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InvisibleSwami
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Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!)
    #614796 - 04/21/02 04:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

My cat has many different strains / substrates / casings growing, and most of the fruit bodies are weak and pathetic looking. He gets many little 1 and 2 " mushrooms.

However, in two of the clear-sided tupperware containers with anemic mushrooms on top, there are huge monsters growing along the side of the container trying to break free. ( I will try to post some pictures). This is much like the invitro tek.

My hypothesis is the miniature mushrooms can get to the spore producing stage using minimal energy, but those trapped underneath will use tremendous energy to break free.

On one composted substrate, the surface was incredibly tough like a mat of crab grass. The 7" mushroom finally broke through and had a very thick and woody stem while those that pinned on the surface were fragile and were less than 1/10 the mass.

Would like opinions on the phenomenon.


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Edited by Swami (04/22/02 09:37 AM)


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Re: Size and Frustration [Re: Swami]
    #614845 - 04/21/02 05:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

how is this advanced?
your probably just noticing the variability of fungus fruitbodies.. if the pin originates deeper in the substrate it has better humidity, probably more nutrients, etc etc..
Also, the occasionaly fruitbody which manages to overcome the poor conditions you are providing has more nutrients, as all the others did not consume much.


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Swami]
    #615390 - 04/22/02 10:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

> there are huge monsters growing along the side of the container

My friend has found that this seems to be related to an unhealthy casing layer that cannot breath properly.


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Seuss]
    #615399 - 04/22/02 10:58 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

This particular one is Dr. BT's compost innoculated with millet and is not cased (though I don't necessarily disagree with your evaluation). Even so, I have never personally seen one this big (other's pictures notwithstanding.)

Whatever the causation, do you not think this merits further investigation?


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Seuss]
    #615403 - 04/22/02 11:09 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

>My friend has found that this seems to be related to an unhealthy casing layer that cannot breath properly.

They are growing there becasue they are in a translucent container.


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Anno]
    #615414 - 04/22/02 11:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

They are growing there becasue they are in a translucent container.
Again, I will agree with your assessment about light and all, but the fact remains that my healthy specimens on a similar substrate in opaque containers do not even remotely compare in size and thickness (maybe 1/4 to 1/3 the mass of this beast).

While harvesting may be more difficult, is this not desirable and worth trying to make happen?


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Swami]
    #615422 - 04/22/02 11:24 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

>is this not desirable and worth trying to make happen?
Depends on you. If you want to have such growth, leave it this way.
I wouldn?t like to have such fruitings.


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Anno]
    #615438 - 04/22/02 11:40 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Let me rephrase this another way. What if one could frustrate the growth in some manner on top of the casing so as to increase the size and thickness, would that not be worthwhile to investigate?


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Swami]
    #615594 - 04/22/02 03:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Isn't that what a casing layer is for?


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Swami]
    #615655 - 04/20/02 10:29 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

maybe the larger mushroom grew better because of the increased humidity and available water. try raising the humidity in the grow chamber.


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: rebelmoon]
    #615810 - 04/22/02 10:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

BTW it grew another 2 inches before the cap split.

My biggest shroom from a cased substrate is far less than 1/3 the mass of this monster.


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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Swami]
    #615975 - 04/23/02 02:54 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like it is worth experimenting. Why not try putting another identical plastic container right side up on top of the substrate? That way the whole substrate is sort of trapped and maybe the fruitbodies will grow thicker and larger trying to push it up in the air.

Let us know your results.


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    #616001 - 04/23/02 03:53 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Size and Frustration (Updated with pictures!) [Re: Swami]
    #616126 - 04/23/02 09:30 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

those thais are staining very bleu!!!


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