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I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time..
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Before I would think about Karma as, if someone does something bad to me than they will get something bad back for doing it. If I do something good, then karma will reward me for it. Well, that may or may not be true, but it is more like this:
Karma is your luck. It doesnt change overall untill your death when everything you have done will be 'wieghed out'.
I used to think "people who do something bad to me are going to get it back" well, im starting to see "people who do something bad to me, already have had something bad done to them." And theyre not just going to get bad because what they did to me, theyre going to always get the same bad because thats their karma.
People have been dealt bad cards in life. They have been dealt that for their past life evils.
this is just a hypothesis, except for the part that people who do bad, have had bad done to them in the past. that i have living proof of all around me.


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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I don't quite see it that way. I have seen plenty of karma play out within a person's lifetime, and sometimes instantaneously. But I do think it's a mistake to think that act X will earn you Y karma. It's not so much of a tit-for-tat system. It's more about the energy you give off. If you're a positive person and give off positive vibes, you will attract positive energy in your life. And likewise for negative energy. At least, that's been my experience.


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Silversoul]
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it also has something to do with spiritual guardians I think

it seems to me that if you're a realatively decent person (good karma and all) and someone fucks you over royaly - the powers that be (people inbetween lives that are watching over you at that particular point in time) will go out og their way to influence those that have fucked you over

par exampla: I had a roommate that stole a gun from me and sold it off for drugs...not too long after that he disformed the shit outta his face fucking around with pool acid/aluminum bombs

I take that as someone looking after me that influenced how quick that shit blew up in his face, thereby making him even more of a quasimoto then me...as a 'payback' for the wrong doing he brought on me














but then again - I have an askew way of looking at things :shrugs:


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Muppet]
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not to say I don't also agree with you about how your life's influences in the grand scheme of things determines lives to come (cause I totally agree with that shit as well) I just happen to think it works both ways...to some extent anyhow


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Silversoul]
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Yes, i agree. I think anytime Karma is perceived as a force that explains some seeming inequity in the world, it's probably a delusion.
Karma is perhaps more like the direction of being, a direction determined by causality, as everything in the Universe is. Cards are dealt, some hands better than others. Rocks fall. Stars collapse. All these things happen as a result of certain conditions. But I don't think anything suggests that those conditions are somehow manipulated or balanced by some ultimate system of justice. What, aside from a desire to explain the inexplicable, would lead you to think that a person born with a disease was born that way because of "past life evils"?

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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Viveka]
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I don't know much, but I think it's important that when you recieve bad karma, break the cycle. Don't spread it. Karma comes back because what goes around comes around. Recieve it and kill it. Or spread the good stuff. I could do this as a child, but the onslaught has worn me out. Trying is key, though.


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Viveka]
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Coming from a Buddhist perspective karma is like a seed. With each action you plant a seed. Eventually these seeds will turn into fruits. If the seed is charged with positive energy it will bear fruits of the same nature.

It is generally seen that the motivation behind the action is what "charges" the fruit

BTW the name for these so called fruits is vipāka.


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Here I sit my mind reposed.
Pond'ring what i do not know.

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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Viveka]
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it's not so much the reason the person themselves have those problems (be they disease, ratrdation, whatever) but rather, the reason the soul that's occupying that particular vessel has been chosen to have whatever misfortune they possess

people who are arrogant are drawn to a new life where they will likely be humbled
people who were ruthless towards any one particular group or another will be drawn towards a life of that grouping
people who were rich will be drawn towards a life of poverty

the lives themselves are all just empty vessles that get temporarily used by souls that are needing to 'learn' whatever lessons that particular life has to offer

it's all about finding a balance in all things mang  :cool:


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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is it possible not to misunderstand karma? i know i'll never fully understand it, at least not in this lifetime.

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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: Muppet]
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Muppet said:
the lives themselves are all just empty vessles that get temporarily used by souls that are needing to 'learn' whatever lessons that particular life has to offer




There has been a contention with this argument in not viewing our bodies necessarily as vessel borrowed by a 'soul'. That the body that was propograted naturally in this universe as a life form common to all other known life forms. The life also progrograted its consiousness through experience and mental awarness. The soul or 'self' essentially does not exist, even our mere physical appearence is faximille of our perceptive senses. We exist as a temporal in the higher demension and aren't nothing more than a energetic wave or vibration in a cosmic ocean

Karma is merely caue n effect, or evolving energy through time and space. Energy is the raw ingridient of motion, motion that creates and deversifies continously, in any shape way or form, on any plane of existence, this means thoughts and beliefs also shape our demensions, these thoughts and beliefs can create a world in which karma can be viewed more subjectively, this basically goes back to the argument, does man inheriently possess a moral responsibility as being a causation of the universe.

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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: capliberty]
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karma is an easily abused subtle concept:
when a child is born diseased or crippled, people erroneously say that it is karma. (either his or his parents or both)

this is not karma, it is challenging phenomena. karma is not for explaining history and the inequality of birth, but to help understand motivation and to explain some aspects of pleasure and suffering. (a diseased child may suffer much less than supposed or an undiseased one may suffer much more)

karma is very basic, and internal - it is a hardwired part of the ego support system like associative memory:
any mind moment will have one of the 3 feelings - pleasure pain or indifference.
these are resultant karma.

any mind moment may be accompanied by positive or negative roots
compasion, generosity or wisdom or the opposites:
hatred, greed and delusion.

from negative roots come pain,
from positive roots come pleasure.
from no roots comes indifference.

anything else than that is not karma.
karma is always the connection from root to feeling.
and feeling is only one of the 3 types, pleasure pain or indifference

since any other use of the term "feeling" clouds the issue,
I try to be careful to refer to sensation more accurately as sensation not feeling, and
I try to say that I think something rather than I feel something if that is what I am doing or if I am voicing my opinion.


anyway it's all
psychology, not physics nor metaphysics.


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: redgreenvines]
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maybe i just have to wait and see the karma play out..
"a thin line beyond which you really cant fake"
we will see..


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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just watch mind
mental contents
sensation
be aware of feelings pain or pleasure or none.
then you will make your way in this arena.

otherwise you are talking about fate.
karma is not fate -
fate is just the unknown.
sure watch fate play out
like watching creation in action.


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: redgreenvines]
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Karma works in mysterious ways.. remeber that.


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Zen View on Karma :

But there is an alternative view of karma which I would like to call "the self-awareness of karma" or "the existential view of karma" that have emerged among Buddhist following Shakyamuni. In this interpretation of karma, the Buddha taught that one must become aware of one current situation (the suffering of which may have its causes in historical or social causes) which is nevertheless reality as it is. Rather than blame one's situation on fate or on the gods, the Buddha taught that we must accept responsibility for our present and to do good is to actualize a better present. Surely, this interpretation of karma has more religious meaning and optimism than a fatalistic view of karma. Thus Shakyamuni encouraged us to unwaveringly understand the "now" that we inhabit and to start from there. This interpretation of karma operates at quite a different level than the usual one and is akin to Shinran's "destined karma" or Dogen's notion of leaving home and becoming a priest.

This alternate interpretation of karma is also reflected in the "Repentance Verse" which can be found not only in the Soto school, but in other schools of Buddhism: "All the evil karma of the past--boundless greed, anger, and delusion--has been created by my mind. All of this, I repent this now." In other words, repentance is to admit to the fact that one is and has been unable to live up to the Buddhist teachings and that this is the root of all the evil karma that is now present. However, the verse doesn't refer to any specific evil deed, but points to the fundamental aspect of being a human being which involves the three "poisons" of karma. Thus, a bad situation or suffering provides us with the opportunity to question who we are. This leads us to take refuge in the Buddha and to start a salvific life.


Basically, karma only effects those who are still playing "the game" of self and ego. When the ego has been dropped, and you merge into the "oneness", karma does not apply to you. Thats where im personally trying to reach.


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"Truth is more in the process than in the result."
- J. Krishnamurti




"We ourselves are not an illusory part of Reality; rather are we Reality itself illusorily conceived." Wei Wu Wei

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Re: I think Ive been misunderstanding Karma all this time.. [Re: CerebralFlower]
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CerebralFlower said:
Karma works in mysterious ways.. remeber that.


no it's simple and not threatening.

personality is mysteriously complex, but karma is direct like magnetism and light.

3 negative roots only - hatred greed and delusion lead to one result - feeling of pain
3 positive roots only - love generosity and clarity lead to one result - feeling of pleasure

nothing superstitious about it like voodoo or curses...


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