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Karma Savings Account?
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So, karma is supposed to be a running balance sheet of the good stuff and the bad stuff you do in life. At the end of the game, your balance comes back to pleasure you or haunt you as the case may be.

So what happens if I'm the nicest guy in the world. I devote my life to helping others. I save many lives at the risk of my own. I spend all my money and possessions feeding the hungry. Then, after I've racked up all that credit in my karmic bank account in heaven, I rape and murder a little girl.

Will I break even? Seems like I should given all the game credits I've racked up over my life. How does that work?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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instant karma is the only thing I believe. :mushroom2:

and

it's random and chaotic :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Icelander]
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instant karma

Is that like instant coffee? Just add water? :tongue:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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More or less,

Just add timing. :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
So, karma is supposed to be a running balance sheet of the good stuff and the bad stuff you do in life. At the end of the game, your balance comes back to pleasure you or haunt you as the case may be.

So what happens if I'm the nicest guy in the world. I devote my life to helping others. I save many lives at the risk of my own. I spend all my money and possessions feeding the hungry. Then, after I've racked up all that credit in my karmic bank account in heaven, I rape and murder a little girl.

Will I break even? Seems like I should given all the game credits I've racked up over my life. How does that work?


if you are seeking sincere understanding of the more beautiful points of advaita vedanta philsophy in dealings with karma then you will find what you're looking for by meditating on how the three gunas operate through time with the senses to create what most call maya


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I have considered such matters.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Icelander]
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I would think a life full of good would make up for a slip up. I dunno. Everyone makes mistakes, and there is probably a reason for why you did it...maybe psychological illness? Does karma take that into count?

Are we talking a physical third person karma bank at the gates of heaven, or a set of personal standards you should respect?


Either way, they are gonna nail Karr, you are a free man Diploid


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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: tak]
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If you where a good person your whole life you would not go out and murder a child for no reason to begin with. If you did all of the good stuff just so you could murder and child and break even... then all of the "good" things you did would not count because you did not do them out of selflessness.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: BuddahKillah]
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karma is something to be intuited and understood on a personal level.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (08/27/06 08:19 PM)

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: leery11]
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karma is something like the 10 commandments. its a way to scare people into being 'good'

then beyond that, what leery11 said

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
So, karma is supposed to be a running balance sheet of the good stuff and the bad stuff you do in life. At the end of the game, your balance comes back to pleasure you or haunt you as the case may be.

So what happens if I'm the nicest guy in the world. I devote my life to helping others. I save many lives at the risk of my own. I spend all my money and possessions feeding the hungry. Then, after I've racked up all that credit in my karmic bank account in heaven, I rape and murder a little girl.

Will I break even? Seems like I should given all the game credits I've racked up over my life. How does that work?


Karma is a very intricate and complex topic to discuss. What karmic causes manifest at the time of death for an indivudal is a very difficult thing to predict as far as Buddhist philosophy is concerned. It is emphasized in very much in the teachingds that what happens at the time of death is very much dependent upon important factors such as the individuals state of mind at the time of death.

According to buddhist philosophy a man/woman can be a bitch/bastard all of his/her life (see how politically correct i am :lol:), but at the time of death if he/she dies in a very positive, compassionate state of mind, then through the power of the volition of thart indivudals karma, the consequencial effects of those positive causes will come to full fruition as that indivudals next rebirth (karmic vision).

Essentially the idea is that we take all of our accumilated karmic baggage with us when we check out. What karmic credit we use to pay the ticket will determine our next destination


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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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that's not karma, that whole belief system is just an epiphenomenon of one's karma. karma is a blind process, it's a conditioned reaction formed out of one's past experiences... bound by karma, the way a believer even perceives your post (likely a threat or a challenge), is predetermined. if one were to recognize the feelings that were sparked as karma in action it would create a space to interactively process those feelings from the vantage point of Consciousness. otherwise the wheel keeps on turning.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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in the Tao... When giving you should never expect anything in return.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Cracka_X]
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Karma is cop out IMO. If you can't explain why something occurred, karma is a good concept to plug in to explain something you don't understand, "Oh that happen", "it must be karma", "or this happened", "don't know why", it must be karma, karma is an explanation for things we don't understand, take responsibility and prescribe yourself to the will your ways, forget unknowable forces, I doubt anybody who's successful would allow the concept of karma to influence them.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: capliberty]
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I think your definition of successful varies greatly from mine.


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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: HighGuy]
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When you say "expect something in return" does that relate to wanting something in return aswell?

I have has some discussions about this before, and while you may be a real nice guy, and help others and not expect anything in return. On the inside, there is always someone who appreciates the recognition, or returned kind favors, or the hope for a better society by spreading kindness. These are not reasons I consider "selfish" but I dont think they are selfless.


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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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Even if you do not believe in the mystical meaning of the word, it nontheless is a very pragmatic concept that is ignored out of your own neglegence: Whatever goes around, comes around.

Be arrogant to others, and you'll find that they will treat you likewise. It's the golden rule, a simple concept: whatever you put in, you get out.

And as far as where karma is concerned in the afterlife, what do you care since you don't believe in one?


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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Fospher]
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Whatever goes around, comes around.

This is not at all evidenced by reality. Little kids and nice guys guys die in horrible pain from cancer all the time. Meanwhile murderers and rapists go free.

There may be some after-death retribution, but I doubt it because so far, there isn't the tiniest hint that there is.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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Maitereya said:
karma is something like the 10 commandments. its a way to scare people into being 'good'


maybe.

or it could be that

that's like saying gravity is to scare people from trying to fly.

now hell is for scaring people. the 10 commandments are to ensure social order within a religious framework, such as for the tribes of Israel, etc.

every choice you make programs who you are as a conditioned individual and shapes your future in ways impossible to comprehend.

karma is the explanation of our lack of free will through conditioned habits.

just pretend every single thing and person and object and action is an extension of yourself, and you'll understand how karma impacts you.

if you treat drivers hostile on the road guess how your road experience is? it's stressful.

if you treat drivers kindly on the road and make room for them guess how your road experience is?

if you look strangers in the eye and smile at them guess how your environment is?

if you single out the angry looking strangers and feel threatened guess how your environment is?

if you make eye contact with your lover and stare until all boundaries dissolve, guess how your sex is?

if you and your lover spend all your time in front of the tv and rarely talk about anything at all, guess how your sex is?

if you are paranoid of the government, the traffic lights are watching you.

if you don't care about the government, they essentially aren't.

if i call you an asshole you are upset with me. I become a hostile person if I keep calling you and other people assholes, and soon I put on a temporary or permanent hostility mask. Now guess what kind of friends I make? Guess how my family is impacted? Guess what kind of lovers I get? Guess what kind of situations I get into?

questions of say visiting the Eiffel tower and having a suicide jumper land on you killing you, these are beyond the reasoning minds ability to make answers. Karma is pragmatic and if you take religious concepts away it is simply the explanation that you are constantly redefining HOW you want your life to be by every single action, thought and choice you make.

This is why the Buddha stressed right mind, right livelihood, right thought, right speech, right action, right effort... etc.

Because yes you can choose to be a jerk. This doesn't mean that a rabid dog will attack you, it manes that you will make friends who share your same ideas, and this is not conducive to FREEDOM and HARMONY and it doesn't mean that when you are telling someone off at a bar you will get shot, it just means that you choose to add stress to your life by invalidating other people's rights to harmony.

Karma is like choosing to put dynamic "Kick Me" signs on your clothes.

as for the afterlife. Go to sleep. Dream. What are your dreams like? Ever forget who your waking self is while dreaming? Those are karmic impressions, key personality traits that stick with you.

Ever deliberately not study for a test and then have frequent nightmares about failing? Imagine that the trait of being lazy carries with you into the afterlife.

You die.
90% of you disappears. Anything unresolved carries over and reconfigures. It's just a basic assimilation of energy.

If you can't remember infancy, if you can't empathize with possible past lives, if you don't see that all people are extensions of you.

Ponder over it.

It goes as deep and necessarily as simple as you want it. It can be a religious philosophy based upon "control" to some extent. It can be a simple scientific principle in action (all actions have effects, and karma are these effects.) It can be something you just don't plain care about.

But examine why you are tearing holes?

Everything can have holes torn into it. The fact of the matter is this: The Bible is both right and wrong simultaneously. It is both dogmatic and corrupted and necessarily the work of God. There both is and is not a God.

One person flips open the Bible and has "God" speak to them directly..... another person accomplishes this same feat with Tarot.

Another listens to the lyrics of a band so much that they begin to absorb the knowledge of the lyricist and use the song lyrics to interpret and intuit reality.

It's all a miror. Every single thing is a mirror. So if karma doesn't work for you that's a-okay. And if you need to find out what doesn't work for you so you can find what does work, that's fine too.

But it's really the easier journey if instead of saying wait this religion is bullshit, and oh this one is definitely bullshit, and man how can the idiots follow this one, and jeeze these people are dense... you just go ahead and look for what works, rather than what doesn't.

Asking questions is of utmost necessity. I just wonder why these questions are being posed.... from what motive and what angle?

now my question is, why does your question evoke this kind of response in me? on some level i am threatened by the prospect of karma being nonsense. but karma is not essentially anything in the first place.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!

Edited by leery11 (08/28/06 05:21 PM)

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Re: Karma Savings Account? [Re: Diploid]
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I don't claim to have a firm grasp on karma. For me, it's all about internal processes. If you act purely out a spirit of love and kindness, if your actions do not reflect selfishness, then you are rewarded with a sense of serenity--the greater the sacrifice or degree of the deed and the more pure the motivation, the deeper the serenity. I can't imagine the internal hell that someone who has raped a little girl must go through, but it must be a worse punishment than any court system could dish out.

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