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Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it
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We Can all be better than we really are. It is True on so many levels. everything we perceive is an individual thought, perception of how you saw something..
Naturally, Enlightenment Smacks of elitism.
To most people that cannot comprehend it, the concept or realization of enlightenment is almost impossible. And so they go through life missing out on what might of been. If we are what we eat, (and people are eating such crap these days ) wouldn't it be recommendable ... that we eat soul food instead... It seems people are depriving themselves of what even they know is good and this baffles me.. this is truly sad to me... why is there something rather than nothing , this is the concept most people , firstly need to ascertain. To obtain any ultimate happyness or enlightenment....to respect anyone else u must first truely have respect for yourself. :mushroom2:

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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Just eat lots of LSD and the wondering will stop...


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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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It can be a little lonley attaning true enlightenment...there might be a few people on here that understand what I mean by "lonley".

There is only one...singluar and solitary at the highest eschelons...

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: MystikMushroom]
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eat Lots of Lsd aye... hmm how would that help me? ... i have eaten Lsd before manytimes..hhow can something synthetic ever be as good as something natural... Wow I like that thought Mystikmushroom... Your right, and thoseindividuals do not feel as though they need to gain anything from anyone else, in any sense or form, because they don't need to acertain anything to do with who they are..or what they're doing here. because they know the ultimate truth... They see no need to explain there ways, or thoughts.... (I don't think if i dropped 20 hits of strong lsd that id be able to keep a straight face... for long)

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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Someone who was truely enlightened would not feel the effects of any substance, and if they did they could choose to ignore it, i beleive it... Some of us are all so far from enlightening our inner beings that we get caught up in things that are completely unjust for no reason at all other than that we can't help it, and naturally don't no anybetter unless shown....

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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True enlightenment is almost certainly un-attainable in this western culturlistic world i live in, however in the eastern culture, i wonder how manyborn there are able to ascertain True Enlightenment of the soul... and how many are aware of it even being an option.....

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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true enlightenment is all about giving back, lending a helping hand to those beneath you, not glorifying oneself and putting oneself on a pedastal above others.

A truly enlightened person is not a fascist elitist, but moreso a populist anarchist.

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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Horseonsandhill said:
We Can all be better than we really are. It is True on so many levels. everything we perceive is an individual thought, perception of how you saw something..
Naturally, Enlightenment Smacks of elitism.
To most people that cannot comprehend it, the concept or realization of enlightenment is almost impossible. And so they go through life missing out on what might of been. If we are what we eat, (and people are eating such crap these days ) wouldn't it be recommendable ... that we eat soul food instead... It seems people are depriving themselves of what even they know is good and this baffles me.. this is truly sad to me... why is there something rather than nothing , this is the concept most people , firstly need to ascertain. To obtain any ultimate happyness or enlightenment....to respect anyone else u must first truely have respect for yourself. :mushroom2:


Just do whatever it is that you want to do and stop being concerned about what it is or isn't to other people ... it is what it is. Don't try an label and divide and dump everything into a category.

You have no sway over what other people do with their lives.

I guess ... So what? is my final question. So what?

Focus your energy on yourself and once you have done that, that positivity will radiate outwards. Remember ... if you focus on the negatives you do nothing but help it and thus become a part of the problem.

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: Ngalyod]
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Ngalyod said:
Horseonsandhill said:
We Can all be better than we really are. It is True on so many levels. everything we perceive is an individual thought, perception of how you saw something..
Naturally, Enlightenment Smacks of elitism.
To most people that cannot comprehend it, the concept or realization of enlightenment is almost impossible. And so they go through life missing out on what might of been. If we are what we eat, (and people are eating such crap these days ) wouldn't it be recommendable ... that we eat soul food instead... It seems people are depriving themselves of what even they know is good and this baffles me.. this is truly sad to me... why is there something rather than nothing , this is the concept most people , firstly need to ascertain. To obtain any ultimate happiness or enlightenment....to respect anyone else u must first truly have respect for yourself. :mushroom2:


Just do whatever it is that you want to do and stop being concerned about what it is or isn't to other people ... it is what it is. Don't try an label and divide and dump everything into a category.

You have no sway over what other people do with their lives.

I guess ... So what? is my final question. So what?

Focus your energy on yourself and once you have done that, that positivity will radiate outwards. Remember ... if you focus on the negatives you do nothing but help it and thus become a part of the problem.


Thank you For the Tip, i Am actually trying to Do exactly as you say now , that was such a good point, i am sorry, i do focus allot on the negatives and the UN needed answers, i am at a hard cross road in my life... it
TRULY is  basically a case of so what? And i appreciate and thank you for showing me this......  hopefully the realization of this can help me Focus my energy on myself and once i have done that, that positivity will radiate outwards as you say. Thank you so much... any other ideas on the subject of self improvement / quite contrare, but not unexpected.. :smirk:... i always find i try to solve all my problems at once, and i guess thats why nothing works... Small steps could-be the key.

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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No need to apologize man. I didn't say you were wrong for thinking that way, cause I have similar internal bouts myself. I wish if I had the answers but I don't. Otherwise, heh, my life would be perfect. But yeah, my advice is like I said above: focus on yourself first. It works.

I hope all the best for you and that you get through your rough patch. Good luck, bro.

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: Ngalyod]
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Thanks heaps bro, seriously!
You are obviously thinking straight.
you've helped me out a good deal by what you said, even if you don't apply that to your own life... I am trying too.
I can choose to believe what i want.
God s  created a wonderful thing here for me in life! i finally realize this is how it is...for me. realizing this helps. now i can respect what I'm given. this beautiful struggle in a beautiful life.
i just have never chosen to embrace/focus my inner energy on myself
rather i think alot of the time in life i choose to  focus it towards other things or on other people, sometimes even negative things. that will have no meaning in terms of my happiness and existence...I'm glad now i realise how I've been throwing away all this good energy... i can really start to live! Thank you for creating light for me in a time of complete darkness... my friend :bowdown:

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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It's cool man.

Let us know how you go.

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Well It's been as easy as taking one step,in a sense, 
although i understand i can't just expect everything to start falling into place overnight. things will start to improve.
I think have to concentrate my inner energy, alot,to a point where im doing it sub-conciously i realise this will be a great struggle, but an awesome thing for me to concentrate on , so i am doing it, at the same time i realise the emmense struggle it will be to change permenently into this train of thought in my darkest hours,
got to start somewhere though aye?,
when i feel my soul radiate now, because i can, instead of getting caught up in the feeling, and confused or whatever it is that i do... i am trying to change and channel this energy radiating into positive thoughts thus, producing positive energy...Been a long time!(can you ever give off to much positive energy?)i guess the answer is no......!!!
Why shouldn't i love life?, up untill now, i have been fooling myself about what i am doing here in this life.
Now i have gript myself with the certainty of god, and an ultimate creator,It is time to become a man and live my life accordingly as one of gods creations, i should be able to run around and enjoy life like anyone else. the only thing stoping me has been myself....
I realised i havent been really respecting myself. that was maybe my biggest problem. the lack of respect for this life im in...  so how can one enjoy life and benefit from nature if one isn't willing to wake up and smell the Roses? i guess you  can, but to me now ive awoken it kind of feels like i have just been living a lie......!!!
Don't want to be to harsh on myself... but i have really taken a long time to change my ways and im glad i have now  :crazy2: :thumbup: :mushroom2:

Edited by Horseonsandhill (06/26/06 08:05 AM)

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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Horseonsandhill said:
how can something synthetic ever be as good as something natural...


Why wouldn't it be?


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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: Silversoul]
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i thought maybe it wouldn't be as good, because for instance, God didn't create Acid did he?
we just perceived we had the understanding to be able to create it. where did it originate from?... Cactus, mushrooms, and actual natural creations...
categorizing things as good and bad is irrelevant , i tend to do0 this alot ,sorry if i misinformed... we are all trying...

we developed acid it therefore it is synthetic existence and not exactly like the substances that are naturally existing, for it is an emulation of them and therefor cannot exist as them... things that were all ready around us naturally are not synthetic! As we do exist don;t we? So one could say some synthetic things exist as creation of man without the possibility of producing naturally desired effects, if to be used naturally as they should or could be used, It could be of great benefit to alot of misguided dellusional people. However,
unless people are ready and willing to accept things as they see them, or change themselves in any way, they may be blocking/stopping channeling positive change and energy,
an incredible thing.

in this society, that continues to mislead us about ourselves our personal beings and origin.
drugs are certainly conveyed wrongly and unjust and life doesn't clearly state what they can do to us or educate us about them in anyway... 'If we, everyone! got taught to respect ourselves from a young age instead of say going to school, we would be alot better off by the time say we might hit high school. Because one can marvel at the true wonders of the universe, going through life thinking it is not an ultimate creation, for as long as it takes , to realise that they were not even aware of there inner being and so were you marveling at anything wonderful at all?, Yes everything will seem marvelous and wonderous when one is positve, and in tune with what is inside them and around them, essentialy the same things. why can't some people turn on the light? , i have taken to blaming myself, and the society of ABUSE... wohoo

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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Well, like Neo from The Matrix, it sounds like you've taken 'The Red Pill.'
Happy Trails to you!


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (08/04/06 06:24 PM)

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: ]
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Horseonsandhill said:
i thought maybe it wouldn't be as good, because for instance, God didn't create Acid did he?


Sure he did. We are as much a part of God as the earth is.


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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: Silversoul]
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Anyone who claims to be enlightened and thinks they are special is completely missing the point. There is no special or elite because everyone is the same. There is only you (not some personal you, not some bigger and better enlightened you, just the silence of no-thing). It is just a difference of priorities and mannerisms. Enlightenment has nothing to do with being better than everyone. It is just letting yourself be whatever it is that you are in its entirety, and surrendering to that.

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Re: Enlightenment smacks of elitism or does it [Re: thatiAM]
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tool :tongue:

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