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Talking About Kiddy Porn Illegal?
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WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide the constitutionality of a child pornography law that a lower court criticized as criminalizing merely talking about illegal images.

The issue arose in the case of Michael Williams, whose conviction in Florida for promoting, or pandering, child porn on the Internet was reversed by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

The justices took the case at the Bush administration's request. It will be argued in the fall.

The appeals court panel found that the promoting, or pandering, provision of the PROTECT Act of 2003 was overbroad and impermissibly vague. "Non-commercial, non-inciteful promotion of illegal child pornography, even if repugnant, is protected speech under the First Amendment," the Atlanta-based court said.

The law also unreasonably criminalizes the speech of someone who touts material as child pornography when in fact it is clean or nonexistent, the court said.

In the appeals court's view, the pandering provision could even apply to an innocent e-mail sent by a grandparent and entitled "Good pics of kids in bed," showing grandchildren dressed in pajamas.

One sender might be a proud grandparent while another might be a convicted child molester who hopes to trade for more graphic photos with like-minded recipients, the appeals court said.

In asking the court to take the case, the administration said the appeals court read the law's language more broadly than is warranted.

Congress made clear that "efforts to stimulate, feed or capitalize on a market for what purports to be child pornography deserve no sanctuary," Solicitor General Paul Clement, the administration's lawyer before the justices, said in court papers.

Authorities arrested Williams in an undercover operation aimed at combating child exploitation on the Internet. A Secret Service agent engaged Williams in an Internet chat room where they swapped non-pornographic photographs. Williams advertised himself as "Dad of toddler has 'good' pics of her an me for swap of your toddler pics, or live cam."

After the initial photo exchange, Williams allegedly posted seven images of actual minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct. Agents who executed a search warrant found 22 child porn images on Williams' home computer.

Williams also was convicted of possession of child pornography. That conviction, and the resulting five-year prison term, is not being challenged.

The case is U.S. v. Williams, 06-694.

washingtonpost.com


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Talking About Kiddy Porn Illegal? [Re: Diploid]
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This ruling says that offering to trade kiddy porn on the internet is legal as long as you don't actually have any kiddy porn to trade.

Well, OK but I thought it was illegal to offer to sell cocaine when what you're actually selling is talc (as in scamming the buyer).

Isn't that analogous?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Talking About Kiddy Porn Illegal? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
This ruling says that offering to trade kiddy porn on the internet is legal as long as you don't actually have any kiddy porn to trade.

Well, OK but I thought it was illegal to offer to sell cocaine when what you're actually selling is talc (as in scamming the buyer).

Isn't that analogous?


Are you expecting consistency from our government? lol

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Re: Talking About Kiddy Porn Illegal? [Re: Diploid]
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> Well, OK but I thought it was illegal to offer to sell cocaine when what you're actually selling is talc

Not only is it illegal, but they charge you as if you were selling drugs. Pretending to sell drugs or selling drugs are the same thing in the eyes of the law. Absolutely stupid, but then, so are the prohibition laws in the first place. If anything, they should be arresting the person for fraud.

This is a tough one for me... I loathe child pornography and despise the predators that abuse children. However, they have a right to discuss and write about what they do. Although it makes me sick, I support their 1st amendment rights. Should they proceed from discussion to actually violating the safety or innocence of children, then toss them in prison, preferably in a locked cell with a lot of big, mean, angry men, and loose the key.


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