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Offlinefrogsheath
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A Peaceful Independence Day to All
    #721980 - 07/04/02 08:03 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Peace to all.
There are at least a few American ideals I can do without though.
Mowed lawns.
Fast food.
"progress".
Nice country though!
~urk


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Anonymous

Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: frogsheath]
    #722202 - 07/04/02 10:27 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Without the shedding of blood there is no freedom.


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: ]
    #722279 - 07/04/02 11:31 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Without the shedding of blood there is no freedom.

That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: ]
    #722551 - 07/04/02 02:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Without the shedding of blood there is no freedom.

I respect your opinion but my rubbtle is this...Ghandi's followers were freed without ever lifting their hands in anger. Just food for thought...


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Edited by Shroomalicious (07/06/02 02:09 AM)


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #722780 - 07/04/02 04:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

with all respect, your one word answer is totally...well how can i put this...ambigious and pointless? so what about Ghandi? I cannot read your mind...


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #722789 - 07/04/02 04:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

While Ghandi was busy practicing pacifism the British shed the blood of Eastern Indians over and over again. They didn't give up and won their freedom but their blood was shed plenty.


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: chodamunky]
    #722792 - 07/04/02 05:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Please list the freedom that anyone has had without the shedding of blood, asshole!


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: chodamunky]
    #723545 - 07/04/02 10:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Ghandi's followers were freed without ever lifting their hands in anger, this is what he was famous for and I assumed everone here knew this, sorry I will be more specfic next time. No harm in a question.


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #724059 - 07/05/02 04:27 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

That's very true! I wasn't implying that one could not gain freedom without fighting. But many of them died for their freedom and as everyone is aware Ghandigee was shot to death for his pacifism as was Martin Luther King, John Lennon, etc etc etc.

Liberty is one of life's most precious things and it really makes me see red (which is VERY rare) when some idiot doesn't realize the price someone had to pay for them to have it.


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Invisiblechodamunky
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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: ]
    #724634 - 07/05/02 01:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Liberty is one of life's most precious things and it really makes me see red (which is VERY rare) when some idiot doesn't realize the price
someone had to pay for them to have it.


listen you freak, don't come on this board assuming people are gonna agree with you and READ YOUR FUCKING MIND when you answer questions with one word ei GHANDI. I don't give two shits if you see red (which is very rare...pffff). Im gonna be the arrogant son of a bitch answer your question with one word also. KRISHNAMURTI.

You figure that one out terd burgler.


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: chodamunky]
    #724768 - 07/05/02 02:29 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

chodamunky, for one thing it wasn't Mr Mushrooms who offered the one-word answer.

For another, Shroomalicious' point is well-made, though incomplete. MM did a good job of explaining the role of violence in the pursuit of freedom. I'm not going to paraphrase what he said, what's the point, he did it well enough.

MM didn't discount Shroom's point, he just qualified it: even in the path to peace that Ghandi, et al, followed, expect some violence. From the opposition.

Furthermore, I don't think any of this discounts what Krishnamurti is proposing.


Edited by hongomon (07/05/02 02:31 PM)


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: hongomon]
    #724993 - 07/05/02 04:34 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks hongomon. I guess he got confused over who said what. It would be nice if we could get everyone to lay down their arms and hug one another but that is a little naive given the nature of man. Unfortunately the freedom that everyone enjoys has a price. I thought we all needed reminded of that.

Cheers ,


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OfflineShroomalicious
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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: ]
    #725766 - 07/06/02 02:06 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I respect everyone because I think the human heart is just magical. I think we ALL just want what is best and the wars happen because we don't agree on how to get there.


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #725847 - 07/06/02 05:21 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I see things differently. I think that some wars are started because some people hate other people because of their race or ideology. I do not see anything magical about the human heart that excuses the behavior of Osama Bin Laden, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, etc. There is evil in the heart of man. Otherwise there would be no evil.


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: ]
    #726306 - 07/06/02 12:18 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Happy fourth of july! Hail to the theif! To the Republic, for which we fell, one nation, over god, with liberty and justice for some. Remember when you voted for Bush? Fuck you because he robbed us all of our basic rights by stealing the election. How about my right to life? A life where I'm not lied to all my life and told that I live in a fair, democratic society when in reality it's a corrupt oligarchy. The upper class rules cause money is now God. Happy fourth of july!


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Those who speak do not know.


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Re: A Peaceful Independence Day to All [Re: ChubbSubb]
    #726315 - 07/06/02 12:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Let us go light off some fireworks to celebrate our freedom!, oh wait, most fireworks are illegal right? I love it!


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