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deep_umbra
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truth?

#629756 - 05/13/02 11:57 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

If someone or something showed you physical evidence of the truth of whatever it maybe, that you consider the truth is.. would you believe it to be the actual truth? If so, why? this is aimed more at the logical thinkers

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jono
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Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#629860 - 05/14/02 04:19 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

Could you please give us a more definite definition of "the truth"? i dont really know what to think without one.

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Clark
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Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#629865 - 05/14/02 04:30 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm... Depends.

How outrageous is this purported truth?
How good is the supporting evidence?

And because I am such a rigorously logical thinker, I would need to personally confirm this purported truth using a ouija board and the entrails of a goat.

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

[Re: Clark]
#629872 - 05/14/02 04:37 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

Well.. i dunno how outrageous it is.. but the supporting evidence is top notch, being 100% correct according to frank shanks..

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

[Re: jono]
#629884 - 05/14/02 04:48 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

the truth as in.. the answer to why we are here, why the universe exists, blah blah, etc..

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Clark
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Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#629889 - 05/14/02 04:54 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

Well, out with it man! I'm on the edge of my bar stool.

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EclecticSeeker
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Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#629894 - 05/14/02 05:04 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

It depends on the so called 'evidence.' If you are referring to crop circles as evidence of extraterrestrial visitations I would say the evidence is weak. But if you were to allow me to examine the corpse of an alien with numerous puncture wounds from the farmer's pitchfork, I'd believe it.

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deep_umbra
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[Re: Clark]
#629898 - 05/14/02 05:18 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

heh.. out with what? I'm not saying I have the truth..

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

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#629900 - 05/14/02 05:22 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

It depends on the so called 'evidence.'

The so called evidence is the 100% correct evidence of what the truth is..

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EclecticSeeker
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Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#629913 - 05/14/02 05:40 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

I'll always accept good evidence.

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mr crisper
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Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#629958 - 05/14/02 07:01 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

any physical object would supply you with those answers.
you just have to look closely and carefully, it's all there.

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Sclorch
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Re: truth?

[Re: mr crisper]
#630199 - 05/14/02 10:43 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

For me...
There is no abstract formula to my acceptance of a particular "truth". As much of my knowledge as possible is grounded in my own experience, so any ACTUAL evidence that supports a "truth" would be quite handy.

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dumlovesyou
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Re: truth?

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#630269 - 05/14/02 11:28 AM (24 years, 5 months ago)

We will never be able to know the truth!! We will just find a truth that will fit to our logical sense!!!
I hope I make sense to you...

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

[Re: mr crisper]
#630598 - 05/14/02 04:18 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

any physical object would supply you with those answers.
you just have to look closely and carefully, it's all there.

so if i look at any object, ill understand why the universe exists? right...

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

[Re: Sclorch]
#630603 - 05/14/02 04:24 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

In reply to:

There is no abstract formula to my acceptance of a particular "truth". As much of my knowledge as possible is grounded in my own experience, so any ACTUAL evidence that supports a "truth" would be quite handy.

Sounds cool sclorch.. but just wondering what it would be quite handy for?

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Amoeba665
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Re: truth?

[Re: dumlovesyou]
#630664 - 05/14/02 05:17 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

dum is not dum

you want the truth?

your homo sapien minds can't handle the truth!
but you want it anyway, don't you???

only the truth can truly know the truth, and that's impossible because nothing is true (think about it!)

but to answer your question - i would think that whatever you showed me was true could be treated as the truth in order to help me achieve whatever i was trying to achieve. until you showed me it was really false. then i would no longer use it as truth when deciding my actions.

knowledge is a tool, not an answer.

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

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#630678 - 05/14/02 05:28 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

yeah .. so I think we can agree that searching for the real truth is useless.. which means making up your own stuff is as good as it gets..

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Amoeba665
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Re: truth?

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#630784 - 05/14/02 07:10 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

but.. in the process of making up your own truths, you are still searching, aren't you? the difference is, you are searching in your mind instead of in books or your environment. so why limit yourself like that, why not include external sources in your search? you may find it easier than reinventing the wheel.. besides, even if you do decide to reinvent the wheel, maybe you personally will just create an oldsmobile (which is a nice make, don't get me wrong) whereas by including pieces found elsewhere, you can put together a hovercraft. make sense?

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deep_umbra
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Re: truth?

[Re: Amoeba665]
#630906 - 05/14/02 08:59 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

makes sense.. but personally, i dont bother building cars or hovercrafts or the like, coz they always seem break at one time or another.. and when they break down, you realise you didn't really know where you were goin in the first place.. so it doesnt really matter

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Sclorch
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Registered: 07/13/99
Posts: 4,805
Loc: On the Brink of Madness

Re: truth?

[Re: deep_umbra]
#630955 - 05/14/02 10:02 PM (24 years, 5 months ago)

Should I get my galoshes?
It's getting a little thick in here...

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