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OfflineLearyfan
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How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal?
    #1367622 - 03/12/03 02:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What is the governments justification for keeping prostitution and sodomy illegal? What is that besides legislated morality?

I know there isn't a law about sodomy in every state, but really, why would any state have a law against that?

How can prostitution be illegal? As George Carlin said: "Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?

How can this blatant non-separation of church and state still be tolerated?



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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1367628 - 03/12/03 03:02 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How can they be illegal? Because some prudish idiots thought they should be.

Your subject was easy. The next part of your post.... "What is the governments justification for keeping prostitution and sodomy illegal? What is that besides legislated morality? ".... is tougher. There is no good justification for any act between consenting adults being made, or kept, illegal.

This however.... "How can this blatant non-separation of church and state still be tolerated?".... is just plain wrong. You don't have to be religous to have morals. Many people (IMO) believe these acts to be immoral. I disagree but I don't make the laws.



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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1367698 - 03/12/03 03:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I think those morals come from Christian ideology.



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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1367709 - 03/12/03 03:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a twist:
In the UK sodomy is legal between men, but not between a man and a woman.

Also, I think the Scotish devolved government is thinking of allowing prostitution in designated areas in scotish cities. Don't know if that's still going ahead, or if any of the other devolved assemblies are thinking of it.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1367905 - 03/12/03 05:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thou Shalt Not Kill also came from religious ideology.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1367992 - 03/12/03 05:53 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Prositution and sodomy are non-violent acts



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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1368002 - 03/12/03 05:57 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

No I agree with you 100% that they should both be legal. I was pointing out that a lot of what we live by comes from religion. The use of mushrooms stems from religious use for that matter.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1368037 - 03/12/03 06:21 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Prositution and sodomy are non-violent acts



Not a very good subject to debate. I think we all can agree that the illegalization of these two acts are similar to the WOD....in a sense.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1368084 - 03/12/03 06:46 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Well this time i'm not really trying to start a debate. I'm asking "how in the hell could it possibly be that these things are still illegal".

What in the world is their justification for making these things illegal? What could it possibly be besides "my God says it's wrong"?







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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1368087 - 03/12/03 06:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I'm asking "how in the hell could it possibly be that these things are still illegal".



For the same reason as a lot of other things, not enough care.

Quote:

What could it possibly be besides "my God says it's wrong"?



While you and I seem to agree, many people think those are just wrong, some for religous reasons, some because they don't care for those acts, some because of prudish parents. Many reasons, not all religous based.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1368189 - 03/12/03 07:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

How does a government enforce the law regarding sodomy? Do they have like an alert system? "Warning! Warning! Rear entry is about to be breached at 27 Finch Ave."


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1368232 - 03/12/03 07:49 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1368278 - 03/12/03 08:04 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Could you imagine going to jail for having consensual butt sex?



The punishment will be non-consensual butt sex.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1368308 - 03/12/03 08:14 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Actually, in some states even oral sex is considered sodomy.

http://www.sodomylaws.org/

(There really is a web site for everything!)


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1368418 - 03/12/03 08:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #1368493 - 03/12/03 09:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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By definition that's wrong.




Is that right?

Main Entry: sod?omy
Pronunciation: 's?-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Gen 19:1-11
Date: 13th century
1 : copulation with a member of the same sex or with an animal
2 : noncoital and especially anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex
- sod?om?it?ic /"s?-d&-'mi-tik/ or sod?om?it?i?cal /-ti-k&l/ adjective

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sod?om?y
(click to hear the word) (sd-m)
n.
Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.

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sodomy
noun [U]
FORMAL OR LAW
the sexual act of putting the penis into a man's or woman's anus

(American law) Sodomy can also be the sexual act of fellatio putting the penis into a person's mouth.

sodomize, British and Australian usually -ise
verb [T]

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sodomy
noun [U]
the sexual act of putting the penis into the anus or mouth of another person


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1368909 - 03/12/03 11:43 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

If you're a fan of democracy anything can be legal or illegal.

Next question.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1368975 - 03/12/03 12:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

LMAO! If I have anal sex where I live I can get 20 years in prison. 5 years/$100-$1000 fine for oral sex. Ridiculous.


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: psilo25]
    #1369000 - 03/12/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I wonder when the last time anyone got charged with sodomy was..


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Re: How can prostitution and sodomy be illegal? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1369069 - 03/12/03 12:28 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Its getting worse too..

In LA County they just passed a law where they will seize a persons car for prostitution. They play it on the news all the time now about how many guys are picked up durring stings and the kinda cars they keep for it.

One night they showed a line of 20 cars that was worth about a half million dollars seized in prostitution stings on johns so far.. their was a real nice Cobra GT to be auctioned off..


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