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Offlinewingnutx
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Politics of Porn
    #1859829 - 08/28/03 06:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Politics of Porn
Justice Department Launches Long-Anticipated War on Obscenity

By Jake Tapper


Aug. 28
? Rob Zicari and his fianc?e, Janet Romano, are facing the first major federal prosecution for obscenity in more than a decade. They face 10 counts relating to the production and distribution by mail of obscene materials, and each could get 50 years in prison and a fine of up to $2.5 million.

"We're facing more time than the guy that they just arrested that was trying to sell the surface-to-air missile," said Zicari.

On April 8, law enforcement seized five movies produced by Zicari's California-based company, Extreme Associates, which bills itself as "The Hardest Hard Core on the Web."

One of the confiscated movies, Forced Entry, features three graphic scenes of women being spat upon, raped and murdered. Extreme Teens #24 has adult women dressed up and acting like little girls in various hard-core pornographic scenes. We can't even tell you the title of one of the films.

?There?s Nothing Wrong With What We Do?

Most Americans would probably find the content of the films disgusting. Zicari doesn't disagree ? but he says to each his own.

"There's nothing wrong with what we do," said Zicari. "[W]e're not drug dealers or murderers, you know. We make movies. That's it."

But for the Bush administration, that's enough.

"Obscenities have always been a priority of the attorney general," said Mary Beth Buchanan, U.S. attorney for western Pennsylvania. "[A]nd he has asked each U.S. attorney to make that our priority as well."

Buchanan is the lead prosecutor on the case against Zacari. So jurors in Pittsburgh will have to decide if Zicari's movies fit the legal definition of obscenity.

"The material depicted in the videotapes produced by Extreme Associates is extremely vile, degrading and extremely offensive to women," Buchanan said.

The nature of Extreme Associates' movies makes it an ideal target for Attorney General John Ashcroft's Justice Department's opening salvo in its long-anticipated war on obscenity.

Ashcroft had planned on launching the anti-obscenity initiative back in 2001, but was sidetracked by the 9/11 terror attacks. Now the issue is once again a priority for the Justice Department.

"I can tell you that as long as I'm chief of the section, the section will work very hard to prosecute obscenity cases along with child pornography, another important focus for us," said Andrew Oosterbaan, chief of the Justice Department's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section.

"This is about a priority for the country. This is something the country wants prosecuted and therefore we're prosecuting it."

Hard to Watch = Difficult to Defend

The Justice Department has chosen its target wisely. Zicari's films are difficult to watch ? which may make them difficult to defend.

To meet the legal definition of obscenity, a film has to depict sex in an offensive and prurient fashion with no artistic value. It is this subjectivity that worries some in the industry.

Paul Fishbein, president of Adult Video News, a trade journal for the adult entertainment industry, is well aware of the conflict presented by the films of Extreme Associates. "They're horrible, unwatchable, disgusting, aberrant movies that I'd have to vote were not obscenity because the First Amendment is pure and has to remain pure," he said.

"The funny thing about my business is I don't force it on anybody," said Zicari. "The only people that are going to be forced to watch my movies are the 12 people that sit on that jury."

The Bush administration says that overall, adult films today are far more offensive than ever before. It places much of the blame with the Clinton administration for, it claims, not making obscenity prosecutions a priority.

People inside the multibillion-dollar porn industry say community standards have become more accepting in recent years, pointing to the success of Boogie Nights, a drama about 1970s adult filmmakers, several years ago.

Pleasing the Christian Right

Many anti-obscenity activists are members of the Christian right, a group that generally admires Ashcroft and is a key constituency in President Bush's re-election campaign.

Zicari vows that he'll fight this to the end. But it's unlikely that his prosecution will be the last.

"The current prosecution of Extreme Associates should put the pornography industry on notice that the U.S. Department of Justice is vigorously enforcing the federal obscenity laws," said Buchanan.

Zicari and Romano were arraigned Wednesday in Pittsburgh. Both pleaded not guilty.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/US/porno030828.html


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1859896 - 08/28/03 06:57 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"The material depicted in the videotapes produced by Extreme Associates is extremely vile, degrading and extremely offensive to women," Buchanan said.

Wow the women wchose to be in film. When will people treat women as equals. Since when can you go to jail for 50 years just beause you make women look bad.

But snuff... now thats just fucked up


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: d33p]
    #1859930 - 08/28/03 07:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"The funny thing about my business is I don't force it on anybody," said Zicari. "The only people that are going to be forced to watch my movies are the 12 people that sit on that jury."

Now that's ironic.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1859944 - 08/28/03 07:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

John Ashcroft needs to be raped by Janet Reno with a strap on.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1860048 - 08/28/03 07:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I feel much safer that they're putting real criminals behind bars.

I think that everyone here can agree that:

1. No one is forcing these women to be in these films.
2. Some of these women might actually get off on this kind of thing and not see it as degrading.
3. No one is being forced to watch these movies (besides the jury).


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: monoamine]
    #1860075 - 08/28/03 07:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I read about a case in California last month where the jury was hung because they couldn't make it through an entire film.

I felt sorry for the old grandma on the jury that had to sit through 90 minutes of Max Hardcore shennanigans.

At least that was a state case. I don't approve of prosecuting porn makers, but I can sort of buy a 'local standards' argument. This one is federal, so you don't even get that.

There's a pretty good fight over this on freerepublic :smile:


Edited by wingnutx (08/28/03 07:55 PM)


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1860112 - 08/28/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think "local standards" are bullshit.The constitution is the highest law of the land and like the guy in the article said,it has to be totally pure.What's obsene and what's not is too damn subjective. Many hardcore porn makers see there process of filming and camera angles as an art.Even if you don't agree, I don't see how obscenity laws can be carried out in any kind of objective way.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: monoamine]
    #1862264 - 08/29/03 11:26 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I thought we were past this whole obscenity thing. :rolleyes:


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: shakta]
    #1862331 - 08/29/03 12:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

shakta said:
I thought we were past this whole obscenity thing. :rolleyes: 




Exactly. What the FUCK?

If he's selling snuff or kiddie porn he should be hung from his balls, but if it's just a film that Ashcroft doesn't deem "artistic" then Ashcroft should be hung from his balls for trying this bullshit(and for everything else he does).

The Bush administration keep on easing us out of democracy.


 


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: Learyfan]
    #1862349 - 08/29/03 12:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think the President needs to pull Ashcroft in a bit. This might be a good thing actually. They government will lose like they always do in these cases, and that will be the end of it.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: shakta]
    #1862880 - 08/29/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

ahhhh, man!

Extreme Teen is the shit!

psychological studies have found no valid correlation between porn availability and rape rates.

A lot of women complain about porn and strip clubs, but I'm willing to put money on the prediction that getting rid of smut would drastically increase the rape rates, as men would have no outlet to "let off steam"

just my opinion


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1862895 - 08/29/03 03:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If that's true, then how come there was no rape before the invention of the camera? Huh, smart guy?

:laugh:



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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1862906 - 08/29/03 03:46 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

There have always been sheep.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1862911 - 08/29/03 03:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

according to the bible* , rape started when Satan came to earth and created evil substances like marijuana and mushrooms :smile:







* (not really)


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: wingnutx]
    #1863480 - 08/29/03 07:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"I can tell you that as long as I'm chief of the section, the
section will work very hard to prosecute obscenity cases
along with child pornography..."

that's an underhanded way to try to lump *obscene* porn
in with the likes of child porn.

pfft.

in a case like this where the actors and the customers are
willing parties, that's like saying:

"the section will work very hard to prosecute jay walking
cases along with terrorism..."

a vain attempt at villifying one offense by associating it
with a much more vile one.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: afoaf]
    #1863488 - 08/29/03 07:29 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. Ashcroft is a jackass.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: shakta]
    #1863489 - 08/29/03 07:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:heartpump: I feel the love - we can all agree on something.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: Autonomous]
    #1863499 - 08/29/03 07:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Hehehehe.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1865066 - 08/30/03 06:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

psychological studies have found no valid correlation between porn availability and rape rates.

A lot of women complain about porn and strip clubs, but I'm willing to put money on the prediction that getting rid of smut would drastically increase the rape rates, as men would have no outlet to "let off steam"





I hate it when people say that porn objectifies women and makes men more violent towards them. I and every other man I know that watches porn doesn't abuse women or anything of the sort.Guys (and women) are sexual by nature. I've never thought "hey,I hate women,I would like to beat or rape one" after I watch a porno.
Like you said,people that make this claim never have any hard evidence to back it up.


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Re: Politics of Porn [Re: monoamine]
    #1865281 - 08/30/03 11:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Exactly!
Especially since rape has absolutely nothing to do with sex itself and has to do with power OVER someone in the most vulnerable situation possible.

Let's not forget that some women also view porn (while it is a minority of voices that will admit it) and actually enjoy it. In fact, according to THE HITE REPORT (I believe this was the book, circa 1977) it showed that women were just as likely as men to "sneak a peek" when porn was involved. Granted, most of the women state that they watched it because of (1) curiousity and (2) they wanted to know what turned men on, But I beg to differ! I believe it is watched (this is certainly why I do) because it is actually a turn-on, not because I think I can glean any techniques in order to satisfy a man or woman.

What is interesting too is that the same book offered a glimpse into the fantasies of real, everyday women and I would say alot (undefinable number but higher than lower) of women confessed to endulging in fantasies of rape or role-paly of the same. This reveals an incredible dichotomy of power and sex that most women are afraid to confront.

Anyway, completely off subject but valid nonetheless.


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Edited by Clover (08/30/03 11:26 AM)


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