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pleiadians
    #5648762 - 05/19/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

pleiadians are a race of beings that are pure energy.

I have spent much time with pleiadians and they are very close to my heart. They spread incredibly good vibes to those who come to visit them. They are good teachers, because they teach with fun games.

However, I feel that they are too manipulative, dishonest tricksters, and frequently greedy fascists.

if it were up to them, the whole universe would be centered in the pleiades forever. This will never happen.

The pleiadian system is a good place to visit, and I reccomend it as a good vacation spot for weary travellers. But be careful not to get sucked into that sweet nexus, for it may cost you dearly.

One of the reasons I care about Earth so much is that it is a common ancestor to all known forms of life in the universe except the pleiades and Sirius. If the earth were to be destroyed at this point in history, many forms of life all over the universe would perish in many ways.

So to the pleiadian agenda, I say: Don't go too far! Respect the balance. Keep the school of earth open, for many of its students are not advanced enough to abandon their studies here.

Remember that Earth sends you, the plieadian system, good vibes and many souls. Don't cash out your investment just yet, for you will lose much in the long run if you do.


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pleiadians [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5648948 - 05/19/06 02:29 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, in response to your statement ..The Pleiadian Archangel Tribes of the Light in a sense ARE the center of the 10 dimensional Galactic, planar symphony. And since they have also used the Mayan Calender to reach an
Apothesis of Love your Davidic King Adam feels that's fine for being the center of our attention for 2000 more years. The whole armageddon thing was short cicuited in 1987 with the Harmonic Convergence event (the Pleiadians like to call it the Harmonic Emergence and that's fine with me.)










Between now and 2013 a minimum - but not limited to - 144,000 humans must become enlightened and embody Christ consciousness. When this critical mass of awakened beings is reached, it will be the "Second Coming of Christ en mass." At that time, a vibrational wave of enlightenment energy will move through the entire planet Earth and its population, eradicating the lower-astral thoughtforms and realms, and dissolving the veils that separate humans from their own inner experience of divine essence and truth. The entire population of Earth will feel this enlightenment wave as it penetrates all of existence on the planet. Planetary enlightenment and the inherent soul purpose of spiritual evolution will be activated at that time.









If the Lyrans, Annunaki, Lucifer, members of the Dark Brotherhood, and humans who have aligned with darkness choose spiritual surrender at that time, they will simply join the planetary ascension and be released from the past. Those who do not choose the Light will experience the destruction of the planet and will find themselves in a galactic recovery center, so to speak. They will be given opportunities for evolution and divine enlightenment, but not forced. If they request freedom to explore darkness after a certain amount of time, they will be sent to another galaxy in which that option still exists.

Even if something as extreme as a planetary explosion were to occur around that time, the Christed Beings would simply move into their ascension bodies and take the rest of Earth's newly awakened people with them. When the critical mass of 144,000 is reached, the impact of these Christed Beings on the rest of the people will be so powerful that each of them will have the ability to pull 144,000 other humans into the higher planes of consciousness. In other words, 144,000 Christed ones will create a quantum leap for 20,736,000,000 humans.


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    #5648958 - 05/19/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: spacedragon]
    #5648995 - 05/19/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

THERE WILL BE NO ULTIMATE ERRADICATION OF LOWER ASTRAL LEVELS.  GET THAT THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

thank you

:smile:

sorry, but limiting the future of Earth's output to 144,000 souls is ummmm  I dunno, kind of FASCIST AND BIGOTED.  Who are you, the space Hitler?  I've dealt with your kind before, you have no chance. 


and what of those who have achieved christ consciousness but do not wish to join your society?  Do they have the option to stay in the lower levels?  Obviously not, since you are claiming the lower levels will be destroyed. 

Let me make myself absolutely clear:

NOTHING IS EVER DESTROYED. 


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: spacedragon]
    #5649095 - 05/19/06 04:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Billy Meier's contacts are probably fake. Channeling is complete bullshite. It is unfortunate something as significant as alien contact is being disregarded due to disinformation and scams involving channeling. The bentwaters incident holds more weight than Pleiadian experiences. How would an alien civilization have any idea what we name our stars? Who says ET speaks English?


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Re: pleiadians [Re: spacedragon]
    #5649526 - 05/19/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Between now and 2013 a minimum - but not limited to - 144,000 humans must become enlightened and embody Christ consciousness. When this critical mass of awakened beings is reached, it will be the "Second Coming of Christ en mass."




That is not true. I wish it was true but its not. The second coming happens under another circumstances.


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Re: pleiadians *DELETED* [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5654622 - 05/20/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: pleiadians [Re: KDR]
    #5654751 - 05/20/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Meier insists the beings he met up with are called plejarians and say anything calling itself a pleiadian is NOT, of the plejarian race he met up with. I never heard of them and I'll rattle off the names of more races out there than anyone here. I think his story is a hoax, or if real, he met up with some clown galactic posers.

Fine by me.

I could've told anyone he didn't meet up with the pleiadians, like he says he didn't.

The pleiadians evolved beyond the need for external technology and metallic craft to travel in long ago. They can travel interstellarly with their own light bodies if they want too.

To my knowledge, they have only communicated with humans through telepathy in recent times and some have showed up as orbs of light that look sort of like my sig picture. Other then that, the only way you will meet up with one any time soon, is if one incarnated into human form or walked into one, who's soul was checking out of one.

They don;t want to scare anyone or damage anyones nervous systems so they prefer to use deniable contact for now.

One correction. Some did manifest in their human like forms back when Eisenhower was approached by the greys to sign a treaty with the Draconian Federation. The Pleadians asked them to reconsider and said, they would offer their help for the good will of all if they declined the greys offer.

The greys offered to help further the power of government to help them stay in power and to give them some advanced technology ( which is being used for ulterior motives and we havn't even become privy of it yet) . Our government chose to help themselves and not the rest of us and signed a treaty with the greys.

I don't agree with some of things doc is saying about the pleiadians either. He's entitled to his opinions and to speak his mind though.

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PLEIADIANS [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5654883 - 05/20/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The fourth dimension (where the Draconian lizards attempt to mind-control us) looks like a murky canopy over individuals, cities, cultures, and countries. This is astral energy that resembles gooey frogs' eggs; healers can often see it with their clients. These canopies are constantly bombarded by waves of energy and light from the higher five dimensions. When higher-dimensional energy rushes into the curved 4D canopy; it acts as a lense that splits thought into two possibilities - positive or negative, good or evil, black or white, right or wrong, and so on, in the consciousness of a human.

When people express only one side or the other of an issue, their minds split, making them unconscious. The 4D-splitting dynamic exists so that electromagnetic (EM) fields can form in 3D, where 2D magnetism arrives in the curved crust of Earth and responds to 4D electricity in the atmosphere. Without this dynamic, things would not solidify into vibrating EM fields in 3D, and this EM dynamic effects our consciousness, since most people can feel this astral force.

Astral Influences are nothing more than the desires of other humans to invade our minds. Very often, issues that present themselves in our minds are collective. We may or may not realize that millions of other people are processing the same thoughts. Meanwhile, others seek to understand both sides and become conscious.

What do you do when life is difficult? You could call for help, but that is not always reliable. Sooner or later, life will catch you with no one around.

You might be without food or shelter during a time of natural disaster. You might be alone at a time when help cannot come quickly enough. You may even suffer the tragedy of having all your friends abandon you. That is why those who follow Tao emphasize the importance of having many abilities. If you have the self-reliance that comes with having many skills, you will not lose your equanimity. This cannot be emphasized enough. You cannot truly walk the whole path of Tao until you can cope with any unknown.

People say that those who follow Tao are serene, but that serenity is not because of some meditative trancelike state. It comes from the confidence of one who has ability.


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PLEIADIANS [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5654937 - 05/20/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

In other words, 144,000 Christed ones will create a quantum leap for 20,736,000,000 humans.

I'm not talking about some cult but a divine number of Humans pulling over 20 billion humans with them. There's a lot of zeros at the end there but I felt secure that you guys could do the math.



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    #5654970 - 05/20/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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PLEIADIANS [Re: KDR]
    #5654995 - 05/20/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I feel what's important is to be grounded and stable in 3D; and ready to receive messages from higher-dimensional intelligences. Also, the medulla oblongata is very instrumental in helping Humans to project their wishes (like a movie screen) to the Gods of the Imaginal Realm or other extra-dimensional Archons
(Greek for "Rulers").








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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: KDR]
    #5656645 - 05/21/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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So those of you who have had contact with the pleiadians, did they contact you personally?

Do you have to put yourself in a certain mindset to communicate with these beings or do they contact you at their own will regardless of your state of mind?

If I personally wanted to communicate with the pleiadians how would I go about doing it? Meditation? astral projection?




Why do you want to communicate with them?

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Re: pleiadians [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5659056 - 05/22/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I just communicated with something. I cannot be positive whether it was pleiadians or something else. Although I imagined it to be pleiadians while it was happening. It was for personal help. Nothing which I would talk about on here. The telepathic response was instantaneous. I'm a very 'mental' person and telepathy came easy. Although for all I know, I wasn't communicating with any entity but myself.


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Re: pleiadians [Re: stantonfreedom]
    #5659082 - 05/22/06 02:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

pleiadians always make themselves known to me with good, intoxicating vibes and the laughter of small children.


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PLEIADIANS [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5659159 - 05/22/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Our world is changing because the Galactic Federation has direct access to us now; because a significant number of us want to function in higher orders. Also, communication with Orion (the home of the Galactic Federation and the Keepers of the eighth dimension) became easier when our Earth's sun entered the photon belt a few years back).

Stars can be very helpful for communicating
(including telepathic communication) with distant star systems.

Now, two operative worlds exist right in 3D:
(and what each individual contributes is of cosmic significance.)

(1) Those who are working with the Galactic Federation to transmute Earth's biology are experiencing Earth's ascension -- nine dimensions opening simultaneously in 3D.

(2)Those who do not cherish life are experiencing the Apocalypse described by Saint John of Patmos in Revelation.


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    #5659600 - 05/22/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5659863 - 05/22/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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sorry, but limiting the future of Earth's output to 144,000 souls is ummmm I dunno, kind of FASCIST AND BIGOTED. Who are you, the space Hitler? I've dealt with your kind before, you have no chance.




Lol, a "Hitler" like this one on your sig ?

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Many are called, but few are chosen. -Jesus




Coherency, anyone ? :rolleyes:

Anyway, PLEASE Doc, take it easy ...

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: KDR]
    #5660131 - 05/22/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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I have no reason to doubt that people have contact with aliens as they say they do.




You do have a reason to doubt.

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I have never seen anything to make me a believer.




If you need personal proof to make you a believer then, do you really believe anyone else who is talking about them?

I'm putting myself in your shoes, to feel out where you are , to help you find your way, to where this curiousity is calling you to. You're in a proverbial box right now. There are doorways all throughout the walls of the box, but only you can open them.  How can one even see the doors when they believe there is no reason for a door to even be there, because they have no reason to believe there is nothing beyond the wall for a door to open up too?

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I have never seen anything to make me a believer.




That reads like a brick wall. Of course you havn't seen anything because its all on the other side of the wall.

Doors and windows. Locks and keys.

People I know who have been in communication with them just always Knew, they were there. They themselves just always knew, they weren't from here either and felt very extra terrestrial to this planet themselves as kids. The stories for how the communication came to be are ones that would not sound like an intentional event. They would sound like something that just happened through a process of playing connect the dots until the picture appeared.

The clestials don't interact with humans to entertain curiosity seekers looking for proof of their existence. If they cared about that, they would have made themselves physically evident for all to know of them.

That said, lets start from here. Lets say, you had your personal experience that is more then enough evidence and verification to you of their presence and existence. Now you KNOW for yourself without any doubt. NOW WHAT?

Think about it, deeply. What would your next line of questions be? And while in your deep thought and contemplation, think back to any time when you were a kid, where you may have found yourself looking at the world and tinking "the wars, human suffering, people in poverity" makes no sense. If you ever did, start resonating with that person who saw that. He holds a key to one of the door locks.

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: MAIA]
    #5660403 - 05/22/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Those two passages you quoted Maia, do lead to a lot of dissonance in people because they both imply that someone or something else is putting limits on people here.

The 144,000 has to with the petals of the Lotus flower symbolic of the flowering (openning) of full consciousness. Anyone can blossom the mind open. It's a symbolic number related to opening up the mind to a fuller state of consciousness. Anyone is free to decide for themselves how much of their own minds they want to open up too.

And that Jesus quote just serves to confuse people.

In actuality, All are called, few will choose.

If you feel called to the gates of heaven on earth, its your choice and yours alone to enter through them or not. Jesus was just being honest realizing that, though people say they want it, they can't let go of the material attachments that keep them bound to hell on earth. 

If one is to interpret it that Spirit Source/ The Divine is doing the choosing, then one must realize that it is the Divine within that does the calling and the Divine within that will enter. If one is not in tune with the Divine within, tey will not hear the call home. If one is not yet realized within thier divinity, they will not feel worthy of entering.

Can't = Choose Again Not Too.

BTW doc, in all fairness, In SD's other thread, he said it was a minimum number of people required to reach critical mass. He said, more then that can attain Lotus consciousness.

Freedom itself is not something we choose. The ability to freely choose is our freedom in itself.

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5662365 - 05/22/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ohhh I'm not supposed to challenge beliefs in this forum :frown:

well I'm asking for help really in understanding how you understand this.

I believe in the capacity for Christ consciousness yielding mass planetary evloution akin to "second coming" and I want that to happen....

but at the same time this 2012 stuff seems to be forming an intricate dogma and it's hard to take a lot of this stuff seriously ....

so I'm just posing many questions. You aren't right or wrong unless you are right or wrong. I can't say so myself having only limited at best access to frequencies of love and higher vibration.

So ... are you guys believing this... or are you KNOWING this? because there is a big big distinction.

and the last thing we need is people sitting around being completely inactive because they think they are about to ascend.... while on the other hand the world runs amok and out of control by the powers that be.

It has to be REAL. Even if it isn't real, it's best to disengage from the political world and the ills of society and be a hippy sitting around...

but you shouldn't sitting around hoping on hopes and dreams.

So I ask... elaborate if you can... I have a critical mind:

you guys are wacked up on too many  mushrooms!

I don't know ..... I think it makes sense...... but at the same time it's complete loonery. The basic idea..... people are evolving.... critical mass yields mass salvation for those that want it but weren't strong enough to do it on their own.

That makes sense.

Comparing to the teachings of Christ. Oh that does make sense, yes.

Aliens? Pleidians? Things which we cannot touch, taste, see or smell that are interacting with our planet and are SENTIENT? I don't know.... not at all.

And you say.... you say that doesn't matter if you know. They're just trying to help us enlighten... and I say of course that makes sense.... that makes good sense.
But isnt' that dogma?

I say....... karma is real. And you say no it isn't, how can it be? So I explain it by creating a circle of beliefs around you and you say "ah yes, with these beliefs that you give me, I see how karma is real within the context of those beliefs."

Karma is not karma.

Karma is --------------->

and it doesn't have "karma" attached to it. It just is.

But as soon as you call it karma dogma starts, and then circular arguments exist. Arguments like, how is the Bible real? Well because people connected to the Holy Spirit wrote it. And if that's true then the Bible is real. But then it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

So aren't all things real?

So you have this Trinity. Christ says go within. People went within. When they went within they wrote these books. So these books help you guide yourself to Christ. Of course it makes sense.

But somewhere along the line just one thing has to be assume true, and becuase it's an assumption, it means you don't know.

Even the most truest staple of all religion... that DIVINE exists.... is an assumption on my part. I have some experience oh yes I do... with drugs oh yes I do. With yoga oh yes I do. With  meditation oh yes I do. With love oh yes I do.

But ..... then you can wrap a million and one words around it... and have 52 different religions. And aren't they saying the same things? But they kind of aren't.

Because I'll tell you... I've gone into Buddhism. It's very good to me....for me. But I will tell you... from a Buddhist... these Pleiades are devas... they are not permanent enlightened beings. They are just as ignorant as we are..... they are not free from suffering or samsara...... and trusting them ... is not the best way to go.

And from a Buddhist... you don't want to become a deva... screw that... you don't want what 2012 has to offer UNLESS it is complete and total eternal release from any and all forms of suffering..... nirvana. It is not about becoming Gods. Because yes you can become Gods... just like you can be a God that becomes an animal or a hell being.

Who cares about that then? it's best not even to become one, but to stay human until you are FREE.

So ....

so many many conflicts arise.

What does Christ have to offer? Was he a completely enlightened being, free forever from samsara, realzied in nirvana? Then Christ, please please come, and 2012 is a timely arrival point for you.... Godspeed....

but is this all tomfoolery?

I do not deny. Ascention into higher consciousness is what this planet NEEDS but further from that, we need nirvana. We need light. We need pure..... upward ascension.

No going back down, ever. No returning to humanity... ever. No going to hell... ever. To animal realms... ever.

It can't just be a stay in IGNORANT BLISS forever until you suddenly run out of good karma and fall apart.

It needs to be what the Christians promise... eternal life. Eternal life through inner God realized.... through connection reopened.... through Father, spirit, Holy Ghost.
Chi. Human. Human teacher.

Complete freedom.

and I will take a ride on pure light, and pure love. I just hope that that is what it is... there is nothing more to it than complete and total liberation into nirvana..... but of course.

this is a dogma too.... the Buddhists oculd have it a bit wrong, or they could be speaking in metaphor... and us Americans are devas and those poor starving children are hell beings. That is what makes most sense to me.

But do you see where I'm going?

The only way to tap in is to stop all the dogma.... and this.... these beings... these greys... these astral planes. It's kooky dogma! Maybe it's true but how can we buy into it?

It's easier to buy into 2012 for me and Christ consciousness than it is all this stuff... you guys seem a bit loony!

And I say that with peace and maybe small portions of love because it's all fine and I hope your best intentions are right....... it does make sense.

But doesn't everything make sense? that is what I'm asking.


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: leery11]
    #5662614 - 05/23/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

in the science of reason and spirit there is much need for us to undergo new rights of passage to help us develop the skills of thinking with the heart. This is where space dragon takes serious advantage of skeptical thinking-- there is no wrong answer you can give to make his argument infallible, even you fuckers in the peanut gallery are invited to the cosmic party... but pouting won't help, so listen here, my fine chums.

we are in the midst of relocating our central axis of thinking, from physical 3D material lusts to desires of things more suitable to feed the creative spirit (obviously the chrians are going to push the art and writing and the music to get through to every one....teachers of subtle thinking......tell-a-path...... so get used to a more introvert awareness. I don't mind people posing the good old fashion, not-awe argument, it's classic, i mean really, i do..... but there definitely are things that we can view as truth and applicable to everyone. Like this whole multi dimensionality thing, or the hero artist able to dissect drama with surgical precision, or perhaps giving sexual favors to yourself as a reward-- push your skills to the front of the line, so shine on. Most of us really like that fucking feeling.


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: leery11]
    #5662991 - 05/23/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Leery,

If we are to have a respectful discussion, you have to quit with the "you guys" stuff. :wink: We are individuals here with our very own interpetations and experiences.  :smile:Nobody here at the shroomery is speaking for me on the pleiadians or anything else for that matter.

I'm not a drug user and am not whacked out on shrooms. Anything I have talked about experiencing of an esoteric nature, has all happened as naturally as a sneeze.



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ohhh I'm not supposed to challenge beliefs in this forum :frown:




Why feel the need to do that when you can ask questions and learn more instead? Why feel you have to do that when you can let ones writings stand for themselves, and just add your own views to it?

Subjective experiences have no objective physical proof or evidence. Take them as that or leave them at that. :shrug:


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well I'm asking for help really in understanding how you understand this.




Understand what?


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I believe in the capacity for Christ consciousness yielding mass planetary evloution akin to "second coming" and I want that to happen....

but at the same time this 2012 stuff seems to be forming an intricate dogma and it's hard to take a lot of this stuff seriously ....




I don't know exactly what or who you are reffering too about it. I havn't even said anything about 2012 in this post. It's a date on the calender to me just like todays date is. Nothing more or less. Regarding taking things seriously, tThe cosmic joke dictates it best that we don't.  :smirk:



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So ... are you guys believing this... or are you KNOWING this? because there is a big big distinction.




Knowing or believing in what? You jumped from pleiadians, to Christ consciousness to 2012 and who all are you even asking anything of when you say "you guys"? :confused:

In short

Pleiadians? Know them like the back of my hand and as well as I know myself I can say.

Christ consciousness? It's just being in the consciousness of compassion and non judgment. Know what that state is like to be in? Yes. Any body can be in that state if they give into it. Do I beleive, the man Jesus is coming back? NO.

2012? End of the Mayan Calendar Cycle to me. Means nothing much to me.

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and the last thing we need is people sitting around being completely inactive because they think they are about to ascend.... while on the other hand the world runs amok and out of control by the powers that be.




Many sit around inactive, watching TV and eating cheetoos, who can care less about spiritual ascension/incension in the physical and or power mongering control freaks running amok. What's the difference?  Inactive and uncaring is inactive and uncaring. Doesn't mater what excuse people give for it. People sitting around waiting for a Calavary to come (which won't), to help them with their problems and gripes are just lazy people to me.

I do find it ironic that people known at the shroomery for making statements to wake people up to the control mongers running amok, are some of the same ones, you said you can't take seriously and must be whacked out on shrooms. They are actively asking people to take another look at whats going on and to wake up in awareness to it.

Pause and reflect on your own words and actions in this thread that are not helping the cause you seem to care about. Read through space dragons thread. Its packed with dirt on the power mongers. Read some of docs posts in PAL. He tells you first hand from his dads friends how corrupt the governemnt is. They both are giving people heads up about whats running amok under our noses.

They have their own way ofdoing it and sometimes, use fear as a motivator. I prefer to use love as one myself. If you get people to do something out of fear, what have learned? They are still being pawned.

When you can inspire people to act out of a love and respect for the self and all of life, then, something good just happened.




We've got 4 kinds of people in the world right now.

Those who don't have a clue about what is going on behind the scenes or choose to ignore the view as in "ignorance is their bliss and free choice".

Those who looked at it and called it BS.

Those that do see more and are scared shitless, feeling unempowered and or are beleiving and waiting for Jesus or the ETs coming to save the day, (they must be the ones you were talking about)or, are fighting like mad in any way they can and get called mad crazy for it too.

And-

Those who know how to rise above fear. They may be a little more difficult to understand. They see whats going on, even behind the scene of the scene. You have to rise above fear before you see behind screen number 2. There is much constructive and positive activity taking place there and they are very aware of what's going on. They have to abide by laws regarding how they act, lest they get themselves sucked into the muck.

If someone shoots your friend dead and you shoot them dead, all you have now is two people dead and one dying a slower death. It's not the way to end the conflict and restore peace (inner or outer). They are taking self supportive action, and are acting in forgiveness and are acting by making choices to live in peace, no matter what runs amok around them.

They may also look inactive and without care to you, and yet thats not the case. They are actively taking care and its the only action that will bring a soul up and out of the mess, and that will carve maps to show others looking for a way out of it.

There is something else sometimes even more difficult to understand here Leery. There are just as many looking for a way deeper into the muck. The reasons are many. Interfere with their free will choice to go there and see what comes of it for yourself. I will tell you now what you will see if you think thats the way. You will see, that you have become just another control monger, violating the soveriegn free will of others, who is running amok.


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It has to be REAL. Even if it isn't real, it's best to disengage from the political world and the ills of society and be a hippy sitting around...but you shouldn't sitting around hoping on hopes and dreams.




I choose not to and choose to empower myself to make happen what I want to happen in my life. Tell others what they should or should not be doing and you are attempting to be a control monger running amok. Take it to the level of using, force, fear or indimidation and you are no better then those you wish to protect them from.


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I don't know ..... I think it makes sense...... but at the same time it's complete loonery. The basic idea..... people are evolving.... critical mass yields mass salvation for those that want it but weren't strong enough to do it on their own.

That makes sense.

Comparing to the teachings of Christ. Oh that does make sense, yes.





With a certain mindset, anything can start to look looney. Just stare at a banana for a while.

Evolution isn't an idea. It's happening and we have physical proof of that.

Regarding the critical mass stuff related to spiritual evolution, I'll share my current understandings of it. Criticle mass would be , enough souls connected to earths grid who have attained "christ consciousness, lotus consciousness, Bhudha consciousness, cosmic consciousness, whatever you want to call it, that the wieght of the volume has enough mass to pull, things into it. 

You see it as their being able to pull in those who wanted to go there but were too weak to do it on their own. I can see that, HOWEVER, they will get pulled along easily, if they are not holding onto anything to tightly. Those holding on tightly to old world ways and material values may not be so easily effected by the pull, if at all and it's their choice not to be.

The thing is, the new grid (set up by very active caring people you aren't aware of) has been set up and those shifting consciousness into it, are being supported in a heaven on earth reality here by it. It contiues to get further energized to strengthen the support coming from it. The old grid has been dismantled ( by those who have been active caring people) and those choosing to hold on to old world ways, will not be so easily supported now as they once were. They will self destruct more quickly as a result is all. Look at what happened to Enron, Saddem, even Bush's current ratings.

Be patient and watch as it all crumbles in due time.

It's not that these two worlds are physically dividing. You could be in your own heaven on earth while holding hands with someone in their own hell on earth. Same space physically, different space vibrationally and consciously. The split is on the subtle planes and though those in more harmonious realities can see what is going in the hellish ones, the ones in the hellish ones can't see the heavenly ones.

They are yet the ones who see no hope for this planet, and nothing but il will in everyone. There is much good will in people and there is quite a thriving, compassionate and peaceful new world taking shape and form all around them. They can't see it for some reason.


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Aliens? Pleidians? Things which we cannot touch, taste, see or smell that are interacting with our planet and are SENTIENT? I don't know.... not at all. And you say.... you say that doesn't matter if you know. They're just trying to help us enlighten... and I say of course that makes sense.... that makes good sense.
But isnt' that dogma?




No one said you had to know anything about them. May I say, you are looking at that from a very 3-D 5 physical sensy view. They can touch you on the subtle level alright and you can feel them. And some of them feel so good to feel. WOW! They all also have a frequency signature that like the scent of a flower, helps you to feel out who.

Please clarify on what you see as dogma for me. They aren't trying to help humans enlighten in the traditional sense. They don't know how to do that, the ones who would care to. They are counting on us to figure that out. They are helping themselves. We are them and they us.

The races out there have been at war with each other for eons. One empire and some sub sets under its rule have been out raping and pillaging other star systems and taking control over them while others with the Federation have been warring in defence or launching counter attacks. The carnage and losses from both sides became so grave, they both realized, they were destined to destroy each other if they didn't and couldn't find a way to co-exist peacfully.

So the elders of both sides of the galactic wars came up with a plan, launched here on this gem of a planet. They took the primitive life forms here and all added their own DNA and created genetic blends. (Even some unfair foul play went on with that, but not enough to thwart the over all plan) By infusing the best and worst of them into ONE being, they are counting on that ONE being finding the way to resolve its own inner conflict, to create a map for them to follow, to resolve their conflicts. MANY souls incarnated now are the souls of the warring ETs.


Humans are helping them out, to save their existances and futures, not the other way around. We are an experiment, made of them, meant to help them. 

The interesting thing is, though so many of their souls have descended into human forms here, they are now soverign human beings, and they can, liberate themselves from any race they came from, and they are now influcened, by the genes of all of the other races they were at war with.

Some are finding out what it feels like to feel compassion through the human body and experience for the first time since they left Source. Some are finding out what it feels like, to experience separation from source and the fear and anger that comes with for the first time EVER, and or what it feels like to feel superior or inferior to another being.

Through us, each side is getting to understand the other as themselves. There are volumes of books that can be written on all of this. The Galactic History behind us is HUGE. I chose to touch on this part of it to address your dogma question about beleifs about their being here to save us. :rofl2:

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I say....... karma is real. And you say no it isn't, how can it be? So I explain it by creating a circle of beliefs around you and you say "ah yes, with these beliefs that you give me, I see how karma is real within the context of those beliefs."

Karma is not karma.

Karma is --------------->

and it doesn't have "karma" attached to it. It just is.

But as soon as you call it karma dogma starts, and then circular arguments exist. Arguments like, how is the Bible real? Well because people connected to the Holy Spirit wrote it. And if that's true then the Bible is real. But then it's a self-fullfilling prophecy.

So aren't all things real?

So you have this Trinity. Christ says go within. People went within. When they went within they wrote these books. So these books help you guide yourself to Christ. Of course it makes sense.

But somewhere along the line just one thing has to be assume true, and becuase it's an assumption, it means you don't know.

Even the most truest staple of all religion... that DIVINE exists.... is an assumption on my part. I have some experience oh yes I do... with drugs oh yes I do. With yoga oh yes I do. With  meditation oh yes I do. With love oh yes I do.

But ..... then you can wrap a million and one words around it... and have 52 different religions. And aren't they saying the same things? But they kind of aren't.

Because I'll tell you... I've gone into Buddhism. It's very good to me....for me. But I will tell you... from a Buddhist... these Pleiades are devas... they are not permanent enlightened beings. They are just as ignorant as we are..... they are not free from suffering or samsara...... and trusting them ... is not the best way to go. And from a Buddhist... you don't want to become a deva... screw that... you don't want what 2012 has to offer UNLESS it is complete and total eternal release from any and all forms of suffering..... nirvana. It is not about becoming Gods. Because yes you can become Gods... just like you can be a God that becomes an animal or a hell being.
Who cares about that then? it's best not even to become one, but to stay human until you are FREE.





Woah! :cool: That was neat to stumble upon after what I just shared. Blow the trumpets! See, look how much you know without knowing. :smile:

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So ....

so many many conflicts arise.




Yes, yes they do.


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What does Christ have to offer? Was he a completely enlightened being, free forever from samsara, realzied in nirvana? Then Christ, please please come, and 2012 is a timely arrival point for you.... Godspeed....

but is this all tomfoolery?

I do not deny. Ascention into higher consciousness is what this planet NEEDS but further from that, we need nirvana. We need light. We need pure..... upward ascension.

No going back down, ever. No returning to humanity... ever. No going to hell... ever. To animal realms... ever.

It can't just be a stay in IGNORANT BLISS forever until you suddenly run out of good karma and fall apart.

It needs to be what the Christians promise... eternal life. Eternal life through inner God realized.... through connection reopened.... through Father, spirit, Holy Ghost.
Chi. Human. Human teacher.

Complete freedom.

and I will take a ride on pure light, and pure love. I just hope that that is what it is... there is nothing more to it than complete and total liberation into nirvana..... but of course.

this is a dogma too.... the Buddhists oculd have it a bit wrong, or they could be speaking in metaphor... and us Americans are devas and those poor starving children are hell beings. That is what makes most sense to me.

But do you see where I'm going?

The only way to tap in is to stop all the dogma.... and this.... these beings... these greys... these astral planes. It's kooky dogma! Maybe it's true but how can we buy into it?

It's easier to buy into 2012 for me and Christ consciousness than it is all this stuff... you guys seem a bit loony!

And I say that with peace and maybe small portions of love because it's all fine and I hope your best intentions are right....... it does make sense.

But doesn't everything make sense? that is what I'm asking.





With enough information, one can make sense of anything. Where you see yourself as buying into stuff or not, I just gather information and some helps to make more sense of things. Some just raises more questions. Some doesn't fit into any of the puzzles I have been working on at all.

Regarding the P's, They are a HUGE collective with many facets of them, living in many different vibrations, dimensions, universes, serving in many different ways and depending on what point in time you catch them at or they are coming from, or what vibration they are at, will depend on what view you get from them or of them. The ones I had been communicating with years ago, are in our very distant future, who made it because, we did here on earth.

Peace does get restored through out the cosmos because it does here! :thumbup:

The ones I re-hooked up with, DO by all means, encourage us to embrace our humanity and not look to them as anything bu spiritual equals, and to become Free and soverign in our Divinity and Oneness with Source and creation. Because they respect our free will, they are not going to tell me or you or anyone, what to do with it.

Do what feels right for you leery. Everyone is finding their own way, in their own way. How nice that we can share these ways we are finding that work for us, with each other as well, along the way.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5663043 - 05/23/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Great insights jiggy, thanks :smile:

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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: MAIA]
    #5664005 - 05/23/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks jiggy.

My post was inane because my views are very limited. You've given me some clarity so that's good. It all seems rather hard to swallow though. I was also joking about the mushrooms.

"Woah! That was neat to stumble upon after what I just shared. Blow the trumpets! See, look how much you know without knowing. "

No! That's what I was saying from the Buddhist perspective. I was saying that all perspectives say different things and who is one to even begin to understand the context of that which is "real" ?

This is where my mind is right now and that's what I've been reading. That's a Buddhist frame of reference.

I think to me, none of this matters at all.

Only one piece of this puzzle is important for me... that is universal compassion and love as an altered state of mind to reside in.

How do you reach it?


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: PLEIADIANS [Re: leery11]
    #5665612 - 05/23/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

How do you reach it?

Well, I would start by saying, it isn't really something that is reached. It is more like something that is given into. That's what it feels like when I go into it.

I haven't done that in quite a while either. It's such an ethereal energy that doesn't mesh well with the material world ways. I stayed in it mostly when my daughter was young. What a beautiful energy to raise a child in. She did become very soft and sensitive herself and  that always didn't serve her when she was away from me. I pulled back from it a bit to help her toughen up a bit.

To be in it, I would just invite and welcome the Christ energy into my heart and let go of everything else. You start to feel rushes of warmth, and these other senses start to heighten, that change your view on everything.

The soul well being of others becomes the most important thing to you, none of this other stuff matters. A great feeling of sensitivity to others feelings develops

Everything is seen to require a VERY gentle approach and handling. It so sooooooffttt.

Self importance goes out the window. A care and concern for the general well being of everyone around you runs deep.

Condemning judgment isn't possible in it. That doesn't mean, you do not see clearly the harmful intentions of others. It just means that an understanding of its source and forgiveness for all others do overwhelms anything else.

It's a place that is easily amused into joyful playfulness. Its very child like, easily able to be in the awe and wonder of creation itself.

Ever moment feels so new and innocent within it.

It's a very beautiful place to be and you can be in different intensity levels of it. It's not always a very practical place to be in this world.

Most won't appreciate it in you. They will see it as a weakness to take advantage of you with. :sad:

So I save it for my daughter and the children mostly. It's a no wonder Jesus preferred to be in the company of children. They adored his softness and ability tolerate to the eyes they see the world trough. Adults in this world can be so harsh, abrasive and cutting edge sharp to the souls of others.

Children are so open and sensitive, before they become calloused by such adults.


Relax, let go and invite and welcome the Christ energy in. As you start to feel it, give into more, like a sinking into something feeling. Pull it into you more and more as you start feeling it. It feels like a release of sorts as orgasmic like waves of energy roll through you. It's so warm and intoxicating. Let go and give into it.

Thats what I do when I wanna be in it.

:peace: :heart:


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