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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
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gdman said:
Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill


it's aparent that isreal doesnt care either, instead of calling it terrorism
they have the option of calling it collateral damage because they're a
sanctioned military

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these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists.


look at US history for a moment, it wasnt just soldiers fighting the
revolutionary war, it wasnt just soldiers that murdered 6 million indians,
where in is the difference, america has it's share of hitler like genocide
which included killing anything living included women, children and ponies

if there were a civil insurection in the US, would it be only soldiers fighting?


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: gdman]
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gdman said:
Of course they bombed the camp, hezbollah was hiding a base of operations in it, they seem to get off on putting their women, children, and other civilians in danger by hiding weapons and other targets of military significance in civilian homes, hospitals, etc.



ever heard of the Mossad? I'm sure theres other ways to eliminate the combatants
while leaving the majority of non-combatants out of harms way, sounds like you
support isreals terrorists tactics


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
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gdman writes:
"Arbitrarily giving Jews a homeland elsewhere will never happen..."

How do you think they got into Israel in the middle of last century??

"...it's not an option, the land they are on is their historic homeland."

That ended with the Romans in what? 600AD? That's 1,400 years ago.

Saying that Israel is some kind of Jewish birthright would be like saying, in the year 3200AD, that the United States is the historical birthright of American Indians.

The reality of the situation is that ownership of land is a function of occupying it and defending it. So long as any group of people can do that, it's theirs. It's ugly and it's barbaric, but that's how it is.

"These militant Islamic groups want to wipe out the state of Israel, "push it into the sea." The Israelis pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, they pulled out of Gaza, the Palestinians have their own state, yet Hamas and Hezbollah still attack Israel, and they won't stop. Not until Israel is no more, it's not about their freedom, it's about the death of Israel. "

I'll certainly agree that this is true but you present it like the Arabs want the Jews gone just because. You imagine, somehow, that there is no impetus.

"Yesterday Hezbollah killed some Israeli Arabs in Nazareth, a 5 year old and a three year old. They don't care who they kill, it reminds me of the Nazis with their V1 and V2 missals in WW2. They just launch them towards population centers, these groups are not armies, they aren't soldiers, they're terrorists."

That's completely true. But you have conveniently left out the 300 dead, 1,000 wounded and 500,000 displaced Lebanese civilians.

Why do you only see innocent Jewish deaths? BOTH are abominations.

Redstorm writes:
"As long as we support them. "

Our ability to do this might change radically within the next 20, 30 years.

Parabolalala writes:
"What the US really needs to do in this conflict is air drop weed and bob marley cds... and maybe cd players, batteries, rolling papers, and lighters"

Right on, brother. =)

koppie writes:
"Anti semitism used to mean wishing hurt onto jews, now it seems to mean not wishing fiery death on all muslims."

Well said.

"People tend to surprise you. Open debate includes opinions that may be unpalatable to you. The right response is reasoned debate, not invective. "

More wisdom.

"This didn't happen in a vacuum"

I think we're the only ones who notice this tidbit.

Basically, a huge thumbs-up to your entire post.

Redstorm writes:
"Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist". "

Cuts both ways, doesn't it?

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
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Prisoner#1 writes:
"ever heard of the Mossad? I'm sure theres other ways to eliminate the combatants while leaving the majority of non-combatants out of harms way..."

Good point. I guess they never saw Munich.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
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I'm sure they dont use these tactics because it's not as effective at striking
'terror' into the hearts and minds of the 'terrorists'

seems it's all in how you decide to articulate it


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: splifner180]
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"Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist". "

Cuts both ways, doesn't it?


Yes it does. I just don't understand why it seems like you were trying to make it seem like Hezbollah is not a terrorist organizatiom.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm writes:
"Yes it does. I just don't understand why it seems like you were trying to make it seem like Hezbollah is not a terrorist organizatiom."

I think we have a case of crossthreading here.

koppie wrote:
"Both Hezbollah and Hamas were democratically elected."

You (Redstorm), replying to koppie, wrote:
"Being elected does not all of the sudden make you "not a terrorist"."

I (splifner180), replying to you (Redstorm) wrote:
"Cuts both ways, doesn't it?"

So perhaps you meant to say that koppie was implying that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist group?

Saying it "cuts both ways," I think, clearly indicates that it applies equally to both sides.

In this thread, I've made numerous comments specifically stating that all parties are to blame:

- "...I think all sides of this are culpable."

- "I'm against people who kill and that goes for Hamas, that goes for Hezbollah and that goes for Israel."

- "Hezbollah, IDF, Hamas, United States, Syria, Iran. For those who think that some (but not all) of these groups support terrorism, please define "terrorism" first."

- "I'm not saying that Hezbollah isn't a terrorist organization. I'm saying we are too."

- "...the fault belongs to every single party in the region. I'm anti-death. If you violate that, I'm not a fan anymore. It's really that simple."

- "Again, not saying that Hamas is populated with angels. I'm pointing out that there is another side to this."

- "Why do you only see innocent Jewish deaths? BOTH are abominations."

I think one would be VERY hard-pressed to suggest I'm saying Israel is the only guilty party here.

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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot

When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:


"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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I am half jewish, and I do not support what Israel does. They DID steal the land and they DO use horrible tactics to defend it from the rightfully pissed off arabs. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear my jewish grandmother talk about how we should kill every muslim in the world, or perhaps just sterilize them. You would think that jews learned something about compassion and humanity during the holocaust, but apparently not.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
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ChiefThunderbong said:
I am half jewish, and I do not support what Israel does. They DID steal the land and they DO use horrible tactics to defend it from the rightfully pissed off arabs. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear my jewish grandmother talk about how we should kill every muslim in the world, or perhaps just sterilize them. You would think that jews learned something about compassion and humanity during the holocaust, but apparently not.


I think the lesson they learned was that when there are people who wish to do you harm, take what you can from them and then drop a metric fuck ton of explosives on them ASAP.

good lesson, only the jews are too stingy with the bombs

typical, I say


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Dimmy]
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The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.

I think though people have to start separating the Jewish people for the Israeli government. They are not one in the same. I know quite a few Jewish people who oppose what the state of Israel has and is doing.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog]
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Blink Dog said:
The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.




They haven't placed anyone into a ghetto, the people moved there by choice in order to try and create their own country. Many (the majority at one time) came from Israel because they hate Jews, and do not want to live around them.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: Blink Dog] * 1
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Alot of you people talk as if one side is completely innocent and the other is 100% guilty. It isn't that simple, both have fairly valid points, however it is Hamas, Hezbollah, and the associated acts that keep breaking every single fucking peace attempt that has ever passed. Also, enough of this 'wahhhhh they stole our land' shit. It is how it is, you wanna blame Israel? you can't. You need to blame Britan for giving it away to them, what are they going to say? No? And just for fairness, they were there before the Arabs conquered them anyways.

While we're at it, blame Britan for the whole fucked up middle east, I mean Iran, Iraq, Pakistan: Britan, Britan, and Britan.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: twighead]
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Fuck that, I'm blaming Canada.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
Blink Dog said:
The situation is only out of hand because of the flow of American money and weapons. If that was cut off Israel would not do what they are doing. Basically putting the Palestinians into a Warsaw ghetto.




They haven't placed anyone into a ghetto, the people moved there by choice in order to try and create their own country. Many (the majority at one time) came from Israel because they hate Jews, and do not want to live around them.



really, then why the change in the way this map looked,
palestinians just willingly gave up everything else to move
to a tiny area and set a world record for being the most
crowded place on the planet?



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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: scruffymafia]
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What a bunch of ignorant fucking garbage.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: scruffymafia]
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scruffymafia said:



Lets put the point in layman's terms..
1947 - UN gives Jews land to call their own. Dividing up Palestine.
Ever since then the greedy Jewish pigs have been invading all their neighboring Arab countries claiming more land, illegally.
Because israel is the wests only middle eastern ally - they get away with it.
They murder whole families and destroy whole towns for their own selfish greedy cause.
The neighboring Arabs would be understandably pretty fucking pissed off that their land and families are being destroyed.
Would you stand idly by as some greedy fucker destroys everything you know?
I fucken wouldnt, i would want to destroy every motherfucker that represents that which has fucked me over.
Stop listening to all the fucken propaganda you get fed at temple and open your eyes. Stop being such a fucken tool.

When/why did i start hating israel? When i befriended an Jewish israeli ex-patriot who was a tank commander in the idf. The stories she had about what was really going on there was fucken sickening, how would you feel about using shelling schools, family homes and hospitals with tanks. Or how about mowing down young innocent lives with machine guns. Blowing kids brains all over the street and watch as their friends and family try to pick up the pieces.
Shes still a proud Jew, but holy fuck does she hate israel.

How can you be proud of a country that uses military force to commit genocidal acts just as bad as the nazi regime?

Open your fucken eyes.



How is it illegal? Britan OWNED THE FUCKING LAND. They could do with it what they please. Also if i'm not mistaken Israel has less territory than they had upon conception. Like I said, you're acting like a fucking idiot, like one side is 100% guilty and the other is 100% innocent, both have blotches both have shining causes. Do you think Hamas is nice and gentle when slaughtering Israeli's? They purposely hide in hospitals, schools, etc. for both the public opinion bonus of having the opposition demolish a school and the effect it has upon Israeli morale.

I'm born Jewish too by the way if it makes any difference.


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Re: Shroomery Anti-Semitic and Anti-Israel Sentiment [Re: blewmeanie]
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prove differently, refute it, show some evidence


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