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Offlinemidas
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rye spawn mistake advice?
    #664702 - 06/05/02 07:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I recently tried an improvised rye spawn jar.
after six days at 80 degrees in the dark no apparent growth. i could shake the jar but the substrate was clumbed into big pieces it looks contaminated but could just be the uneven distribution of water as most all of the jar looks dry except on the sides and some on the bottom making a discoloring of substrate to appear darker might not be contamed. but after no apparent growth i assume it was contamed. so i just open the jar up in the middle of my dirty kitchen to see what faild when to my suprise a huge dense growth of myc. in the middle of the jar whher it was hidden from view when the lid was on. i freaked out and screwed the lid back on thinking if it wasn't contamed before it is now. about to shoot myself in the foot i figured it would be to dry in there to provide for the colonization of the whole jar anyway even if i haddent opened it. figuring it to fail soon anyway i decided to add some minereal water to it just in case it does survive. so i once again without any preperation open the jar and dump about 75 ccs of water to it and closed the lid and shook it really good. i still can't see and white growth from the sides of the jar but the discoloration seems to be even and probably was just the wetter stuff looking darker and not contams.
but what should i do? should i wait and see what happens?
should i try to spawn another jar with the clump of growth (probably about a 1/4 cup in size)?
if i do try to spawn another jar withit shold i use some verm to loosen the mix becuase it is very dens , esp. for myc. or would this defeat the purpose of trying spawn to begin with?
should i not risk future contams and just case the clump and have a mini pan going for fun?
or is the whole thing ruined now?
could my setup have ever worked in the first place?
thanks for any advice.

what i improvised with:
i used 200 g of a rye craker from the health food section of walmart its ingredients are whole grain rye flour, wheat bran, sesame seeds, wheat germ, wheat fiber, salt. i ground up the chrackers and added aprox 150cc mineral waterin a pint jar and pc for 1 1/2 hrs with masking tape over a small hole like in BRF lids w? the lid upside down on the jar. cooled inoc w/3cc s EC by first swabing some 91% iso alcoholover the tape covering the whole and pressed flame sterlized needle through tape and injected the 3cc's immediatly covering the whole left from the needle with more masking tape to seal the jar.


Edited by midas (06/05/02 07:14 PM)


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Re: rye spawn mistake advice? [Re: midas]
    #664753 - 06/05/02 07:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I am told that when using rye berries, you ought to use a 1:1 ratio of dry rye berries to water. In a quart jar, 1 cup of each works very well. Some teks call for more or less, but 1:1 seems to hydrate the berries well without making them burst.
If you're working with rye, I assume you are using filter discs. If not, look into it at Micron Magick Mycology Market.

Not to make this sound like a flame, but what I think you're lacking is patience. My friend made the a similar mistake when he started, and lost his whole first batch. A good basic rule is to NEVER open the jar unless you plan on discarding the contents (or it's totally colonized and ready to case). Wait at least 2 weeks for growth before suspecting contamination.

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Re: rye spawn mistake advice? [Re: midas]
    #665532 - 06/06/02 08:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think your problem lays in the tek not contams. Problems in the tek=contams. I would recommend soaking you rye grain over night in a bucket with water. Take the grain out rinse off and load your jars, make sure you let the grain drain well before adding to jars. I think this will solve your problems because my fireants have only got this tek to work for them.


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Re: rye spawn mistake advice? [Re: midas]
    #25081441 - 03/22/18 04:55 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Your mistake was using crackers. That is not a rye tek. Whole rye berries are involved in a rye tek, not just something that happens to have rye in it in some form. Have you ever READ a rye tek or did you just hear rye plus spores = shrooms? Clearly you didn't even bother to do even one second of research of any kind and what you've described is just mind numbing, face palming, what the fuckeringly type of ignorant shit only a self assured know it all (read: complete moron) would jump to doing because his lazy ass didnt read how, didnt want to invest the time and or just likes to cut corners. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for experiments, but this attempt (if it can be called an attempt for the apparent lack of effort) at rye spawn is just lazy. Secondly, just because its in whatever you consider the health food section, doesn't mean its healthy for mushrooms. It means it healthy for people. Prepared foods, breads, crakers and the like are loaded with preservatives and chemicals meant to inhibit (prevent, slow or stall) molds, bacterium and fungi from forming on the foods so that they will stay "fresh" and can be enjoyed whenever the consumer chooses. I implore you to start at the introduction page about growing mushrooms and READ every single word. Do it as many times as it takes to fully comprehend the words then dona search for a rye tek by searching through the mushroom cultivation forums. I have decided not to post a link to one because of my aforementioned perception of your laziness. If you want it, earn it. In closing, there are no words that could adequately describe your actions leading up to and including the use of  crushed crackers and it is because of this inability for me to comprehend the imbecility of what you did that I rambled on while trying to put a definitive adjective to it. All I can say is Mistake is not it.  Good luck and for evolution's sake, DONT BREED.


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Re: rye spawn mistake advice? [Re: PsiloSci]
    #25081452 - 03/22/18 05:01 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

No need to be mean about it but yeah this is extremely silly OP. You need to start over and do things properly.

Did you even sterilize the crackers?

Can we see pictures? Since none of us have ever done anything with rye crackers we really have no perspective here. We need to see what the jar looks like.

Rye crackers hmmm? Not quite the same as rye berries. What gave you the idea?


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Re: rye spawn mistake advice? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25081457 - 03/22/18 05:07 AM (2 months, 2 days ago)

Oh fuck this thread is 15 years old. Jesus.


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