.
If it does not resemble this you may be off.
However Jackal, you have nothing to worry about from what I can see that
is indeed morel mycelia growing


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Here is black morel spores that have germinated under the microscope and what their hyphal pattern looks like.


All too obvious.

Plus I've discovered a technique for isolating a pure culture of morel.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Here it is growing fluffy on agar. Don't be fooled it isn't as thick as you think this is a magnification of a small area it's actually a really very fine white thin hyphae.

Note: the temperatures that this has been growing at has been between 86°F and 96°F.
Yet I've noticed granular growth on wood chips, along with fluffy.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Wild! It grows up the glass!

Did you notice those rhizomorph look alikes down at the bottom near the agar?


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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I've got a fully colonized jar of this stuff and it has bleached the wood in it.
Strange thing to lighten wood.
I had one jar get contaminated with a yellow bacterial contaminate.
but I didn't throw it out without checking the results, the morel had clumped together and stuck together the dirt and wood.
So it isn't a light growth in the soil but a heavy growth.
The hyphae have a specular reflectance that shows up slightly pinkish.
specular reflectance or irridescense? <-- spelled right?
Can't remember.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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Very kewl stuff AcidHorse! I did notice the very fine ultra thin almost spider web like growth and it smells like mushrooms. I hope I can get some fruits after all this hard work.

I now set up a new self contained rain gizmo and the forecast is 24 hours of rain followed by clear sunny day with temps in the upper 40s to mid to upper 50s.




















All help and suggestions appreciated!


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Edited by The_Jackal (09/09/07 11:38 AM)

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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That morel Mycelium is some aggressive stuff!

The pictures below are after only one day in the fruiting environment!





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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Weather report:



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