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Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be?
    #1382764 - 03/17/03 04:20 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Hello All,

Right now everybody is wondering what the heck is gonna happen as far as this upcoming war... and even after. More so what's going to happen AFTER this war, because as we all know it's most likely not gonna take longer than a month to take complete control of Iraq.

Let me ask you this question real quick. Everybody says they want peace, and it's true they do. We all do! But...

Do you really think it's possible for any Human Government/Organization to ever create 100% on Earth?

I mean look at the track record of human existence... the 20th century had the most wars, the worst wars in the shortest amount of time than there ever has been in the history of human existence!! You would thing that as time goes on humans would get better at this Peace thing right?

Well the truth is, humans just aren't fit to rule themselves... man is not fit to direct even his own steps. Some of you might already know where I'm getting at.

So who is fit to run things here on earth, to create peaceful conditions that will last forever... not just for a couple years?

The Man Upstairs... The Ruller of the Universe... He who created us for goodness sakes! God himself!

Here's what I've learned from studying the bible... and is what I truly believe!! And because of my beliefs I really am not worrying what's gonna happen next... because I believe 100% I already know!!

In the beginning there was the garden of Eden correct? Adam and Eve were meant to live forever in a perfect, PEACEFUL world. They were to fill the earth with offspring, and take care of the planet. That was all that was purposed!

But we all know what happened next, Adam and Eve were snared by Satan's lies. Thus leading them to break THE ONLY RULE God set for them. Eating from the tree.

Now at this point, God could've wiped the slate so to speak, and start over... or not to start over at all. That would be a cowardly way out, instead he wanted to allow time to prove that he was the sovereign lord, the one that knows all. He wanted to PROVE satan was a liar. By doing what satan did, he pretty much said that humans didn't need god to rule over them... that the only reason humans would ever be obedient to him is just if they're getting something out of it.

So... the entire human existence up til' this point has been to prove a point... that if humans were left to rule themselves, it would eventually end in their demise (don't worry he won't let that happen, more on that in a bit) just because they don't have the knowledge, the wisdom to do it. He's proved this point by far... and so soon he's going to get rid of all the wickedness in this world... and restore the earth back to the paradise it was originally meant to be, and he'll let all who stayed faithful to him live forever on earth!

So that's why I don't worry about goin up in a big nuclear holocaust, or other mass destructive things... because god won't let earth be destroyed to that extent... he'll step in long before that!

Alot of stuffthat's been happening these past 80-100 years now have been prophesized on the bible as being the "signs of the end". This world is really close to dieing... it's just hard to imagine, because it's all we've ever known, and all our ancestors have ever knowned. But human existence has really only been a short period of time in the whole scheme of things... it's like a day or two to god, because he's always been... he had no beginning, nor will he ever end!

Regardless though, this "system of things" is going to end soon... and Bush, or any other human, or government is never going to bring about peace! People are looking in the wrong place!

So yes, this is what I believe! I grew up studying the bible, and all what I've read I have no doubt this will happen! The only thing that is hard, is making it into the earthly paradise that will follow armageddon... because it's going to be the road "less traveled"... the mass majority of us humans will not make it (including me if I don't change some of my ways). It's just really hard, cause we're not perfect, and in these last days satan is trying very hard to stumble as many humans as he can so they'll go down with him. He's had thousands of years to learn how to "lure" humans in with just the pefect "bait" (temptation) in order for them to break gods laws, and he's really good at it, I could vouch personally on this! Alot of us could if we're truly being honest with ourselves!

But... there are humans that are doing what god asks of all of us. What does he want? Basically not to commit gross sins (smaller ones are inevitable, we're imperfect, but that doesn't mean we don't even try NOT to commit these) and do his work on earth. What's his work? Getting the word out to as many people as possible about his upcoming war with satan and all of his wickedness, and how they can make it to the new paradise... and live forever on earth! That's it, and as long as your trying your hardest to do these things... you'll make it!

I know many of you won't believe what I believe is the truth... but I just had to put it out there... because this war, and the post war uncertaintities is on EVERYBODY'S mind!

Thanks for reading, and lets see what bush has to say tonight!

Peace
Gthirteens



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Fresh Times Past Age Like Wine,
More and More Precious All the Time

We have found they can intoxicate,
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As I pluck them off my Aged Mental Vine,
Fresh Times Past Taste Like Wine

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383001 - 03/17/03 05:54 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

How do you know what you believe is true?


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383015 - 03/17/03 06:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

*sigh* what a relief! all this time i was sitting around trying to solve the worlds problems, just getting myself in a tussel! its so nice to breathe easy knowing jesus will be here anyday to save us from ourselves...

::waiting::



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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383016 - 03/17/03 06:02 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

***Cough*Spirituality Forum*Cough***


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383392 - 03/17/03 08:03 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

LOL!  :grin:


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383541 - 03/17/03 08:44 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

One problem with the way the bible is treated today is that its history and origins are ignored.  The bible is a historically significant document, it's origins trace back to the beginning of civilization.

The story of Adam and Eve came from the Sumerian tale of Creation.  Adam and eve were placed in the Eden and instructed by  Yawheh not to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, or they would die, and be cast out of paradise.  However, a "serpent" persuaded Eve that surely they would not die and convinced them to partake of the fruit. 

In the Sumerian mythology, there were two primary deities in charge of mankind: Enki and Enlil.  Enki was the ally of man, for he had created them out of the "clay".  Enlil was a strict discipliner of man, and less fond of his brother's, Enki's, creation.
Enki is often associated with the serpent throughout Sumerian mythology.  This is where we get the modern symbol for medicine: a serpent entwined around a tree.  Enlil has come to be known as Yawheh in the Bible.  Yawheh is but one deity of the ancient sumerian pantheon, although some others have been tied in to this deity as well, to accomodate the monotheistic doctrine of the Chrisitan church.

Enlil did not want mankind to possess the knowledge of the gods.  He was a jealous God, sound familiar :wink:?  Enki,on the other hand, as mankinds benefactor, encouraged his creation to partake of the Tree of Knowledge and to gain awareness.  To gain this consciousness which has become a catalyst throughout time for the great teachers like Buddha and Jesus and countless others.  By partaking of the "fruit", "adam and eve" in the "garden of eden" were merely taking the first steps in mankinds spiritual evolution.  Without those steps, there would have been no "Jesus" and no modern Chrisitanity.  The concept of God and Satan is a misnomer.  A gross oversimplification.  A tool for the self-righteous to spew forth dogma.

An eternity in God's paradise sure sounds nice doesn't it?  Funny, though, that many Christians' ultimate motive is selfish.  To earn a place in heaven?  They do their "work here on Earth", ie: attempting to persuade others toward their beliefs, and satisfying their own petty conscience, so that they will look pious and righteous in the eyes of their Lord.  So that when their day of judgement comes their Lord will see that they were "good" and their will earn their place in heaven.

I feel the spiritual path leads forever onward.  To those waiting for their eternity in paradise, I would suggest all is not so simple. 

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383547 - 03/17/03 08:45 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be?"


Solution to peace? Well, that'd be war.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383562 - 03/17/03 08:48 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

the bible is not for us.

the bible is old and outdated....sure it teaches common morality...but so do mommy and daddy (they should...)

the bible was the myth for the past....people just don't know what the myth for today is

read some Joeseph Campbell, good guy

for you sir, i'd suggets "The Power of the Myth"

don't take me word for it, read this stuff...you'll really love it

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383893 - 03/17/03 10:22 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Well the truth is, humans just aren't fit to rule themselves... man is not fit to direct even his own steps
uhhh no, YOU aren't fit to rule yourself by making a statement like that.  If you feel you need a higher authority to tell you how to live and how to direct your own footsteps then I feel sorry for you.

The Man Upstairs... The Ruller of the Universe...
There a so many views on what God is or is not, how are you so sure you know what he is or if he even exists?

And because of my beliefs I really am not worrying what's gonna happen next... because I believe 100% I already know!!
LOL, blinded by your own beliefs... that's classic.

But we all know what happened next, Adam and Eve were snared by Satan's lies.
Satan offered them knowledge and equality with God.  I guess that's a bad thing in some peoples eyes.

I know many of you won't believe what I believe is the truth... but I just had to put it out there...
I definately don't believe in your version of truth but I respect your views and I hope you can respect mine too. Enjoyed your post  :wink:

Edited by chodamunky (03/17/03 10:47 AM)

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1383920 - 03/17/03 10:29 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think Mckenna had a much better answer.....

Shrooms for everyone!!!

Cheers,
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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: jono]
    #1384278 - 03/17/03 12:10 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I think Mckenna had a much better answer.....

Shrooms for everyone!!!

Cheers,
Jono. 




I second that.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1385089 - 03/17/03 03:44 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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In the beginning there was the garden of Eden correct? Adam and Eve were meant to live forever in a perfect, PEACEFUL world. They were to fill the earth with offspring, and take care of the planet. That was all that was purposed!

But we all know what happened next, Adam and Eve were snared by Satan's lies. Thus leading them to break THE ONLY RULE God set for them. Eating from the tree.





hehe, what if that type of god, came back to earth, and tells you can't touch the forbidden fruit agian. Would you treasure freedom, and eat the fruit, or live in fear listen to that god?

Trust me you better off, listening to satan, and eating fruits of freedom.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1385216 - 03/17/03 04:17 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I'm glad people who put so much faith in the bible can lead happy lives in their blissful ignorance. The book is 2000 years old! How can it be right when Psychology books written 50 years ago are termed 'outdated' ??

So that's why I don't worry about goin up in a big nuclear holocaust, or other mass destructive things... because god won't let earth be destroyed to that extent... he'll step in long before that!

Maybe that's what the Japanese thought when that nuclear warmth consumed them... Maybe that's what the Jew's were thinking while the over was set on "broil" .. I'm not trying to offend, but it angers me that people can be so content with the answers fed to them from 2000 years ago.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: jono]
    #1385705 - 03/17/03 06:27 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

pfft, McKenna... not really any different than any other preacher. I mean, c'mon, spores from space? That's even more ridiculous than immaculate conception.

Shrooms don't make people peaceful, or nice, or intellectual, or generous. I've heard that nonsense repeated over and over. "If only world leaders ate mushrooms..."

It just doesn't work that way. I've met many a violent fool who was also a fan of the mushrooms. I've met people who think it's a blast to eat shrooms and then trash a hotel room.

One thing I've noticed about psychedelics, is that they make people solidify their beliefs. If someone thinks pacifism is good, eating mushrooms will just make them believe this more strongly. If someone thinks killing niggers is a good thing, shrooms will back them up. Believe in god? Shrooms will make you believe more strongly, and vice versa.

Charles Manson is a perfect example. Ate tons of acid, and decided a race war was necessary, and that murdering celebrities was the way to get things started.

Psychedelics are fun, and they're neat, but they aren't needed in order to get in touch with yourself, to think philosophically, or to understand the world around you. You can do all these things without psychedelics.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1385836 - 03/17/03 07:01 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I actually somewhat agree with that
although there are many ways to see it.

heh I enjoy the bible, what are your opinions on Daniels king of the North/South prophecies?

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: shaggy101]
    #1386251 - 03/17/03 10:19 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

perhaps by killing each other off when we get too dense, don't understand each others, or we just want other peoples oil we keep room for other species on this planet as well. Perhaps lust for war is essential for humans to keep balance within nature. Just a thought....i myself don't know wether i would believe this, but the point is we always analyse war from within the human perspective(thus with all our disgust for the sheer horror of it), perhaps we could also take a look at it from a larger plane (war as an instrument that for a part defines our limits on this planet)....

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Phluck]
    #1386266 - 03/17/03 10:34 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Phluck, please dont take my point the wrong way, I wasnt trying to inspire any kind of heated argument.

I agree that average doses of psychedelics in a lot of cases dont do anything to change a person, but you must admit that for a lot of people they are a life changing experience. I know in my case, LSD gave me a proverbial kick in the mind, and changed my life. I became more aware of my motivations, thoughts, values etc in general, and set about changing myself as a person. Whether or not this is a common occurence, I cant say, all I can speak for is myself.

I do believe, however, that most everyday people would be hard pressed not to "change" after having a "level 5" experience on psychedelics.


Just my 2c

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Phluck]
    #1386428 - 03/18/03 01:05 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Solution to peace? Well, that'd be war.

Um...no. Fighting for Peace is the same as fucking for virginity. It just don't work that way.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1386455 - 03/18/03 01:42 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Um...no. Fighting for Peace is the same as fucking for virginity. It just don't work that way.   




if you talk cliches i will counter one as well:

for instance this PURELY theoretical situation: 
you would have 10 ppl in one room. 9 ppl out of these 10 have only 2 charasteristics and all the same. 1 out of these 2 charasterics is omni-present, the other one can only  come to the surface IF triggered. If triggered however this  charasteristic will make them kill each other off. The first, peaceful, charasteristic will never be able to trigger this second one.

Now we have the 10th person. He has only one charasteristic, and as you might guess, this one has only one purpose. Trigger the second charasteristic(and the ability to do so) of those other 9 ppl. wich eventually will make them kill each other off including the 10th.

What would yo do? Kill this 10th persoon so the other 9 can live happily ever after, or not ''fight for peace" and end up with a room full of dead people?? or another solution??? Other people's reactions are welcome as well..... :smile: 

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: quemo]
    #1386456 - 03/18/03 01:43 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

talking him out of it, or feeding him mushies is no option by the way :wink:

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: quemo]
    #1386474 - 03/18/03 01:55 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

You kill the 10th person and the violence would trigger them to just kill each other anyway. Violence leads to more violence. Peace leads to peace. Two wrongs do not make a right. You want peace? Outlaw guns, missles, bombs, etc. If no one had them there would be no use for them. At least violence would get back to swords and fists and shit.. that's more 'manly' anyway. WAR, will NEVER lead to peace. There will always be a retaliation, there will always be someone waiting for revenge. War breeds only more war. Show me a war that has caused peace, and an end to war. Show me a peace that has caused war.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1386557 - 03/18/03 02:36 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Governments start wars, outlaw governments.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1386576 - 03/18/03 02:45 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Examples like this one i stated are created to find 'absolute' laws in existence, or in this case to rule yours out. By setting a specific kind of conditions in a vacuum situation it is easier to filter out truths and flaws in ones statement. In this case you say: "war (cq.violence is my assumption) could NEVER lead to peace". I disagree in a philosophical way, not in a personal emotional way, and try to make that clear by the given situation. I hope you see the difference.... :blush:

by the way: my personal statement in this one would be i guess that given the infinite conditions wich create reality as we know it, there will ALMOST always be a significant number of peacefull options to resolve any given problem. And those are preferred above war in ANY situation......sorry if i'm being to picky :wink:

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: jono]
    #1386670 - 03/18/03 03:33 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"I know in my case, LSD gave me a proverbial kick in the mind, and changed my life... I do believe, however, that most everyday people would be hard pressed not to "change" after having a "level 5" experience on psychedelics."

But did it change your values, or your basic beliefs? I'm not denying it can bring about some sort of a change (or at least a perceived change), but it's not going to reverse your morals or beliefs.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1387168 - 03/18/03 06:39 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"because I believe 100% I already know!!"

lol I always feel way better when I leave a bit of room for false beliefs.... DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE 100% IN ANYTHING? Don't just say Yes without thinking.. oh shit nevermind you believe in God.. ok nevermind. bye.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1387422 - 03/18/03 08:00 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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You want peace? Outlaw guns, missles, bombs, etc. If no one had them there would be no use for them.




Gee, that's a real nifty idea. I agree, the world would be better off without ballistic weapons. But that isn't the reality we have created for ourselves. Weapons exist. Lots of em. They will continue to be produced. No law is going to stop the production and distribution and use of ballistic weapons. The best any law could do is stop law-abiding people from having these weapons. Then, only the people witht the worst intentions will have them.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1387605 - 03/18/03 08:49 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"You want peace? Outlaw guns, missles, bombs, etc. If no one had them there would be no use for them."

Who would outlaw them, and how would they enforce it without weapons of their own?

See this is exactly what Hitler did back before he started romping around europe; he banned all citizens from keeping weapons so that he could do whatever he wanted and nobody could fight back.

If you let them ban guns, "the man" or "the establishment" or whatever you want to call it is going to walk all over you at 50X the speed they're doing it at now. Once the people have no weapons, the government is free to do whatever it pleases.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1387689 - 03/18/03 09:09 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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If you let them ban guns, "the man" or "the establishment" or whatever you want to call it is going to walk all over you at 50X the speed they're doing it at now. Once the people have no weapons, the government is free to do whatever it pleases.



C'mon, if you can't trust people who lust after power, get it and then tell everyone else what to do, who can you trust?


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1387787 - 03/18/03 09:39 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

impossible...i am jewish myself, but there is no solution in G-d, because if im not mistaken, religion was the CAUSE of most of those wars in the 20th century


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: IamHungry]
    #1388024 - 03/18/03 10:52 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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impossible...i am jewish myself, but there is no solution in G-d, because if im not mistaken, religion was the CAUSE of most of those wars in the 20th century




Ok.... no. Religion wasn't the CAUSE of any of the wars in the 20th century... you can't put it in the name of religion. It's the people in those particular religions that twisted it to go along with what THEY think would be right.

But... you are right in a way as well... becuase that's one thing I think will happen before armageddon comes. In revelation it says that right before armageddon the government is going to go against false religion... or whatever they think would be false religion, which may be all religion. But it says at that time, once the government tries to raise up his hand against the group of people that are doing god's true will, it says that then god will react immediately... because he won't allow his true worshipers be harmed.

So look for government going against religion sometime in the future... they'll believe that if they get rid of religion that they'll then have true peace worldwide... but it won't happen that way! Armageddon will be very close at that point!

Against, this is what I've learned to be true!

Peace


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Phluck]
    #1388036 - 03/18/03 10:56 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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How do you know what you believe is true?




Because I have faith in what the bible says. I mean, what other book has such amazing fullfilled prophesies? It's definetly inspired by a divine source! If you would like me to list all of the amazing, detailed prophesies that has happened throughout the history of mankind without fail? It's just proof you can't ignore! Plus when you find the truth you can just feel it, you can sense it, it's like a slap in the face!

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: KB1EWE]
    #1388063 - 03/18/03 11:03 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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the bible is not for us.



I'm sorry you feel that way.

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the bible is old and outdated....sure it teaches common morality...but so do mommy and daddy (they should...)



It doesn't just teach morality, it explains exactly in detail what is going to happen when this system of things comes to an end. Everything else the bible has prophesied to come true... has come true... so why would this be any different. Plus, how could the bible be outdated... it's the word of God... and God doesn't get outdated... he's more intelligent then anybody could ever even conceive of. He knows more about us, and our lives than we even do!

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the bible was the myth for the past....people just don't know what the myth for today is




Well man... if you believe it's just a myth then I can't change your opinion... but I've never known of any other myth that has successfully fortold many detailed happenings hundreds of years before they even occurred!

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1388104 - 03/18/03 11:19 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the truth is, humans just aren't fit to rule themselves... man is not fit to direct even his own steps
uhhh no, YOU aren't fit to rule yourself by making a statement like that.  If you feel you need a higher authority to tell you how to live and how to direct your own footsteps then I feel sorry for you.




Ok, so mankind knows what they're doing then huh?  Why is this earth being destroyed slowly, year by year?  Why is their still NOT Peace?  Lets just say there was no god, and we came about from evolution... we're all gonna kill ourselves off either by destroying this planet beyond liveable conditions, or by killing ourselves with war!  So this is success? This means we're fit to rule ourselves? I don't think so, do you?


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The Man Upstairs... The Ruller of the Universe...
There a so many views on what God is or is not, how are you so sure you know what he is or if he even exists?




Look at my last post, read what I said about prophesies?  That is proof enough there is a God that has power over everything!  Besides, do you really believe all of us, everything growing on the earth, all the animals happened by chance??  If you've ever read about the complexities of just the human body, and the universe and whatever else there is then you'd know that if just 1 of the billions of factors that is involved in creating a human was just off by the smallest of fraction that we wouldn't even exist!

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And because of my beliefs I really am not worrying what's gonna happen next... because I believe 100% I already know!!
LOL, blinded by your own beliefs... that's classic.




Just the opposite, my beliefs have opened my eyes... they were never opened in the first place before my beliefs.

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But we all know what happened next, Adam and Eve were snared by Satan's lies.
Satan offered them knowledge and equality with God.  I guess that's a bad thing in some peoples eyes.




That's funny, what kind've knowledge could Satan offer that God wouldn't offer?  You think God was trying to hold something out on us?  He created us to enjoy life, and whatever rules he makes for us are only for our own good.  Oh and Satan offering EQUALITY to God????  That's ridiculous... nobody could ever be equal to God, and somebody offering this is humourous to me.

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I know many of you won't believe what I believe is the truth... but I just had to put it out there...
I definately don't believe in your version of truth but I respect your views and I hope you can respect mine too. Enjoyed your post  :wink: 




As always I respect anybodies beliefs... because it's not up to me to judge on anybody.

Peace Out


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1388359 - 03/18/03 01:08 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"Look at my last post, read what I said about prophesies? That is proof enough there is a God that has power over everything!"

No. No its not.

Please list these "detailed happenings" that the bible predicted, and then take a look at these details in other translations/interpretations - many modern (and not-so-modern) "translators" have basically molded the bible into whatever they want through loose interpretation and a complete misunderstanding of ancient communication.

Please just admit to me that it is POSSIBLE that the bible was just a really good epic fictional story loosely tied to a few misunderstood occurances, and I'll admit that it is POSSIBLE that its all how you say it is


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1388426 - 03/18/03 01:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

what if the only belief you have is science, true mathmatical science, because its the only thing in life that CAN be proved... everything else is just an infinite loop of questions, and the only time we think those things are actually true is when when we as people stop asking questions... things like the bible only exist because people wanted to stop asking questions, and once someone wanted to really know for sure, they were labeled a scientist and probably burned alive.

i bring no solution... just a drop of chaos for you all to taste.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1388461 - 03/18/03 01:40 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

we're all gonna kill ourselves off either by destroying this planet beyond liveable conditions, or by killing ourselves with war!
That's only two possiblities of the future, but since you are so firm in your beliefs, you think they're the only ones *sigh* Why has the bible made you so cynical?

my beliefs have opened my eyes... they were never opened in the first place before my beliefs.
Do you understand what a belief is? A belief is a commitment to a single idea or ideology, which inevitably closes your mind to other posibiblites and ideas. I stand on what I said, you are blinded by your beliefs and your post proves it by saying you are 100% sure you are right.

You think God was trying to hold something out on us?
Obviously, he forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the tree....

Oh and Satan offering EQUALITY to God???? That's ridiculous... nobody could ever be equal to God
Has the thought that we ARE god ever crossed your mind? oh silly me, I forgot about you and your 10 mile high beliefs...

As always I respect anybodies beliefs
I considered my replies to be opinions, not beliefs. I try to have as few beliefs as possible.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1388485 - 03/18/03 01:47 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"Why has the bible made you so cynical?"

LoL yeah, Gthirteens..... So you prefer to look at the story of Mankind as all failure, lack of faith, lack of will, lack of intelligence, lack of peace, and in-need of a 'parent' as opposed to a story of success, self-fulfilled AND self-created meaning, drama, action, adventure......

edit: hmm I shouldn't pigeonhole people like that.. I'll attempt to refrain from doing so in the future.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1388879 - 03/18/03 04:07 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"If you would like me to list all of the amazing, detailed prophesies that has happened throughout the history of mankind without fail?"

Yeah, I would actually. Let's see this list.

This is gonna be great.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Gthirteens]
    #1388882 - 03/18/03 04:09 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

"Plus when you find the truth you can just feel it, you can sense it, it's like a slap in the face!"

Actually, I've been slapped in the face a few times. It's never convinced me of any facts.

The fact that you have faith is not evidence that what the bible says is true. Many people have faith in other religions that directly contradict what the bible says, and there are even people who have faith in the idea that there is no god.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1388924 - 03/18/03 04:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry I should have been more clear. I should know better than making a blanket statement as such. What I really meant to say was, get rid of/change/replace the governments from the inside out, unite the people of earth, and THEN ban guns.


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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1389219 - 03/18/03 06:28 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

SHouting out to all...

this what I see here everyone saying, what they believe should be asked or said what they BELIEVE. it doesnt matter. whats in the bible, what in science it doesnt matter. the bible is a constant search to find meaning, and i respect it cause i think anyone should appreciate something that drives you to be a better person, and i think its a nice mirror, but besides the point.

Taking away all that repressive thoughts, you think it could very well be a very wise book, some people may have only came up with the bible in what some say as an excuse to stop questioning.

But that RULE or definition or opinion is only limited to those people and not the subject as a whole.

To stop questioning, to accept what you believe as the ultimate truth, defining a constant thought un reasonable to change, that right there is the epitome of ignorance, and ignorance breeds conflict, conflict raising to anger, and hatred.

but in the bible it says to have faith, and keep going. Faith is knowing that in all doubt you stand up and face the truth.

GOD is what you define god to be, its the most subjective word i think there is. One persons says they hate god cause "he" did this, and "he" did that, when it might not even be a HE OR SHE OR ANYTHING AT ALL. and that is what you define, and just like Phluck said about mushrooms, it solidifies your ideas about your life. Defining what god is, only solidifies your boundaries.

and this is where im going to merge the people on the other side. Some...They question, they HAVE faith, they search non stop for the truth. and IMHO these are the followers of what the bible says as god. Anything you define, you are limited by those definitions, like lines or boarders on a building or painting, as you define thus the barriers become. Seek not to define, but to understand for only one thing is constant, that things will always change. Maybe thats what the bible means when it says have faith...in god, the undefinable. BUt this and even this could be a definition, but in understanding that paradox you understand the point therefore mentioned here and maybe to your boundaries even in the bible.

just some of my ideas. Maybe we should all just forget what we know about anything and start over eh?

The problem with people today, is they have no unified human goal, they are trapped in greed and selfishness and only what they want to be right, they want to color THEIR elmer fud, thats all they want to draw is elmer fud. even as i write this i try not to hold it to my own, im writing here to write out to you, to touch each one of you, so that you may touch me back and so we have "solidarity". so we may come together.

The differences are only as much as we make them.

WE DEFINE THE LINES. THE CHOICE IS UP TO YOU.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1404298 - 03/23/03 06:33 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

In order to create world peace, you need to find inner peace. Beware of what you think, people can feel it.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #1404334 - 03/23/03 06:50 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Heh great post! I like what tak said to

I find when having a discussion on religion just cut out the details.. what do you believe? simplafy it.

look at what is the driving force..the motivation, the fundamental belief.
I have yet to find a human without faith.

That last line you said is been on my mind lately, I MUST take responsibility for my interactions/choices, but especially words.
But I think it is important to remember what ever force you believe in(or whatever u want to call it) it is always at work, it doesnt take a vacation :smirk:

Even if you are not "loyal"(whatever that means) to the force the force never gives up on you , and even when you are not trying or least expect it..it works thru you.

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Re: Wanna know what the real solution to peace will be? [Re: shaggy101]
    #1404558 - 03/23/03 10:11 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think while we are in this monkey form world peace will be next to impossible.
There would have to be some kind of big change in human DNA to even start to think about this. This race of strange multiplying mammels is just too violent.
So just hope evolution or nature kicks our arses soon.


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