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~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~
    #572873 - 03/07/02 10:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, I now feel my rye kernals tek. is perfect up to the point that I have fully colonized pint jars in 9 days and fully colonized quart jars in 12 days. I'm casing fully colonized jars with verm. only at the moment and birthing after 40-60% colonization of casing layer into a perlite humidified terrarium. I usually make my casing layers (top and bottom) 1/2 to 1 inch. I have a few questions:

1. My first casing gave me many but very small shrooms. The biggest was maybe an inch and 1/4of a inch MATURE cap diameter. What am I doing wrong? Could it be improper conditions like casing layer and substrate depths or humidity, or, could it just be the strains genetics or the fact that it was a first flush. Anyhow, I feel this was very weak to what I was used to on PF Style cakes and BRF+Verm casings.
2. My substrate layer is usually only one kernal deep. Should I improve this?
3. Is there any big deal about totally skipping the bottom casing layer?
4. I was thinking of casing straight into the rubbermaid containers. I would understand that this would take perhaps twice the amount of substrate and casing layers as casing into a continer that I store in the rubbermaid but am I safe to say my yeilds would be twice as big? I'm guessing that the size rubbermaids I am using would use anywhere inbetween two quarts for a substrate layer of one casing deep and one quart and one pint for a slightly thicker (at points) substrate layer:

a. Good or bad idea?
b. What kind of yeilds could I expect?

Thank-you for anybody who could help me out on my journey.


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: phrozendata]
    #572894 - 03/07/02 10:29 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

my friend was thinking of doing the same thing, but he ran into the problem of what he would do for humidity and if he took up spraying, how would he prevent that running water that would collect in the bottom and underneath the spawned material from becoming contaimenated? as far as the shrooms go, were they lipa yai by any chance? he also had the same thing happen with that fruit, but it was still potent, even for its size.


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: MickyFinn]
    #572901 - 03/07/02 10:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm hoping the casing will suck up the water. I doubt i'll have to mist often because the casing will take care of its self (humidity wise). I'll probably spray it once when birthed and inbetween flushes but those will be directly onto the layer. The problem I feel with spraying is that droplets landing on the shrooms will make them abhort. Anyways, the strain was GC and I guess I see now what 3MShroom said about "many little shrooms" but these were VERY LITTLE. It dried out to a little over 2G dry (from one pint casing) and I didn't bother to let it have a second flush.

Oh well, i've got time to learn.


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: phrozendata]
    #572919 - 03/07/02 10:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like a plan, i might try to convince my friend to do this with some slight mods, it will probably be some time though before he attempts this, so if you do it, keep a log please with pix if possible?


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: MickyFinn]
    #572926 - 03/07/02 11:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

No problem. I will defently keep a log as I usually take notes on all my grows (I like to know what worked best), but, the only access I have to a digital camera is asking nicely to borrow one so I doubt I can get enough pictues to throughlly document it but I will defently try and get a few. For now, I have too many damn PF cakes to worry about getting to fruit that I might have to get rid of some bastards. I'm thinking of getting totally away from flour mixes and verm all together (as a substrate and casing mix). I'll be trying some work with 50/50+ (jiffy mix) etc. etc. and maybe coir and some dung based composts, that is, if I have time. That should keep me busy untill summer.


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: phrozendata]
    #573002 - 03/08/02 12:19 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: phrozendata]
    #573030 - 03/08/02 12:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>2. My substrate layer is usually only one kernal deep. Should I improve this?

your substrate needs to be 2'' deep..

you dont need the bottom casing layer...its just adds another place that can be contaminated...from a 2'' substrate layer use a 1'' verm casing layer...if you want a casing layer that i think produces better flushes then verm try 50/50...this should increase your fruit sizes of any strain.



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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: phrozendata]
    #573047 - 03/08/02 01:03 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

you might as well use wheat straw for your bin...youll get some monsters...


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: 40oz]
    #573283 - 03/08/02 10:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Are you sure 2" isnt a little too big. The container size would have to be seriously reduced and I would loose a lot of surface area for pinning. Also, do I let straw colonize 100% or just like a casing?


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: phrozendata]
    #573312 - 03/06/02 07:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

are you serious? your substrate depth is ONE KERNEL?!?!? the thicker your substarte the bigger your shrooms will be; and generally get more flushes. ive never heard of anyone using a substrate that small; except a few months back i read someone cultivationg psi. cyanescens and use a very thin substrate layer successfully; dunno about successive flushes but they were small (under 2 inches). pile up your base and the shrooms will stand tall!!!
where did you hear to use only that amount of substrate? ive never seen this advised ANYWHERE....


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #4380947 - 07/07/05 08:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It cant be one kernel... that has to be a typo or something. One kernel is about | <----------- that big. You aren't seriously trying to do that are you?

On another note, my friend has the same problem. His rye never fruits well. It colonizes a quart jar in 10 days, then the casing in 5 then it puts out an assload of tiny ass shrooms that don't work. I think it must be hidden contams somewhere in there.... there's got to be some sort of contam problem for shit to just not fruit. Are you doing one step rye cooking or two step cooking? The soak/simmer seems to be the preferable way of doing it.


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Re: ~@ 1st try with rye kernals: mistake or strain? @~ [Re: lemunhed]
    #4380972 - 07/07/05 08:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

lemunhed, you realize this is a 3 year old thread, right? These people don't post anymore. Check dates before bumping ancient stuff please. Thanks


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