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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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What is a warrior?
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This describes much of it to me. It's from Castaneda's final book.

"The most accurate statement about what a nagual is, which he voiced that day I found him, was that a nagual is empty, and that that emptiness doesn't reflect the world, but reflects infinity.
Nothing could have been more true than this in reference to don Juan Matus. His emptiness reflected infinity. There was no boisterousness on his part, or assertions about the self. There was not a speck of a need to have either grievances or remorse. His was the emptiness of a warrior-traveler, seasoned to the point where he doesn't take anything for granted. A warrior-traveler who doesn't underestimate or overestimate anything. A quiet, disciplined fighter whose elegance is so extreme that no one, no matter how hard they try to look, will ever find the seam where all that complexity has come together."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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Have you read up on any Aikido Philosophy? Its a non violent defence martial art, The Way of Harmony.  They work with the warrior archetype too. The similarity to that emptiness in your quote would be, that it allows for the harmony of the surrounding universe, what Castaneda calls infinity I guess, to be felt, and then one can better stay within the tune of harmony.

I haven't gotten to far into studying it yet, though, just skimming it and, I really like its philosophy, which can be applied to life in general and not just when under attack.

One cool thing about it in actual physical non violent defence is that , these guys are trained, to help the attacker, fall down, so gracefully, they do not get hurt and actually find it a pleasant experience. They also somehow, help to move the attacker back into harmony and their attackers aggression against them just ceases.

What a beautiful art form it is.

It's almost hard to believe. I want to learn more about it.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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a warrior-traveler? hmm

could also be a old ex-soldier with a beer belly, bad case of PTSS, a cigarette in his mouth traveling around in a trailer-truck and listening to Merle Haggard looking to shoot some ex-hippies


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

Edited by OldWoodSpecter (06/08/06 03:22 PM)

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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I don't feel that this is something that can be defined since we are all of infinite potential. One cannot define the infinite.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Thats how aikido philosophy seems to see it. You can only experience it by being in harmony with it.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I don't feel that this is something that can be defined since we are all of infinite potential. One cannot define the infinite.


"There was not a speck of a need to have either grievances or remorse."

"A quiet, disciplined fighter whose elegance is so extreme"

This is definition enough for me.^^^


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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I've read about sofs, soldiers of fortune, their like mercenaries but are more employed with actual wars, their training so elite they can defeat any conventional solider with ease, they often take the losing side not for any cause other than some type payment. They have been employed for small operations such as Cuba, or panama. There training includes things like, interrogating, radiation shock, gas, radio transmitters, different fighting styles, sniper training, hand to hand combat, everything to be the ultimate warrior

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: capliberty]
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:rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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That's a very nice quote and all, my only qualm is with the idea of being a warrior. Being a warrior implies that you are at war with something, but war only intensifies feelings of division between people and things and ideas.

In Castaneda's terminology, the warrior is someone who lives up to most of their human potential. Instead of calling such a person a 'warrior', I would just call them a true 'human being' living in harmony with the energy of the Earth :thumbup:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What is a warrior? *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
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Re: What is a warrior? *DELETED* [Re: dblaney]
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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: dorkus]
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dr_mandelbrot said:
I like fool.


:thumbup: :laugh:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: dorkus]
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Indeed.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
One cool thing about it in actual physical non violent defence is that , these guys are trained, to help the attacker, fall down, so gracefully, they do not get hurt and actually find it a pleasant experience. They also somehow, help to move the attacker back into harmony and their attackers aggression against them just ceases.

What a beautiful art form it is.

It's almost hard to believe. I want to learn more about it.


Taking into careful consideration the statement you made that I have in quotations and the "feel" that it had in reading it, I want to learn more about it as well. :thumbup: It inspired a sort of "image" that was emotionally appealing. I must be in one of those moments in which I am more open to the subtle energies.... my formidable mind with all of its architecture is becoming more transparent... but yet still so effective in its purpose... :nut:

*Clicks your thread on the issue* :wink:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: fireworks_god]
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I once saw a film clip with the founder of Akido in center with 8 police officers in circle around with nightsticks who could attack at will. This was the most amazing clip of Martial Arts I have ever seen. He was untouchable and it seemed that I would lose sight of him. Hard to believe. He was a small man as I remember it. It was long ago and seems dreamlike now. Sometimes I can't remember if I actually saw it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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This describes much of it to me. It's from Castaneda's final book."

doesn't sound at all like you ice...I know thats not what you said,

but, its a start.

Why do you want to become a warrior/ traveler? Aren't you that already?

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: capliberty]
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"I've read about sofs, soldiers of fortune, their like mercenaries but are more employed with actual wars, their training so elite they can defeat any conventional solider with ease, they often take the losing side not for any cause other than some type payment. They have been employed for small operations such as Cuba, or panama. There training includes things like, interrogating, radiation shock, gas, radio transmitters, different fighting styles, sniper training, hand to hand combat, everything to be the ultimate warrior"

You are describing a soldier. I have been a soldier, but a soldier is not necessarily a warrior. I suppose one could be, but they are not the same.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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"A quiet, disciplined fighter whose elegance is so extreme"

This is a fine statement, and I like the sentiment, but to ask what makes a warrior is like asking what makes a human being. I like this definition of the hunter/warrior:

"A hunter uses his world sparingly and with tenderness, regardless of whether the world might be things, or plants, or animals, or people, or power. A hunter deals intimately with his world and yet he is inaccessible to that same world."
"That's a contradiction, " I said. "He cannot be inaccessible if he is there in his world, hour after hour, day after day."
"You did not understand, " don Juan said patiently. "He is inaccessible because he's not squeezing his world out of shape. He taps it lightly, stays for as long as he needs to, and then swiftly moves away leaving hardly a mark."

But this is not THE definition, just one description of one aspect of the warrior.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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You are correct Hue, I am steeped in the Castaneda books for many years and have absorbed all the definitions of a warrior according to Don Juan. That statement sums up a mood for me and a feeling about warriors without really giving a definitive description. It was personal. I just felt like sharing it, kind of like a poem to see how others would read and interpret it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
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"The world is a mystery, and it is not at all as you
picture it." --CC


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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