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Offlinegonnadoit
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bottom verm layer with rye grain?
    #882290 - 09/13/02 10:52 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

Do you have to put a bottom layer of moist verm on the bottom when you are using rye grain as a substrate? Well I know you don't have to but is it okay?


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OfflineLSAuser
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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882302 - 09/13/02 10:56 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

not sure, but I have questions myself, can cotton be used instead?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882303 - 09/13/02 10:56 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

Personally, I think it's a waste and that it robs you of space that could be filled with a nutritive substrate.  I'm sure others will disagree.. :smile: 


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Offlinegonnadoit
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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882309 - 09/13/02 11:00 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

I always pressure cook my casing materials and I don't think I would PC cotton why use cotton when you can use verm? Do you have a lot of it or somethin'? So you think its a waste of time huh, dosen't it provide lots of benefical moisture to the substrate?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882311 - 09/13/02 11:01 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

In reply to:

dosen't it provide lots of benefical moisture to the substrate?



This is what the top layer is for. I've tried both and could find no advantages with a bottom layer.


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Offlinegonnadoit
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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882318 - 09/13/02 11:05 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

That would be so cool not to have to use it. It would save me so much time, and work, and money. Do you put anything on the bottom? I grew some shitake mushrooms not too long ago with the verm bottom, and it went great.


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882328 - 09/13/02 11:11 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

My trays consist of the substrate with 50/50+ on top. Nothing else.

Good luck!


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OfflineLSAuser
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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: gonnadoit]
    #882336 - 09/13/02 11:15 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

why cook cotton? it comes from a bag sterile since its used for swabbing your ears or flesh wounds.

heres what I could use.



Lid
OO-------------OO
OO OO
O airtight inside O
O O <-------------46 ounce jar
O O
O 3oz. cup O
O \ / O
O \_____/ O
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



then in the cup, I could fill 10% of the top and bottom with cotton
and the rest of it with pressure cooked rice, let it cook then inject
spores into the rice. will that do?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: LSAuser]
    #882340 - 09/13/02 11:17 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

the marquee didnt alight correctly but screw that, you get the idea. Id like to use the avail. materials I have now and start growing some, I can always grow more when I buy the required materials.


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: LSAuser]
    #882341 - 09/13/02 11:17 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

And what would the point in all that be exactly?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: LSAuser]
    #882350 - 09/13/02 11:21 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

Cotton absorbs way too much water in my opinion and will lead to rot.  Additionally, have you ever seen a wet cotton ball?  It's quite compressed.  Having soaking cotton balls in the bottom of a tray would probably create pretty nasty anaerobic conditions and would probably overhydrate the substrate too.  Don't use cotton.  OK???  :smile: 


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #882363 - 09/13/02 11:27 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

point taken. what about topsoil mixed with green grass?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: LSAuser]
    #882366 - 09/13/02 11:28 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

Stick to a TEK bro!  For your own safety!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: 


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #882369 - 09/13/02 11:30 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

what kind of TEK?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: LSAuser]
    #882378 - 09/13/02 11:33 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

For you, I recommend the PF Tek.


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #882384 - 09/13/02 11:39 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

1. Measuring cups and spoons---everyone has those.
2. Large pot for steaming------I have three pressure cookers.
3. Shoulderless half-pint jars with lids (Kerr or Ball)-------yes but wrong size.
4. Organic brown rice flour (organic food stores)--------probably not, but got white rice and other grains.
5. Horticultural vermiculite (medium or fine grade - not powdery)-----can topsoil be susbsituted?
6. Distilled or filtered drinking water---groundwater is as pure.
7. Heavy duty tin foil------got that.
8. Heavy duty (professional grade) masking tape-----got packaging tape.
9. Ice pick (for punching needle holes in the culture jar lid)---got something like that.

Mushroom growing (Stage two) Pet shop - Hardware store
1. 10 gallon aquarium-----in use by a fish! can a shallow container be substituted?
2. Cut piece of transparent plastic (Plexiglas) - (terrarium chamber partition)----can use bottles for that?
3. Strips of wood with connectors and screws (terrarium lid)----got that.
4. Plastic film and thumb tacks (terrarium lid)----got that
5. Small wall type thermometer------dont need.
6. "All purpose" water spray bottle with an adjustable nozzle---got it
7. Wire screen - plastic containers - plastic bags - (drying mushrooms)--got that
8. DESICCANT (drying mushrooms) (scientific - chemical - lab supply) ---can I use a fan or let em air dry?


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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: LSAuser]
    #882396 - 09/13/02 11:49 PM (20 years, 20 days ago)

If there are 12 year old kids out there doing it without problems, why all the questions? There are some things you just need to figure out by trial and error.

Peace


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[Re: mickey_rourke]
    #882420 - 09/14/02 12:02 AM (20 years, 20 days ago)



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Re: bottom verm layer with rye grain? [Re: matts]
    #882473 - 09/14/02 12:31 AM (20 years, 20 days ago)

How about the Cultivation FAQ? It has 3 sections on the PF tek alone....


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