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Screwed Karma
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Dam my karma is so screwed up, lastnight i was out at some club where i noticed a credit card on the floor that was there for about 10 mins that some guy dropped. So i picked it up and give him it back which he was happy. The same night my phone goes missing. So i dont know how my karma translates into not stealing the credit card and handing it in to loseing my phone.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: EvilGir]
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There's no relation


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: eve69]
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Guess its just bad look, but every thing happens for a reaons. Even though right now i cant understand that reason.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: EvilGir]
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Heres an idea, maybe Karma doesnt exist on such a petty level?


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Positronius]
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> Heres an idea, maybe Karma doesnt exist on such a petty level?

Well even the smallest thing can effect karma, i guess the best way of explaining it is by throwing a rock into a river. No matter how big or small that rock is going to produce wave that expand out. Like cause and effect. Everything you do will come back to you even on teh smallest level.

I just dont understand yet what i have done.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: EvilGir]
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actually, If I am correct, I believe that Karma (as understood in buddhism) does not function within a single life. Meaning: the choices you make do not have a karmic effect on this life, they have an effect on your following lives.

You havent done anything, thats life, shit happens, trying to "mystify" it will lead you nowhere.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: EvilGir]
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Here's karma for you... I think. When I was young (6th grade) I stole a calculator out of this kid's backpack as he was walking by. I knew the kid, I just did it as a joke, and planned to give it back to him, but I guess I forgot and ended up keeping it or something.

Anyways, in high school, 6 years later, someone took my calculator out of my backpack as I was walking by, and I never found out who. It was my graphing calculator too, so it was like loosing $100. I always thought that was a lesson for me.

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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Positronius]
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I believe that Karma (as understood in buddhism) does not function within a single life

So you might as well do whatever the hell you want to and let "future yous" pay the price as the you of today will not remember anyway.  :cool: 


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Swami]
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Also known as "screwing yourself".


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: EvilGir]
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It's karma balance time. Everything is being brought to the surface to be transcended. What have you done doesn't matter it's what will you do to balance the scales. Karma is a collection of actions and intent, that weaves through many past lives. You may not see where it is coming from just yet, but that's because that's not what's important right now.. it's neutralizing the karma. Perhaps taking a look at the akashic records will refresh your memory. Anyway, the number one way to balance "bad" karma is by helping people.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Jellric]
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Karma can be understood on such a short term level, but it is silly to go looking at the events in our day for individual examples of karama. We create a lot of unfavourable karma with all the tension we produce in scrutiny!

[From a Buddhist perspective] Karma is much more subtle than can be observed with our noteworthy actions and noteworthy happenstance. Absolutely everything we see and experience is the ripening of our karma. It is even more subtle than that -- not only are the circumstances we experience the ripening of our karma, but the actual manner that we experience situations is also a ripening of karma.

Imagine that two 18 year old boys from similar backgrounds and lifestyles are walking through the mall in opposite directions. At the same time, they come across a "Santa's Toy Factory", an elaborate set-up with fake snow and robotic reindeer where many delighted children are having their photo taken with a jolly Santa Claus. One 18 year old boy might feel his heart warmed at the joy and laughter of the children, viewing the set-up to be a magical place. The the other might feel disgust at their ignorance, and view the set-up as a hollow wate of time. Both are experiencing the ripening of karma.

There is a certain uniqueness to the experience of each and every individual. The world I inhabit is completely and totally different from yours, because of my karma.


>> So you might as well do whatever the hell you want to and let "future yous" pay the price as the you of today will not remember anyway.

This has been our attitude for millions of years. The "future yous" may end up like many millions of human beings trapped in a place without food or water, poor and destitute until disease finally chokes off their life. And that would be a fortunate rebirth. Think of how many countless bacteria and insect life-forms there are. It is very rare that any of us take a human rebirth.



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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Ped]
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Karma is simply a lack of balance... good, or bad it doesn't matter.  No karma is the place to be.  :smile:


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Seuss]
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i still dont get how karma works. I would have thought it to be instant


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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I think karma can happen fast or slow. I stole money from someone for whom I babysit when I was a teen-ager. When I had children, a babysitter stole money from me.

I think I've paid for most of all of my past transgressions. I have pretty good karma right now. I think the Universe (God) is looking out for me. Some of the coolest shit happens, even if it's small stuff. I've given up worrying about anything because the best things happen to me.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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what if the person you stole the money from was deeply affected by it, yet when it happened to you, you just laughed it off?


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Let's see...hmmm...good question. Karma is basically about do good, and good will happen to you, do bad and bad will happen. It's also about learning lessons, I think.

Two things, then: (And why would I be laughing, anyways???) When the money is stolen from me, it is making up for when I stole from the other person, earlier. But also, I am not learning a lesson if I just laugh, so maybe the bad karma will be continued until I learn the lesson.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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if karma is workin on some spiritual level, i can imagine it to be the same level were possesion has no meaning. So it would not be a bad deed to steal.

I was wondering whether the karma proces happens within the individual. I give you love, im rewarded in my own mind. I give you hate and within my mind I feel bad for that.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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>> Karma is basically about do good, and good will happen to you, do bad and bad will happen.

But we have to remember that the way we experience things is also dependent on the ripening of our karma. So if we do something bad, something we perceive to be very good may happen to us. We may perceive it as good because of our karma, but in the long term it might be a ripening of poor karma. For example, if we are in the mob and kill people as part of business, and that business earns us many women and a luxurious lifestyle -- the good fortune could be interpreted as the ripening of negative karma, beacuse the luxurious lifestyle blinds us to the suffering that comes to others as a result of our actions. We may spend our entire life accumulating this negative karma, and take rebirth as an animal or a termite.

Though we perceive good fortune and may decide that it is the ripening of positive karma, it could be just the opposite. It is in cultivating our wisdom and good intentions toward other living beings that we gradually break free from the the trappings of karma.



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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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Sole_Worthy said:
if karma is workin on some spiritual level, i can imagine it to be the same level were possesion has no meaning. So it would not be a bad deed to steal.


That's an interesting thought. "Not a bad deed to steal if possession has no meaning under the laws of karma." Okay, then let's pretend that possessions have no meaning, and stealing isn't wrong, because you don't own anything anyways.

Okay...karma still operates, I think, but it wouln't be karma. If I walk by and take your wallet and use the money in it (assuming you're not a homeless person) to buy a cheeseburger, someone else may come by my house when I am gone and break in and take something of value and sell it for food. Someone else will take something from that person, and so on, and so on...

Possessions don't matter, so we just take what we need from where ever we find it, and it's all good. So it's kind of like karma, but not karma, because it's not good or bad, nor are we learning lessons. It's just a cycle of the way we survive.

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I was wondering whether the karma proces happens within the individual. I give you love, im rewarded in my own mind. I give you hate and within my mind I feel bad for that.


That's an interesting thought, too. (You come up with some good ones.) I'm sitting comfortably in a Starbuck's right now, having coffee, posting on the internet, enjoying my Friday afternoon. I suppose I should go out in the cold and walk across the street to that Barnes and Noble and pull a book out on karma and see if it talks about that issue. Oh, wait!! I am ON THE INTERNET!! Maybe the answer is out there, on the world wide web!!

Okay, I'll be back, but in the meantime, here's my guess: If I feel love for you, I will probably experience good things in my life as a result of that love. If I feel hate for you, I will probably experience bad things in my life as a result of that hate.

I don't think that, if I hated you, and if I felt bad about that hate, that my "feeling bad" would be a karmic result of that hate. Sounds wrong. Doesn't the principle of karma act as an extraneous force on us, in that it teaches us lessons? Not as an internal force?


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Ped]
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Ped said:
>> Karma is basically about do good, and good will happen to you, do bad and bad will happen.

But we have to remember that the way we experience things is also dependent on the ripening of our karma. So if we do something bad, something we perceive to be very good may happen to us. We may perceive it as good because of our karma, but in the long term it might be a ripening of poor karma. For example, if we are in the mob and kill people as part of business, and that business earns us many women and a luxurious lifestyle -- the good fortune could be interpreted as the ripening of negative karma, beacuse the luxurious lifestyle blinds us to the suffering that comes to others as a result of our actions. We may spend our entire life accumulating this negative karma, and take rebirth as an animal or a termite.

Though we perceive good fortune and may decide that it is the ripening of positive karma, it could be just the opposite. It is in cultivating our wisdom and good intentions toward other living beings that we gradually break free from the the trappings of karma.




You just answered a question that I have had!! It's been sort of a rhetorical question, and maybe not even really a question, because it is just something I discuss with friends from time to time. Okay, here goes...

I am a good person, but I am poor. I don't do bad things to people, yet in spite of all the bad I don't do, and in spite of even all the good that I do, I am not earning riches.

It appears that good karma is paying a visit to the mobster who is killing people, and that just doesn't seem fair, does it?

But what you said makes sense! He's going to be paying for his bad deeds when he comes back, or maybe he will get cancer. Who knows.

I know a guy who was (still is) such an asshole. Really screwed people when he was younger. Made tons of money. Well, now he has muscular dystrophy. Is that because of karma? What about people who don't screw people? Is that a result of having screwed someone in a previous life?

If I'm poor, but I'm a good person, why am I poor? Is it because I was a rich asshole in a previous life? I'm positive that I haven't been a rich asshole in this life. At least, not yet.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Ped]
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Though we perceive good fortune and may decide that it is the ripening of positive karma, it could be just the opposite. It is in cultivating our wisdom and good intentions toward other living beings that we gradually break free from the the trappings of karma.



I didn't know that we would want to, and that it would be good to, break free from the trappings of karma. So now I have another question, and thank you for your time.

If we want to break free of karma, and the way to do that is by cultivating our wisdom and good intentions, how do we know when that has happened?

Is it a rare instance wherein one is able to break free from karma?

If I have reached a point in my life where I don't care about "things" and my intentions towards people are good, and I don't do anything bad, how long would it take for me to break free of karma? Is it possible that I'm still going to be paying for past transgressions, even though I'm being good now?

Why don't I want good karma, anyways? That sort of doesn't make sense. See, I have been thinking that my karma is good because, for the last 4 or so years, for the most part, good things have been happening to me. Or it's magic. Or it's the Universe looking out for me. Or it's God.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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I found a site that made karma understandable for me.

http://www.buddhanet.net/fundbud9.htm


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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This mobster may claim he is happy with his lifestyle, he may even feel happy.

in states of pleasant confused chaos :wink: Ive seen how I am hurting my soul with some of my actions, and happiness is just a front.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Sole_Worthy]
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I found a site that made karma understandable for me.

http://www.buddhanet.net/fundbud9.htm


yes, another model. is it true? if you believe it. this world evolves on a Good alignment.. Good brings order and progress.. Too much of the opposite, this happens -> WWI WWII. though, with my scale, this world is not even close to being near that alignment.

the path buddhism teaches about karma is towards the love light vs the love of less-light. its neither wrong or right. just a way to learn the world, values and morality.

even i have to acknowledge some of the consequences.. not all of it. why? well, when you're dealing with other peoples' karma you can't control, you're part of the game.


edit: and a Buddha can still be phacking angry, cause mayhem, and still be in bliss.. spiritual rules are human concepts -not to abide by with a blindfold.




Edited by Keyannki (12/05/03 07:17 PM)

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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: EvilGir]
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So i dont know how my karma translates into not stealing the credit card...

To be karma-free, even the thought of stealing or not-stealing the card would not have occurred; it would NOT be an option.

Let me make this clearer. I saw a beatiful baby girl today. I didn't kill her so how much positive karma have I accrued?


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Swami]
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You gain no karma from not killing beautiful children, you only gain positive karma from killing ugly children.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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If I'm poor, but I'm a good person, why am I poor? Is it because I was a rich asshole in a previous life?



Maybe you're supposed to learn something from being poor that you wouldn't have had the chance to if you'd been rich.

Also, good karma doesn't necessarily equal material wealth. My own experience has been that I was happier while I was losing everything than when I was gaining it in the first place. And I've worked with people who had insane money, but were miserable 'cause they were always fighting over petty shit.

Your good karma could be manifesting itself in all those seemingly insignificant things that happen, like finding quarters in a machine when you need parking, random people who walk by & get your keys out of the car, etc.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Renegade8]
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Wow, Renegade. Because of what you posted at the end, I am going to tell these two "insignificant" stories...

1. I was going to Los Angeles for some work. I would only be there for about an hour. Stone cold broke, and parking costs at least $10.00. I had no money, but I would stand to make a good sum of money (or at least "survival" money) if I went. I decided to go because at this point I realized that someone is looking out for me.

Half-way there, my car suddenly develops an over-heating problem. I got off the freeway, went to a gas station, and with my last 2 quarters, put water in my engine. While I was putting water in, I looked down and on the base of the water machine were 4 quarters.

When I got to L.A., there was one last metered parking spot, and it cost 4 quarters for one hour.

2. I have this nasty little habit of locking my keys in my car. I also like to throw them any old where and play "let's find the keys". I've lost 2 sets this year, and I've had to have my car broken into lots of times. I threw them in the trash once on the way to Houston from Orange County.

One time, I locked them in the car while at a 7-11. My window was barely open an inch. No one could help me that walked by. My AAA had expired. (I had used all my road-side assistance help up anyways.)

Some guy comes by, sticks his arm in the window and reaches down to unlock my door. Remember barely open an inch. I'm 5'6" and 125 pounds, and I couldn't get my arm in the window. No way. This guy was taller than me, and I swear he didn't look like he was from a concentration camp. He fit his whole arm in.

Some trippy schitt happening out there.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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You're writing about carma, this thread is about karma.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Autonomous]
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And you are a funny person!


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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>> If we want to break free of karma, and the way to do that is by cultivating our wisdom and good intentions, how do we know when that has happened?

Well, it's best to first establish why we wish to break free of karma.

We wish to break free of karma because karma is what keeps us trapped in this realm, our world. Our world is charactarized by suffering, and happiness that is inseperably linked to suffering. Many of us spend our entire lives chasing happiness in places where only brief delight can be found: in women, sex, riches, gambling, business, materialism, idealism (nuclear family syndrome), and so forth. All of these things bring us happiness, but it is temporary and unfulfilling. We continue to feel empty and alone as all of these things we grasp at eventually turn into sources of suffereing. Even the love between two people in an intimate relationship, if relied upon as a source of happiness, eventually turns into a source suffering and hardship.

The ripening of positive karma serves as a cause for our liberation and happiness free from suffering. This can manifest to us as terrible misfortune, or the opposite. The ripening of negative karma serves as a cause for our ignorance and continued suffering. This can manifest to us as wonderful good fortune, or the opposite. It depends on us.

Depending on your view of reincarnation, it is conceivable to suggest that we have all been trapped in this cycle for many aeons, continously suffering. Our human life is in fact quite rare, and is a good fortune of our positive karma. It is an unfortunate rebirth to be born as an insect or an animal, of which there are many more than humans, because insects, bacteria and animals do not possess the mental tools necessary to observe and finally break free from the suffering that comes as a result of karma. If you'd rather not subscribe to the notion of reincarnation, then the concepts can be condensed into just one life. The mechanics are the same.

We know that we have come free from our karma when we have attained liberation. Do not confuse liberation as enlightenment -- these are two entirely different concepts. Liberation comes as a result of the perfection of wisdom. Enlightenment comes as the result of the perfection of superior seeing. What is liberation?

Liberation is the total cessation of suffering in this life. We are still bound by our karmic obstructions, but they no longer torment us like a bad hangover. We are free from the sufferings of our karma, are blessed with a perpetually relaxed and happy mind, and have the opportunity to use our life in such a way that we are able to purify all of our remaining karma, and to help others do the same. This way, we can begin moving toward enlightenment.


>> Is it a rare instance wherein one is able to break free from karma?

Not at all. A number of liberated individuals have entered my life whom are obviously quite freed from their karma, and are working to purifying the remainder of it. It is relatively simple to be free of karma: all that is needed is a steady, correct view of our circumstances, and to be accepting and peaceful through all adversity. The main characteristic of human behaviour which locks us into karmic cycles is our self-cherishing. If all things are the ripening of our karma, and we encounter adversity, most often we think "I should not have to experience this adversity!", and we may become flustered or angry, even enraged. When we do this, all we do is accumulate more negative karma, and spoil our opportunity to purify the karma that is ripening. If we can completely obliterate our self-cherishing (there are a number of techniques), we can escape karmic cycles and begin the task of purification completely unhindered and happy.

It's even easier than it sounds! All we must do is understand the benefits of such an undertaking. It then happens naturally.


>> If I have reached a point in my life where I don't care about "things" and my intentions towards people are good, and I don't do anything bad, how long would it take for me to break free of karma? Is it possible that I'm still going to be paying for past transgressions, even though I'm being good now?

The negative karma of all our previous lifetimes will continue to ripen, but if we are freed from our karma we will not encounter the ripening with a mind that views it as "pay back" or retribution. Free from karma, we remain contented and unpreturbed as the karma of this and previous lives continues to bear fruit, until all of that merit has been exhausted.

It is a task that requires a firm intention, and a high degree of mindfulness, awareness, and concientiousness. Though, it is absolutely joyful.


I feel I should draw a distinction between the discourse I'm giving now and the points I made earlier. Earlier, I had said that freedom from karma comes as a result of our correct intention toward others. I meant this in a seperate context. This is how we create the conditions for our break from karmic experience entirely -- in short, enlightenment. It is much like planting a seed, and encouraging it to grow.

What I am speaking of now is a sort of detachment from karma, being free from it in a way that is better characterized by cessation of participation. When we cease interacting with our karma as thought it were our enemy, it can be allowed to flow by us without accumulating any further negative karma. This is called the purification of karma. It is a unique sort of freedom.


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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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I am a good person, but I am poor. I don't do bad things to people, yet in spite of all the bad I don't do, and in spite of even all the good that I do, I am not earning riches.



You don't earn riches by being a good person. You earn riches by earning riches.

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I know a guy who was (still is) such an asshole. Really screwed people when he was younger. Made tons of money. Well, now he has muscular dystrophy. Is that because of karma?



What do you mean "now he has muscular dystrophy"? That's not something you catch like a cold. It's also something that you are either born with or it develops early on in life. Maybe he's an asshole because he's pissed off that his genes suck. So if he wasn't an asshole, he wouldn't now have MD, is that the idea? OK I get it now, him being an asshole and all that people screwing he did when he was younger caused his genes to mutate exactly so that "now he has muscular dystrophy". It all makes perfect sense.

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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Viveka]
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It is likely that people with MS are, to a certain extent, prone to develop the disease (that is, something that they inherit). Then some unknown environmental factor may trigger the immune system to attack the white matter of the CNS.


http://www.msactivesource.com/application/msas

My mistake. It was multiple sclerosis, not dystrophy. I usually get those two mixed up.

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Re: Screwed Karma [Re: Frog]
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>> I know a guy who was (still is) such an asshole. Really screwed people when he was younger. Made tons of money. Well, now he has [a bad illness]. Is that because of karma?

Karma does not function in this way. It is very despairing to see how common a misconception this is. Karma is not the divine arbitration of morality, the supreme enforcer of ethical justice.

Karma which is good serves as a cause for our happiness and freedom from suffering. Karma which is bad serves as a cause for our ignorance and trapping in suffering. We are all plauged with the bad karma of ignorance, and we are all blessed with the positive karma of a human life: a life in which we have the capacity and opportunity to manipulate ourselves in such a way that we become truly happy, and free from suffering.

Generally, if we do things which destroy the happiness of others, or if we do things which inhibit or impair the realizations of others, we accumulate negative karma. If we do things which enable the happiness of others, enable the realizations of others, we accumulate positive karma. Either of these can ripen in indiscernable ways.

It is most often impossible to assign "good" and "bad" to the ripening of any of our karma. The phenomenon of a muscular disease may be an enormously positive blessing, in that it may force him to engage in self-analysis, and be finally prompted to make the necessary adjustments for a happy and fulfilling life. Or, it may slowly drive him out of his human life, having never taken advantage of his opportunity to use his life in a meaningful way.

Above all, it is important to remember that we can't single out karmic appearances and say "this is today's unit of karma", and then go on about our day as though karma did not exist. Each and every experience we have is the ripening of our karma. All phenomenon are karmic appearances to mind. How can we possibly go about analyzing notable good or misfortune and categorize it as "good" or "bad", based upon the context of our karmically influenced mind?

Please know that I am not intending to force a doctrine of karma on others, merely clarifying how it has been understood by those who first communicated the teachings to us.


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Ped: Karma which is good serves as a cause for our happiness and freedom from suffering. Karma which is bad serves as a cause for our ignorance and trapping in suffering. We are all plauged with the bad karma of ignorance, and we are all blessed with the positive karma of a human life: a life in which we have the capacity and opportunity to manipulate ourselves in such a way that we become truly happy, and free from suffering.



Please correct me if I am wrong, but here is what it seems to me that you are saying:

Good and bad things are going to happen to us, but depending on whether we have good karma or bad karma (or in my case “carma”), we will look at stuff that happens to us, whether it’s good or bad, and if we have “good” karma, we will see the “good” in it, but if we have “bad” karma, we will see the bad in it.

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Ped: Please know that I am not intending to force a doctrine of karma on others, merely clarifying how it has been understood by those who first communicated the teachings to us.



Well, honestly, I almost feel like I have my own personal karma teacher in you, Ped. You seem very knowledgeable on the subject. My thoughts are just on what I’ve been thinking, experiencing, and reading for the last year and ?. But I have been running into these issues frequently enough that really, I should go to a book store and read about it. I almost feel like I am taking the easy way out by picking your brain on it.

I appreciate the knowledge that you are sharing is what I am trying to say.

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This mobster may claim he is happy with his lifestyle, he may even feel happy.

in states of pleasant confused chaos :wink: Ive seen how I am hurting my soul with some of my actions, and happiness is just a front. 


I've been thinking about this some more, based on Ped's recent post, and I am thinking: 

I am happy, but I have nothing.  I don't think I am making bad decisions.  I've left my fate to God, or the Universe, or whatever you want to call it. Others might look at me and say I have bad karma, based on my current situation.  But I look at my current situation and say, "What a blast life is!" 

It would tie in with what Ped is saying.  Well, that is, if he's saying what I think he's saying. 

Which would mean, then, that it isn't necessarily your bad decisions that make you unhappy, but your bad karma?  (I'm sorry, but I'm laughing at myself as I write this last sentence about your bad karma, as if I think I am now some karma guru.  I'm just trying to figure this out, and if I write my thoughts down here, someone will jump on me and send me in the right direction.)


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>> we will look at stuff that happens to us, whether it?s good or bad, and if we have ?good? karma, we will see the ?good? in it, but if we have ?bad? karma, we will see the bad in it.

If we have wisdom, absolutely. Though, this wisdom demands a lot of alertness to cultivate.

>> Which would mean, then, that it isn't necessarily your bad decisions that make you unhappy, but your bad karma?

Poor decisions create poor karma, which makes us unhappy. It is important to remember that the appearances of happy and unhappy are karmically influenced events. Everything we see and experience is apart from what is real, appearing to us through the imprints of our karma.

There are two types of poor decisions.

1. Poor decisons made from ignorance.
2. Poor decisions made from harmful or negative intent.

The latter is infintely more harmful to us than the former. The first is like walking into a telephone poll: we will bruise our forehead. The second is like opening a clearly marked bottle of poison and drinking it eagerly. Why would anyone do such a thing!

This is why one of the primary elements of Buddhist practice is to cultivate Bodhichitta, or the incredibly strong intention to help others. It is said that with Bodhichitta, our compassion is indiscriminate. We care for all beings as though they were our own children. Our wish to protect their happiness is spontaneous and intense.

If we have this virtuous intent, it protects us from the poor karma we accumulate from the ignorance we are working to dispel, and removes the potential for us to make poor decisions out of maliciousness.

As Shantideva said:

Just as it is rare indeed
For a blind person to find a jewl in a heap of garbage;
So too, by some very rare chance, I have generated Bodhichitta.

It is the supreme nectar that overcomes
The dominon of Death over living beings,
And an inexhaustible treasury
That dispels all their poverty.

It is the supreme medicine that relives
The sickness of living beings,
And a shady tree that provides shelter
For weary beings travelling samsaras paths.

It is a universal bridge by which all living beings
Can be delivered from the lower realms,
And a rising moon of a mind
That relieves the torment of their delusions


From Guide to the Bodhisattava's Way of Life by Shantideva, translated by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso (2002)


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