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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5662365 - 05/22/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ohhh I'm not supposed to challenge beliefs in this forum :frown:

well I'm asking for help really in understanding how you understand this.

I believe in the capacity for Christ consciousness yielding mass planetary evloution akin to "second coming" and I want that to happen....

but at the same time this 2012 stuff seems to be forming an intricate dogma and it's hard to take a lot of this stuff seriously ....

so I'm just posing many questions. You aren't right or wrong unless you are right or wrong. I can't say so myself having only limited at best access to frequencies of love and higher vibration.

So ... are you guys believing this... or are you KNOWING this? because there is a big big distinction.

and the last thing we need is people sitting around being completely inactive because they think they are about to ascend.... while on the other hand the world runs amok and out of control by the powers that be.

It has to be REAL. Even if it isn't real, it's best to disengage from the political world and the ills of society and be a hippy sitting around...

but you shouldn't sitting around hoping on hopes and dreams.

So I ask... elaborate if you can... I have a critical mind:

you guys are wacked up on too many  mushrooms!

I don't know ..... I think it makes sense...... but at the same time it's complete loonery. The basic idea..... people are evolving.... critical mass yields mass salvation for those that want it but weren't strong enough to do it on their own.

That makes sense.

Comparing to the teachings of Christ. Oh that does make sense, yes.

Aliens? Pleidians? Things which we cannot touch, taste, see or smell that are interacting with our planet and are SENTIENT? I don't know.... not at all.

And you say.... you say that doesn't matter if you know. They're just trying to help us enlighten... and I say of course that makes sense.... that makes good sense.
But isnt' that dogma?

I say....... karma is real. And you say no it isn't, how can it be? So I explain it by creating a circle of beliefs around you and you say "ah yes, with these beliefs that you give me, I see how karma is real within the context of those beliefs."

Karma is not karma.

Karma is --------------->

and it doesn't have "karma" attached to it. It just is.

But as soon as you call it karma dogma starts, and then circular arguments exist. Arguments like, how is the Bible real? Well because people connected to the Holy Spirit wrote it. And if that's true then the Bible is real. But then it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

So aren't all things real?

So you have this Trinity. Christ says go within. People went within. When they went within they wrote these books. So these books help you guide yourself to Christ. Of course it makes sense.

But somewhere along the line just one thing has to be assume true, and becuase it's an assumption, it means you don't know.

Even the most truest staple of all religion... that DIVINE exists.... is an assumption on my part. I have some experience oh yes I do... with drugs oh yes I do. With yoga oh yes I do. With  meditation oh yes I do. With love oh yes I do.

But ..... then you can wrap a million and one words around it... and have 52 different religions. And aren't they saying the same things? But they kind of aren't.

Because I'll tell you... I've gone into Buddhism. It's very good to me....for me. But I will tell you... from a Buddhist... these Pleiades are devas... they are not permanent enlightened beings. They are just as ignorant as we are..... they are not free from suffering or samsara...... and trusting them ... is not the best way to go.

And from a Buddhist... you don't want to become a deva... screw that... you don't want what 2012 has to offer UNLESS it is complete and total eternal release from any and all forms of suffering..... nirvana. It is not about becoming Gods. Because yes you can become Gods... just like you can be a God that becomes an animal or a hell being.

Who cares about that then? it's best not even to become one, but to stay human until you are FREE.

So ....

so many many conflicts arise.

What does Christ have to offer? Was he a completely enlightened being, free forever from samsara, realzied in nirvana? Then Christ, please please come, and 2012 is a timely arrival point for you.... Godspeed....

but is this all tomfoolery?

I do not deny. Ascention into higher consciousness is what this planet NEEDS but further from that, we need nirvana. We need light. We need pure..... upward ascension.

No going back down, ever. No returning to humanity... ever. No going to hell... ever. To animal realms... ever.

It can't just be a stay in IGNORANT BLISS forever until you suddenly run out of good karma and fall apart.

It needs to be what the Christians promise... eternal life. Eternal life through inner God realized.... through connection reopened.... through Father, spirit, Holy Ghost.
Chi. Human. Human teacher.

Complete freedom.

and I will take a ride on pure light, and pure love. I just hope that that is what it is... there is nothing more to it than complete and total liberation into nirvana..... but of course.

this is a dogma too.... the Buddhists oculd have it a bit wrong, or they could be speaking in metaphor... and us Americans are devas and those poor starving children are hell beings. That is what makes most sense to me.

But do you see where I'm going?

The only way to tap in is to stop all the dogma.... and this.... these beings... these greys... these astral planes. It's kooky dogma! Maybe it's true but how can we buy into it?

It's easier to buy into 2012 for me and Christ consciousness than it is all this stuff... you guys seem a bit loony!

And I say that with peace and maybe small portions of love because it's all fine and I hope your best intentions are right....... it does make sense.

But doesn't everything make sense? that is what I'm asking.


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: leery11]
    #5662614 - 05/23/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

in the science of reason and spirit there is much need for us to undergo new rights of passage to help us develop the skills of thinking with the heart. This is where space dragon takes serious advantage of skeptical thinking-- there is no wrong answer you can give to make his argument infallible, even you fuckers in the peanut gallery are invited to the cosmic party... but pouting won't help, so listen here, my fine chums.

we are in the midst of relocating our central axis of thinking, from physical 3D material lusts to desires of things more suitable to feed the creative spirit (obviously the chrians are going to push the art and writing and the music to get through to every one....teachers of subtle thinking......tell-a-path...... so get used to a more introvert awareness. I don't mind people posing the good old fashion, not-awe argument, it's classic, i mean really, i do..... but there definitely are things that we can view as truth and applicable to everyone. Like this whole multi dimensionality thing, or the hero artist able to dissect drama with surgical precision, or perhaps giving sexual favors to yourself as a reward-- push your skills to the front of the line, so shine on. Most of us really like that fucking feeling.


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: leery11]
    #5662991 - 05/23/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Leery,

If we are to have a respectful discussion, you have to quit with the "you guys" stuff. :wink: We are individuals here with our very own interpetations and experiences.  :smile:Nobody here at the shroomery is speaking for me on the pleiadians or anything else for that matter.

I'm not a drug user and am not whacked out on shrooms. Anything I have talked about experiencing of an esoteric nature, has all happened as naturally as a sneeze.



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ohhh I'm not supposed to challenge beliefs in this forum :frown:




Why feel the need to do that when you can ask questions and learn more instead? Why feel you have to do that when you can let ones writings stand for themselves, and just add your own views to it?

Subjective experiences have no objective physical proof or evidence. Take them as that or leave them at that. :shrug:


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well I'm asking for help really in understanding how you understand this.




Understand what?


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I believe in the capacity for Christ consciousness yielding mass planetary evloution akin to "second coming" and I want that to happen....

but at the same time this 2012 stuff seems to be forming an intricate dogma and it's hard to take a lot of this stuff seriously ....




I don't know exactly what or who you are reffering too about it. I havn't even said anything about 2012 in this post. It's a date on the calender to me just like todays date is. Nothing more or less. Regarding taking things seriously, tThe cosmic joke dictates it best that we don't.  :smirk:



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So ... are you guys believing this... or are you KNOWING this? because there is a big big distinction.




Knowing or believing in what? You jumped from pleiadians, to Christ consciousness to 2012 and who all are you even asking anything of when you say "you guys"? :confused:

In short

Pleiadians? Know them like the back of my hand and as well as I know myself I can say.

Christ consciousness? It's just being in the consciousness of compassion and non judgment. Know what that state is like to be in? Yes. Any body can be in that state if they give into it. Do I beleive, the man Jesus is coming back? NO.

2012? End of the Mayan Calendar Cycle to me. Means nothing much to me.

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and the last thing we need is people sitting around being completely inactive because they think they are about to ascend.... while on the other hand the world runs amok and out of control by the powers that be.




Many sit around inactive, watching TV and eating cheetoos, who can care less about spiritual ascension/incension in the physical and or power mongering control freaks running amok. What's the difference?  Inactive and uncaring is inactive and uncaring. Doesn't mater what excuse people give for it. People sitting around waiting for a Calavary to come (which won't), to help them with their problems and gripes are just lazy people to me.

I do find it ironic that people known at the shroomery for making statements to wake people up to the control mongers running amok, are some of the same ones, you said you can't take seriously and must be whacked out on shrooms. They are actively asking people to take another look at whats going on and to wake up in awareness to it.

Pause and reflect on your own words and actions in this thread that are not helping the cause you seem to care about. Read through space dragons thread. Its packed with dirt on the power mongers. Read some of docs posts in PAL. He tells you first hand from his dads friends how corrupt the governemnt is. They both are giving people heads up about whats running amok under our noses.

They have their own way ofdoing it and sometimes, use fear as a motivator. I prefer to use love as one myself. If you get people to do something out of fear, what have learned? They are still being pawned.

When you can inspire people to act out of a love and respect for the self and all of life, then, something good just happened.




We've got 4 kinds of people in the world right now.

Those who don't have a clue about what is going on behind the scenes or choose to ignore the view as in "ignorance is their bliss and free choice".

Those who looked at it and called it BS.

Those that do see more and are scared shitless, feeling unempowered and or are beleiving and waiting for Jesus or the ETs coming to save the day, (they must be the ones you were talking about)or, are fighting like mad in any way they can and get called mad crazy for it too.

And-

Those who know how to rise above fear. They may be a little more difficult to understand. They see whats going on, even behind the scene of the scene. You have to rise above fear before you see behind screen number 2. There is much constructive and positive activity taking place there and they are very aware of what's going on. They have to abide by laws regarding how they act, lest they get themselves sucked into the muck.

If someone shoots your friend dead and you shoot them dead, all you have now is two people dead and one dying a slower death. It's not the way to end the conflict and restore peace (inner or outer). They are taking self supportive action, and are acting in forgiveness and are acting by making choices to live in peace, no matter what runs amok around them.

They may also look inactive and without care to you, and yet thats not the case. They are actively taking care and its the only action that will bring a soul up and out of the mess, and that will carve maps to show others looking for a way out of it.

There is something else sometimes even more difficult to understand here Leery. There are just as many looking for a way deeper into the muck. The reasons are many. Interfere with their free will choice to go there and see what comes of it for yourself. I will tell you now what you will see if you think thats the way. You will see, that you have become just another control monger, violating the soveriegn free will of others, who is running amok.


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It has to be REAL. Even if it isn't real, it's best to disengage from the political world and the ills of society and be a hippy sitting around...but you shouldn't sitting around hoping on hopes and dreams.




I choose not to and choose to empower myself to make happen what I want to happen in my life. Tell others what they should or should not be doing and you are attempting to be a control monger running amok. Take it to the level of using, force, fear or indimidation and you are no better then those you wish to protect them from.


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I don't know ..... I think it makes sense...... but at the same time it's complete loonery. The basic idea..... people are evolving.... critical mass yields mass salvation for those that want it but weren't strong enough to do it on their own.

That makes sense.

Comparing to the teachings of Christ. Oh that does make sense, yes.





With a certain mindset, anything can start to look looney. Just stare at a banana for a while.

Evolution isn't an idea. It's happening and we have physical proof of that.

Regarding the critical mass stuff related to spiritual evolution, I'll share my current understandings of it. Criticle mass would be , enough souls connected to earths grid who have attained "christ consciousness, lotus consciousness, Bhudha consciousness, cosmic consciousness, whatever you want to call it, that the wieght of the volume has enough mass to pull, things into it. 

You see it as their being able to pull in those who wanted to go there but were too weak to do it on their own. I can see that, HOWEVER, they will get pulled along easily, if they are not holding onto anything to tightly. Those holding on tightly to old world ways and material values may not be so easily effected by the pull, if at all and it's their choice not to be.

The thing is, the new grid (set up by very active caring people you aren't aware of) has been set up and those shifting consciousness into it, are being supported in a heaven on earth reality here by it. It contiues to get further energized to strengthen the support coming from it. The old grid has been dismantled ( by those who have been active caring people) and those choosing to hold on to old world ways, will not be so easily supported now as they once were. They will self destruct more quickly as a result is all. Look at what happened to Enron, Saddem, even Bush's current ratings.

Be patient and watch as it all crumbles in due time.

It's not that these two worlds are physically dividing. You could be in your own heaven on earth while holding hands with someone in their own hell on earth. Same space physically, different space vibrationally and consciously. The split is on the subtle planes and though those in more harmonious realities can see what is going in the hellish ones, the ones in the hellish ones can't see the heavenly ones.

They are yet the ones who see no hope for this planet, and nothing but il will in everyone. There is much good will in people and there is quite a thriving, compassionate and peaceful new world taking shape and form all around them. They can't see it for some reason.


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Aliens? Pleidians? Things which we cannot touch, taste, see or smell that are interacting with our planet and are SENTIENT? I don't know.... not at all. And you say.... you say that doesn't matter if you know. They're just trying to help us enlighten... and I say of course that makes sense.... that makes good sense.
But isnt' that dogma?




No one said you had to know anything about them. May I say, you are looking at that from a very 3-D 5 physical sensy view. They can touch you on the subtle level alright and you can feel them. And some of them feel so good to feel. WOW! They all also have a frequency signature that like the scent of a flower, helps you to feel out who.

Please clarify on what you see as dogma for me. They aren't trying to help humans enlighten in the traditional sense. They don't know how to do that, the ones who would care to. They are counting on us to figure that out. They are helping themselves. We are them and they us.

The races out there have been at war with each other for eons. One empire and some sub sets under its rule have been out raping and pillaging other star systems and taking control over them while others with the Federation have been warring in defence or launching counter attacks. The carnage and losses from both sides became so grave, they both realized, they were destined to destroy each other if they didn't and couldn't find a way to co-exist peacfully.

So the elders of both sides of the galactic wars came up with a plan, launched here on this gem of a planet. They took the primitive life forms here and all added their own DNA and created genetic blends. (Even some unfair foul play went on with that, but not enough to thwart the over all plan) By infusing the best and worst of them into ONE being, they are counting on that ONE being finding the way to resolve its own inner conflict, to create a map for them to follow, to resolve their conflicts. MANY souls incarnated now are the souls of the warring ETs.


Humans are helping them out, to save their existances and futures, not the other way around. We are an experiment, made of them, meant to help them. 

The interesting thing is, though so many of their souls have descended into human forms here, they are now soverign human beings, and they can, liberate themselves from any race they came from, and they are now influcened, by the genes of all of the other races they were at war with.

Some are finding out what it feels like to feel compassion through the human body and experience for the first time since they left Source. Some are finding out what it feels like, to experience separation from source and the fear and anger that comes with for the first time EVER, and or what it feels like to feel superior or inferior to another being.

Through us, each side is getting to understand the other as themselves. There are volumes of books that can be written on all of this. The Galactic History behind us is HUGE. I chose to touch on this part of it to address your dogma question about beleifs about their being here to save us. :rofl2:

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I say....... karma is real. And you say no it isn't, how can it be? So I explain it by creating a circle of beliefs around you and you say "ah yes, with these beliefs that you give me, I see how karma is real within the context of those beliefs."

Karma is not karma.

Karma is --------------->

and it doesn't have "karma" attached to it. It just is.

But as soon as you call it karma dogma starts, and then circular arguments exist. Arguments like, how is the Bible real? Well because people connected to the Holy Spirit wrote it. And if that's true then the Bible is real. But then it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

So aren't all things real?

So you have this Trinity. Christ says go within. People went within. When they went within they wrote these books. So these books help you guide yourself to Christ. Of course it makes sense.

But somewhere along the line just one thing has to be assume true, and becuase it's an assumption, it means you don't know.

Even the most truest staple of all religion... that DIVINE exists.... is an assumption on my part. I have some experience oh yes I do... with drugs oh yes I do. With yoga oh yes I do. With  meditation oh yes I do. With love oh yes I do.

But ..... then you can wrap a million and one words around it... and have 52 different religions. And aren't they saying the same things? But they kind of aren't.

Because I'll tell you... I've gone into Buddhism. It's very good to me....for me. But I will tell you... from a Buddhist... these Pleiades are devas... they are not permanent enlightened beings. They are just as ignorant as we are..... they are not free from suffering or samsara...... and trusting them ... is not the best way to go. And from a Buddhist... you don't want to become a deva... screw that... you don't want what 2012 has to offer UNLESS it is complete and total eternal release from any and all forms of suffering..... nirvana. It is not about becoming Gods. Because yes you can become Gods... just like you can be a God that becomes an animal or a hell being.
Who cares about that then? it's best not even to become one, but to stay human until you are FREE.





Woah! :cool: That was neat to stumble upon after what I just shared. Blow the trumpets! See, look how much you know without knowing. :smile:

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So ....

so many many conflicts arise.




Yes, yes they do.


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What does Christ have to offer? Was he a completely enlightened being, free forever from samsara, realzied in nirvana? Then Christ, please please come, and 2012 is a timely arrival point for you.... Godspeed....

but is this all tomfoolery?

I do not deny. Ascention into higher consciousness is what this planet NEEDS but further from that, we need nirvana. We need light. We need pure..... upward ascension.

No going back down, ever. No returning to humanity... ever. No going to hell... ever. To animal realms... ever.

It can't just be a stay in IGNORANT BLISS forever until you suddenly run out of good karma and fall apart.

It needs to be what the Christians promise... eternal life. Eternal life through inner God realized.... through connection reopened.... through Father, spirit, Holy Ghost.
Chi. Human. Human teacher.

Complete freedom.

and I will take a ride on pure light, and pure love. I just hope that that is what it is... there is nothing more to it than complete and total liberation into nirvana..... but of course.

this is a dogma too.... the Buddhists oculd have it a bit wrong, or they could be speaking in metaphor... and us Americans are devas and those poor starving children are hell beings. That is what makes most sense to me.

But do you see where I'm going?

The only way to tap in is to stop all the dogma.... and this.... these beings... these greys... these astral planes. It's kooky dogma! Maybe it's true but how can we buy into it?

It's easier to buy into 2012 for me and Christ consciousness than it is all this stuff... you guys seem a bit loony!

And I say that with peace and maybe small portions of love because it's all fine and I hope your best intentions are right....... it does make sense.

But doesn't everything make sense? that is what I'm asking.





With enough information, one can make sense of anything. Where you see yourself as buying into stuff or not, I just gather information and some helps to make more sense of things. Some just raises more questions. Some doesn't fit into any of the puzzles I have been working on at all.

Regarding the P's, They are a HUGE collective with many facets of them, living in many different vibrations, dimensions, universes, serving in many different ways and depending on what point in time you catch them at or they are coming from, or what vibration they are at, will depend on what view you get from them or of them. The ones I had been communicating with years ago, are in our very distant future, who made it because, we did here on earth.

Peace does get restored through out the cosmos because it does here! :thumbup:

The ones I re-hooked up with, DO by all means, encourage us to embrace our humanity and not look to them as anything bu spiritual equals, and to become Free and soverign in our Divinity and Oneness with Source and creation. Because they respect our free will, they are not going to tell me or you or anyone, what to do with it.

Do what feels right for you leery. Everyone is finding their own way, in their own way. How nice that we can share these ways we are finding that work for us, with each other as well, along the way.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5663043 - 05/23/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Great insights jiggy, thanks :smile:

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: MAIA]
    #5664005 - 05/23/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks jiggy.

My post was inane because my views are very limited. You've given me some clarity so that's good. It all seems rather hard to swallow though. I was also joking about the mushrooms.

"Woah! That was neat to stumble upon after what I just shared. Blow the trumpets! See, look how much you know without knowing. "

No! That's what I was saying from the Buddhist perspective. I was saying that all perspectives say different things and who is one to even begin to understand the context of that which is "real" ?

This is where my mind is right now and that's what I've been reading. That's a Buddhist frame of reference.

I think to me, none of this matters at all.

Only one piece of this puzzle is important for me... that is universal compassion and love as an altered state of mind to reside in.

How do you reach it?


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: leery11]
    #5665612 - 05/23/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How do you reach it?

Well, I would start by saying, it isn't really something that is reached. It is more like something that is given into. That's what it feels like when I go into it.

I haven't done that in quite a while either. It's such an ethereal energy that doesn't mesh well with the material world ways. I stayed in it mostly when my daughter was young. What a beautiful energy to raise a child in. She did become very soft and sensitive herself and  that always didn't serve her when she was away from me. I pulled back from it a bit to help her toughen up a bit.

To be in it, I would just invite and welcome the Christ energy into my heart and let go of everything else. You start to feel rushes of warmth, and these other senses start to heighten, that change your view on everything.

The soul well being of others becomes the most important thing to you, none of this other stuff matters. A great feeling of sensitivity to others feelings develops

Everything is seen to require a VERY gentle approach and handling. It so sooooooffttt.

Self importance goes out the window. A care and concern for the general well being of everyone around you runs deep.

Condemning judgment isn't possible in it. That doesn't mean, you do not see clearly the harmful intentions of others. It just means that an understanding of its source and forgiveness for all others do overwhelms anything else.

It's a place that is easily amused into joyful playfulness. Its very child like, easily able to be in the awe and wonder of creation itself.

Ever moment feels so new and innocent within it.

It's a very beautiful place to be and you can be in different intensity levels of it. It's not always a very practical place to be in this world.

Most won't appreciate it in you. They will see it as a weakness to take advantage of you with. :sad:

So I save it for my daughter and the children mostly. It's a no wonder Jesus preferred to be in the company of children. They adored his softness and ability tolerate to the eyes they see the world trough. Adults in this world can be so harsh, abrasive and cutting edge sharp to the souls of others.

Children are so open and sensitive, before they become calloused by such adults.


Relax, let go and invite and welcome the Christ energy in. As you start to feel it, give into more, like a sinking into something feeling. Pull it into you more and more as you start feeling it. It feels like a release of sorts as orgasmic like waves of energy roll through you. It's so warm and intoxicating. Let go and give into it.

Thats what I do when I wanna be in it.

:peace: :heart:


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