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OfflineEllis Dee
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Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn.
    #619948 - 04/27/02 12:28 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The Supreme court has ruled to legalize "virtual" child pornography!!! Can you believe it, our own government has literally legalize child pornography?!

What this means, is that images and even cartoons of children being sexually molested, raped, and abused are now protected by law!!!

Just a few weeks ago the FBI was arresting child pornographers by the dozen. But now the supreme court has ruled that child pornography is a constitutionally protected right!!

This deplorable ruling is an open invitation to pedophiles and homosexuals to abuse our kids.

This is an OUTRAGE and must not be allowed to stand. Please contact your congressman, senator, and president to urge them to overrule this OUTRAGEOUS decision with a constitutional amendment forbiding child pornography.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #619993 - 04/27/02 01:18 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I understand that the law/bill that went to court was very slopy in how it was writen. Most "experts" that I have seen discuss this via the major media seem to say that if a new bill is worded diferently that this shit will be ileagle again.

Lets hope so, anyway.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620089 - 04/27/02 03:04 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, didn't you ever look at cartoons in Hustler? This has always been legal - it's cartoons. There are no victims. Granted, they're not cartoons I am interested in.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620096 - 04/27/02 03:10 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Homosexuals don't necessarily abuse children. It's unfair to state that they would be interested in donig that.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620108 - 04/27/02 03:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

cool
so give us some of your favorite urls rail, we want in on the action too


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: ]
    #620122 - 04/27/02 03:51 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I've never read a Hustler.

Sexually exploiting children has never been legal in this country. When a little boy is kidnapped and photographed do you think there's a victim there? How about when that same little boy is photographed in a shopping center and the pedophile/homosexual uses a computer program to show himself having sex with the boy and it looks so real that you can't tell if it's real or not. If that boy sees a pictures of himself being molested on the internet is he a victim? How about if his friends or parents see him molested on the internet? These sick pedophiles put the childs face on another child's exploited body and get off to this crap and the supreme court say's it's ok. Who's the victim? The kids and the family are the victim.

Exploiting children is wrong and there is no such thing as ok virtual child molestation. There is no such thing as a virtual pregnancy, either you're pregnant or you're not but there's no virtual about it...


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620129 - 04/27/02 04:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Kiddie Porn Law is one of the few laws that the majority of Americans support by a large margin.

THANK GOD!

(we dont like our kids being raped!!)


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well gee hmmmmmm....... [Re: Jammer]
    #620218 - 04/27/02 08:11 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

"virtual" thats not real right
look I dont like it anymore than you but virtual is not real and what scares me is that the "kiddy porn" excuse might open the door to shuting down other sites like say a site about shrooms, and lets be sure whats "kiddy porn" I have pics of a girl in her underwear and shes 14 Im 20 am I a sicko no
she has a crush on me she is real cute and throwing the pictures out would just hurt her anyway , and hey I am not seeing her we are friends , and when she is older I would like to maybe go out with her but for now I wont

one other thing that I always have to say when people are talking about "kiddie porn" people alway say
"the children the children etc etc"
well if you care about kids so much why not fight for kids in your town to have clean water etc WHY?
because its soo easy to sit their bitching about pedos and saying how you would never let that happen blah blah blah
meanwhile you child is walking down the road(girl 12 years old) seeing tons of ads making her question her looks , breathing in toxic fumes from autos,smoking cigs , etc etc
there are soo many thing harming kids right out there in the open dont just sit there talking about pedos go help kids if you care the sad truth is many dont
they will say all this shit about child welfare and then hop in their SUV and roar past the playground

whats wrong with this picture thats right all talk no action and if action its so narrow , like protesting a pedos trial
wow holy shit I can feel a revolution oh wait its just some pointless shit not people organizing for real change

one last thing
kids and females in general would not be rapped or at least not as often if we had strong coumunitys a strip mall next to a townhouse complex doesnt cut it either


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620357 - 04/27/02 01:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The language of the thing was all vague. There
were lots of things that should be protected that
they could have been gotten rid of with all the
vague language in it, stuff like movies where
adult actors play people under the age of 18 who
have sex. And computer-created stuff, like with
computer graphics.

Personally, I don't go in for that stuff. When it
comes to kiddie porn, I want it real and I want
it hardcore.


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Re: well gee hmmmmmm....... [Re: Psilocybeing]
    #620359 - 04/27/02 01:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If the virtual porn uses pictures of real kids than that is definately wrong, and not constitutionally protected.

But a drawing, or ocmputer generated graphic is something else altogether. To say that this crap somehow fuels pedophiles is ridiculous. Maybe we should outlaw all porn because it incites rapists in general.

And a site like this incites druggies. I am kind of releived that even today, with so much public outrage over the ruling, protection of the first amendment is still upheld.

What about the pope's decision, saying pretty much "It's okay to molest kids as long as you don't make a habit out of it."


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620672 - 04/27/02 08:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

There was no victim in this case. They were not real images. I think that child pornography is disturbing. I'm all for capital punishment of child molesters (I would like to be an executioner). But a made up drawing on the computer or by hand has no victim. This is what the court based their decision on.

Exploiting children is wrong and there is no such thing as ok virtual child molestation.
If there is no child involved, there is no child molestation. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp? If Rail_Gun decides to create some pictures on his computer of him slicing his boss's throat and them disemboweling the corpse should Rail_Gun be charged with murder even though the act never took place?


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: ]
    #620682 - 04/27/02 08:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This virtual child pornography does have victims. Pedophiles/homosexuals are now taking photographs of children playing and in public places and doctor the pictures with computer programs to show the children naked or even being sexually abused, molested, and raped! These children are shown abused for the entertainment of homosexuals and child molestors. If you saw a picture of your son or daughter being molested or raped how would you feel? Would you think it's ok for someone to have pictures of your little one being raped and abused? These kids are real kids shown being sexually molested and the pictures look so real you can't even tell it's not a real picture. Pedophiles and homosexuals also use images of child pornography to show to innocent children to break down their resistance to being molested and these images are tools that enable child rapists to commit their crimes. This is not a crime witthout victims. The victims are the most innocent and helpless among us, the victims are our children and our families.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620742 - 04/27/02 10:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Rail Gun... why the fuck do you always groups child molestors and homosexuals?!


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620764 - 04/27/02 10:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

only a small minority of heterosexuals are rapists. only a small minority of homosexuals or pedophiles are child molestors. According to time, most child molestors are not pedophiles. i couldn't help but notice the red angry smiley icon you selected when you posted this thread. how can you be so angry about something you know so little about? jeez, you sound like a drug warrior, man.

peace and tolerance,
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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620833 - 04/28/02 12:40 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Well, it's nice we have the thought police hanging out in The Shroomery. Do not confuse fantasy with reality, lay of the hash pipe and shrooms for awhile.

Why don't you answer smack's question? Why do you always group pedophiles and homosexuals together? Is this a reflection of your suppressed sexual desires? I'm sure there are quite a few homosexuals who like strapping adult males such as yourself and it would never even occur to them to bother with children.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: ]
    #620852 - 04/28/02 01:12 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

If opposing child molestation is thought control than I'm the thought police... If supporting child molestation is shroomery policy and condoned by the admin I'de be surprised. I think it's shroomery policy to regulate thought and speech in some ways too...

>>>Why don't you answer smack's question? Why do you always group pedophiles and homosexuals together?

They are both deviant and perverted groups that seek to have their 'lifestyle choice' recognized as normal. Their agenda is basically the same- - to destroy the American Christian family and be accepted as normal and have their lifestyle taught in public school. Some of the homosexual groups have succesfully got homosexuality taught to 7th graders. I do not think 7th graders need graphic descriptions of anal sex. But pedophiles like the idea because it breaks down the kids resistance so that they can be more easilyt molested so they'll grow up homosexual. The homosexual and pedophile agenda is primarily the same only the pedophile group focuses mostly on kids. Homosexuals cruise for young men, pedophiles cruise looking for young boys. There isn't really much difference. And at work when we refer to homosexuals it makes them sound worse when we group them together with pedophiles and use terms such as 'pedophiles and homosexuals prey on our children' and increases donations and makes my bonus check bigger...

Take care


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #620996 - 04/28/02 03:55 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Other adults can consent to penises in
their bums. Children can't consent to
penises in their bums.
Isn't that the different?


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #621177 - 04/28/02 11:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You keep sidestepping the actual issue which the Supreme Court addressed. So I will ask the hypothetical question again to illustrate and attempt to get you to think:

If Rail_Gun decides to create some pictures on his computer of him slicing his boss's throat and them disemboweling the corpse should Rail_Gun be charged with murder even though the act never took place?

Now, if you answer 'yes' to the above question, you are consistent in your thinking. If you answer 'no' you are inconsistent by applying two different standards for the creation of illustrations based on the thoughts of the illustrator and the subject matter. Hence, the term 'thought police.'

The issue is really quite narrow and does not address actual child molestation or child pornography created with real victims. Other than prosecuting people for their imagination, you might be surprised that you and I probably don't differ much on our opinions about the people who create such garbage.

What really worries me about your thinking and that of most Demopublicans or Republocrats, is that you are all for new governmental powers always to be instituted for the highest and noblest goals (usually dealing with 'the children'). Problems invariably arise in that the powers are inevitably expanded to address other issues and further curtail our liberties in other areas.

An example, The War on Drugs. The nanny statists have decided that it is their duty to protect the American citizens from perceived immorality of drug abuse. Of course, in so arguing their points, they bring up the cases of derelict parents and hypes robbing liquor stores to support their habit. They never bring up the majority of peaceful people who just use drugs for simple recreation or psychological self exploration. Nor do they make the distinction that there are and have been a great number of people throughout history who have been derelict parents or robbers and never did any drugs (but maybe some alcohol).

Now a few years back, I think it was with SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Bill Bennet, your people came up with the idea of 'zero tolerance.' Part of this wonderful mishmash of authoritarian ideas was a concept known as 'asset forfeiture' which allowed the government to take property from accused drug dealers without trial or proof of guilt. This was said to be designed to put 'drug kingpins' out of business. This was put in place with typical legal arbitrariness by simply terming the asset forfeiture a civil action instead of criminal (totally disregarding the letter and spirit of the constitution).

Fast forward a few years. Recreational drug users are having their cars and homes stolen under color of authority by your police state operatives. Children are being trained in government schools to accept the concept of being presumed guilty and having their bodies monitored with drug tests. Farmers and other property owners are having their greatest economic asset, their land, taken from them under asset forfeiture rules because of some alleged violation of the endangered species act. Legal defense counsels are having their bank accounts frozen if they agree to defend someone accused of a crime, because some of their money may have originated from the alleged illegal activity of their client. None of these requires any criminal prosecution, burden of proof is now placed on the victims of government theft instead of their accusers.

If the government gets their way with prosecuting someone for an illustration where no actual humans were harmed, do you really think they are going to refrain from expanding this power to anything else? What will be next, arresting second amendment supporters for drawing pictures of armed resistance to tyranny? Will they arrest pro-life activists for publishing pamphlets illustrating acts of civil disobedience?

Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.




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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #621183 - 04/28/02 11:50 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You're a moron if you think homosexuals are even remotely related to pedophilia.
I fucking hate bigots like you who cant see homosexuality as merely an alternative sexuality, and try and preach it as if it were sin. (Yeah fuck what the bible says)
I'm sure there are homosexual child molesters but I'll bet you anything alot fucking more of them are straight, due to the fact homosexuals have been abused themselves forever by fuckhead bigots like yourself, and would probably have much more compassion for a life than someone who got molested as a child and continued a cycle. And dont give me shit about people being homosexual because they got molested, either. Fucking ignorant bigot.


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Re: Supreme Court Legalized Child Porn. [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #621206 - 04/28/02 12:21 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

You people are funny, im glad we have someone like yourself to keep things amusing here at the shroomery
This stuff is priceless:
Their agenda is basically the same- - to destroy the American Christian family

I do not think 7th graders need graphic descriptions of anal sex. (thats was the best part of sex ed)

it breaks down the kids resistance so that they can be more easily molested so they'll grow up homosexuals

Now back to the matter at hand. Why hasen't this thread been flooded with some good leagle virtual kiddie lust? I mean come on, truthfully isn't that why we all opened this thread?


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